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Weak tea? Partiers fear fallout
Tuesday, March 23, 2010 8:59 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:Ready and eager to transition from opposing health care reform to targeting the members of Congress who made it happen, tea party organizers find themselves grappling instead with reports of ugly behavior at this weekend’s protests in Washington that could stymie efforts to broaden the movement’s appeal. While the thousands of tea partiers who thronged the Capitol grounds on short notice in advance of Sunday’s House health care vote were proof of the movement’s continuing energy, their impact was undercut by accounts of racist and homophobic epithets directed at Democratic lawmakers by a handful of individuals among this weekend’s crowd.Quote:It was a tense scene outside a meeting of Democratic lawmakers as a 100 or so protesters chanted "kill the bill," and one man launching a homophobic slur at Rep. Barney Frank. Frank, who is gay, was leaving the Longworth House Office Building when a man yelled a charged homophobic slur at the Massachusetts lawmaker. When Rep. John Lewis said he was voting for the bill, someone yelled, "Baby killer." Later, House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn said that he heard from Lewis that another protestor later called him the N-word. A Lewis staffer confirmed that Lewis had been the target of that slur. “I heard people saying things today I have not heard since March 15, 1960, when I was marching to try to get off the back of the bus,” Clyburn said, responding to a question about epithets uttered at his colleagues. “It was shocking to me.” A spokesman for Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-Mo.) issued a statement Saturday evening confirming earlier second-hand reports that the Congressman had been spit on, and again equating the health care bill with the civil rights movement: “For many of the members of the CBC, like John Lewis and Emanuel Cleaver who worked in the civil rights movement, and for Mr. Frank who has struggled in the cause of equality, this is not the first time they have been spit on during turbulent times. This afternoon, the Congressman was walking into the Capitol to vote, when one protester spat on him. The Congressman would like to thank the US Capitol Police officer who quickly escorted the other Members and him into the Capitol, and defused the tense situation with professionalism and care. After all the Members were safe, a full report was taken and the matter was handled by the US Capitol Police. The man who spat on the Congressman was arrested, but the Congressman has chosen not to press charges. He has left the matter with the Capitol Police. “This is not the first time the Congressman has been called the "n" word and certainly not the worst assault he has endured in his years fighting for equal rights for all Americans. That being said, he is disappointed that in the 21st century our national discourse has devolved to the point of name calling and spitting. "Our nation has a history of struggling each time we expand rights. Today's protests are no different, but the Congressman believes this is worth fighting for.” http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34747.html Tea party organizers have struggled in recent months to clamp down on fringe elements that have sprung up around — and sometimes within — the movement, including white supremacists and conspiracy theorists who believe that the government played a role in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks (“truthers”) or that President Barack Obama was not born in the United States and is therefore ineligible to be president (“birthers”). Some tea party and GOP leaders quickly denounced the slurs shouted at House Democrats, pointed out they were not representative of most tea partiers and urged protestors to stay focused on the movement’s core issues of limited government and taxation. Others suggested either that reporters and lawmakers had fabricated the incidents, or said the epithets came from tea party opponents who had infiltrated the crowds. Some even demanded apologies from Democrats who they said falsely accused them. Regardless of who yelled what, the reports themselves could be problematic for the tea party movement, said Adam Brandon, a spokesman for FreedomWorks, the small government group that helped organize tea partiers’ congressional office visits last week. “Tattoos last forever,” said Brandon, quoting his boss, FreedomWorks chairman and former House Republican Leader Dick Armey. “If the movement gets tattooed as at all sympathetic to those (racist and homophobic) views, I won’t want to be involved in it anymore. It’s very distracting not only to our side but also to the debate and the country.” House Democrats expressed outrage at the treatment some of them received over the weekend, and signaled they will make it an issue for the tea party movement’s Republican allies. Referring to “this crazy stuff the Republicans are doing here,” House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn (D-S.C.), said GOP leaders “ought to be ashamed of themselves for bringing these people here to Washington, D.C., and they're acting like this.”Quote:After months of struggling to harness the energy of newly engaged tea party activists, the conservative establishment — with critical midterm congressional elections on the horizon — is taking aim for the first time at the movement’s extremist elements. The move has been cast by some conservatives as a modern version of the marginalization of the far-right, anti-communist John Birch Society during the reorganization of the conservative movement spearheaded by William F. Buckley Jr. in the 1960s and 1970s. “A similar effort will be required today of conservative political and intellectual leaders,” former Bush speechwriter Michael Gerson wrote in his column in The Washington Post. “It will not be easy. Sometimes it takes courage to stand before a large crowd and proclaim that two plus two equals four.” I don’t believe we should be giving [extremists] a platform or empowering them to do anything based off their conspiracy theories,” said Ned Ryun, president of American Majority, “because they give the left ammunition to try to define the tea party movement as crazy and fringy.” Until recently, organizers and activists mostly seemed content to ignore, or in some cases tolerate, extremists in their ranks, confident they’d be drowned out by the hundreds of thousands of activists who took to congressional town halls and marches around the country to protest big-spending initiatives pushed by President Barack Obama and the Democratic Congress. But inflammatory rhetoric such as former congressman Tom Tancredo’s racially tinged speech at this month’s tea party convention, reports of the involvement of right-wing militia groups and the continued propagation of conspiracy theories about Obama have sometimes cast the movement in an unfavorable light. “At some point, you have to use the word ‘crazy,’” said Erickson. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0210/33621.html
Quote:It was a tense scene outside a meeting of Democratic lawmakers as a 100 or so protesters chanted "kill the bill," and one man launching a homophobic slur at Rep. Barney Frank. Frank, who is gay, was leaving the Longworth House Office Building when a man yelled a charged homophobic slur at the Massachusetts lawmaker. When Rep. John Lewis said he was voting for the bill, someone yelled, "Baby killer." Later, House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn said that he heard from Lewis that another protestor later called him the N-word. A Lewis staffer confirmed that Lewis had been the target of that slur. “I heard people saying things today I have not heard since March 15, 1960, when I was marching to try to get off the back of the bus,” Clyburn said, responding to a question about epithets uttered at his colleagues. “It was shocking to me.” A spokesman for Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-Mo.) issued a statement Saturday evening confirming earlier second-hand reports that the Congressman had been spit on, and again equating the health care bill with the civil rights movement: “For many of the members of the CBC, like John Lewis and Emanuel Cleaver who worked in the civil rights movement, and for Mr. Frank who has struggled in the cause of equality, this is not the first time they have been spit on during turbulent times. This afternoon, the Congressman was walking into the Capitol to vote, when one protester spat on him. The Congressman would like to thank the US Capitol Police officer who quickly escorted the other Members and him into the Capitol, and defused the tense situation with professionalism and care. After all the Members were safe, a full report was taken and the matter was handled by the US Capitol Police. The man who spat on the Congressman was arrested, but the Congressman has chosen not to press charges. He has left the matter with the Capitol Police. “This is not the first time the Congressman has been called the "n" word and certainly not the worst assault he has endured in his years fighting for equal rights for all Americans. That being said, he is disappointed that in the 21st century our national discourse has devolved to the point of name calling and spitting. "Our nation has a history of struggling each time we expand rights. Today's protests are no different, but the Congressman believes this is worth fighting for.”
Quote:After months of struggling to harness the energy of newly engaged tea party activists, the conservative establishment — with critical midterm congressional elections on the horizon — is taking aim for the first time at the movement’s extremist elements. The move has been cast by some conservatives as a modern version of the marginalization of the far-right, anti-communist John Birch Society during the reorganization of the conservative movement spearheaded by William F. Buckley Jr. in the 1960s and 1970s. “A similar effort will be required today of conservative political and intellectual leaders,” former Bush speechwriter Michael Gerson wrote in his column in The Washington Post. “It will not be easy. Sometimes it takes courage to stand before a large crowd and proclaim that two plus two equals four.” I don’t believe we should be giving [extremists] a platform or empowering them to do anything based off their conspiracy theories,” said Ned Ryun, president of American Majority, “because they give the left ammunition to try to define the tea party movement as crazy and fringy.” Until recently, organizers and activists mostly seemed content to ignore, or in some cases tolerate, extremists in their ranks, confident they’d be drowned out by the hundreds of thousands of activists who took to congressional town halls and marches around the country to protest big-spending initiatives pushed by President Barack Obama and the Democratic Congress. But inflammatory rhetoric such as former congressman Tom Tancredo’s racially tinged speech at this month’s tea party convention, reports of the involvement of right-wing militia groups and the continued propagation of conspiracy theories about Obama have sometimes cast the movement in an unfavorable light. “At some point, you have to use the word ‘crazy,’” said Erickson.
Tuesday, March 23, 2010 10:45 AM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Tuesday, March 23, 2010 11:19 AM
Tuesday, March 23, 2010 11:41 AM
MAL4PREZ
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: And the fact that so far as I've seen and heard, not one single Republican has condemned this behavior, and not one single notable Tea Party activist or leader has condemned this behavior, just makes it so much worse.
Tuesday, March 23, 2010 12:51 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Quote: What they are not owning up to is that they have been actively creating an environment of hate and bitterness that draws these kinds of people
Tuesday, March 23, 2010 1:15 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: The astroturfed claims of racial or homosexual remarks are the best the Left has ? Expected. But when folks ON THE LEFT were openly calling for Bush to be assassinated, what'd we get from the Left ?
Quote: America is self destructing now, and there are those who see the infusion of socialism as an all out attack on the very freedoms on which this nation was founded.
Quote: THAT is the issue that should be in the forefront, not the bad names which one or two ( allegedly ) may have shouted.
Quote: So, Niki, Kwickie, spare us all the feigned indignation and quivering lower lip act, at how in this day and age, ANYONE could resort to such name calling.
Quote: I question whether such events took place, as described, but even if they did...so what ? In light of what's on the horizon, you REALLY think that's a primary issue over which to get all worked up ? Not saying it's nothing, but certainly falls down the list a ways.
Quote: No sir. The blame for that lies SQUARELY on the shoulders of the Leftists - Pelosi, Reid, Biden and Obama. Not the GOP.
Tuesday, March 23, 2010 1:34 PM
Quote: Other protesters quickly admonished the shouter, with one woman yelling back, "We don't need that."
Quote: The attempt “to clean up our own house,” as Erick Erickson, founder of the influential conservative blog RedState, puts it, is necessary “because traditional press outlets have decided to spotlight these fringe elements that get attracted to the movement, and focus on them as if they’re a large part of this tea party movement. And I don’t think they are.” Erickson has advised new tea party organizers on how to avoid affiliations with extremists and this month banned birthers — conservatives who believe that Obama was not born in the United States and is, therefore, ineligible to be president — from his blog. (He has long blacklisted truthers, those who believe that the U.S. government was complicit in the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks — a conspiracy theory with devotees across the political spectrum.) Ryun’s American Majority, a group that trains tea party activists and others around the country, has done much the same thing. Its website has moved to close its sessions to activists who identify themselves with the birther, truther or militia movements or the John Birch Society. The fringe fighters’ methods range from censuring signs at rallies or banishing unruly participants completely to challenging the media’s focus on the fringe and highlighting the movement’s diversity and tolerance.
Quote: Some tea party and GOP leaders quickly denounced the slurs shouted at House Democrats, pointed out they were not representative of most tea partiers and urged protestors to stay focused on the movement’s core issues of limited government and taxation. Others suggested either that reporters and lawmakers had fabricated the incidents, or said the epithets came from tea party opponents who had infiltrated the crowds. Some even demanded apologies from Democrats who they said falsely accused them. Of the reported epithets, she said, “we do not allow that kind of thing to happen within our events because it is wrong and we’re not going to put up with it. I don’t think it’s good for any movement to have reports of crazy people doing things like that. More than the movement, I don’t think it’s good for America for that kind of thing to happen.” Pointing to her group’s denunciation of a self-proclaimed tea party leader photographed with a racist sign, Martin said “if we saw that kind of thing happening, we would kick the people out. We have a history of doing that.” The conservative blogger Glenn Reynolds responded that it was Clyburn who may “owe the tea party protesters an apology” for playing “the bogus racism card.” And Debbie Gunnoe, a tea party organizer from Navarre, Fla., who was in the House gallery for Ryan’s comments called on him to apologize for “making the generalization that a few rogue people are an example of the rest of the” tea party movement and “for calling all tea party people across the United States ‘tea baggers,’ which is a denigrating word with negative connotations. It’s as bad as calling a black person the N-word.” His team urged tea partiers to be respectful, Skoda said, pointing out that immigration reform advocates and anti-war demonstrators rallied near the tea partiers Saturday and suggesting it was “a possibility” that some may “have tried to infiltrate” the tea party crowd to “portray the movement in a negative light.”
Tuesday, March 23, 2010 1:47 PM
Quote:From the article Niki cited: The fringe fighters’ methods range from censuring signs at rallies or banishing unruly participants completely to challenging the media’s focus on the fringe and highlighting the movement’s diversity and tolerance.
Tuesday, March 23, 2010 1:50 PM
Tuesday, March 23, 2010 1:55 PM
Quote:Democrats on Wednesday sharply criticized a Republican National Committee fundraising document that caricatured President Obama as the Joker, while Chairman Michael S. Steele sought to distance himself from it. Also depicted were House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) and Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (Nev.), presented as Cruella de Vil and Scooby-Doo, respectively. The three Democratic leaders were gathered under the heading "The Evil Empire." The cartoonish images were part of a 72-page PowerPoint presentation assembled for potential campaign donors and fundraisers. The document was obtained by Politico after being left at a Florida hotel where the Republicans had gathered Feb. 18. The presentation also outlined how donors will be encouraged to give to Republicans at a time when the party holds neither the White House nor Congress: "Save the country from trending toward Socialism!" It cites "fear" and "extreme negative feelings toward existing administration" as reasons why donors might contribute to the GOP. Said Democratic National Committee spokesman Brad Woodhouse: "If you had any doubt, any doubt whatsoever, that the Republican Party has been taken over by the fear-mongering lunatic fringe, those doubts were erased today." He added, "Republicans across the country have cheered on crowds where these very images appeared." Steele did not attend the presentation in Boca Grande, Fla., and had not been aware of the document, spokesman Doug Heye said. "Fundraising documents are often controversial. Obviously, the chairman disagrees with the language and finds the use of such imagery to be unacceptable," Heye said in a statement. "It will not be used by the Republican National Committee -- in any capacity -- in the future." Raynard Jackson, a GOP activist who has worked to attract blacks and other minority members to the party, was outraged by word of the presentation. "This is just beyond the pale," he said. "And the best we can get is Michael Steele issuing a statement through a spokesman? And they wonder why they can't get minorities, especially black people, involved in the party?"
Quote:The Republican National Committee drew up a memo advising its top-fundraisers how to appeal to potential donors Unfortunately for them, one member left a copy laying around a bar where a Democratic found it and leaked it to Politico. Apparently, the party is under no illusions about what motivates its base.Quote:The small donors who are the targets of direct marketing are described under the heading “Visceral Giving.” Their motivations are listed as “fear;” “Extreme negative feelings toward existing Administration;” and “Reactionary.” Major donors, by contrast, are treated in a column headed “Calculated Giving.” Their motivations include: “Peer to Peer Pressure”; “access”; and “Ego-Driven.”So, let's see, you've got your paranoids, your reactionaries, your corrupt greedheads, your spineless cowards, and your all-around arrogant jerks. What, no category for "racists," "repressed self-hating gays," "the terminally heartless" and "philandering televangelists"? I thought they were going to hit every single Republican stereotype.
Quote:The small donors who are the targets of direct marketing are described under the heading “Visceral Giving.” Their motivations are listed as “fear;” “Extreme negative feelings toward existing Administration;” and “Reactionary.” Major donors, by contrast, are treated in a column headed “Calculated Giving.” Their motivations include: “Peer to Peer Pressure”; “access”; and “Ego-Driven.”
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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 2:49 PM
PIZMOBEACH
... fully loaded, safety off...
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: And this is exactly why I will never, NEVER stand with the tea-baggers. They SAY they're for equality for everybody, but when it comes down to it, the first insults they jump to are racial and homophobic. It broke my heart to see a man who had actually marched to Selma and had the firehoses and police dogs turned on him, called a "nigger" and spat upon by people who supposedly love the "freedom" that he fought for for all people so many years ago. It made me deeply, deeply ashamed of my country and the state of affairs here. And the fact that so far as I've seen and heard, not one single Republican has condemned this behavior, and not one single notable Tea Party activist or leader has condemned this behavior, just makes it so much worse. It's disgusting. It's despicable. It's god damned shameful. Or would be, if these tea-baggers had any sense of shame or decency. Barney Frank was called "faggot" by more than one person as he entered the House chamber to cast his vote. According to him and several others, it was more than a dozen people trying to shout him down. Meanwhile, several Republican lawmakers applauded those actions on the House floor, literally clapping and cheering those doing the shouting. If this is their vision of America, then it damned well deserves to die, and the sooner the better.
Tuesday, March 23, 2010 2:53 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: kwickie - you've lied and misrepresented my views so often, you no longer are due any respect or answer to any question. Until you admit that I never said " I loathed my President because he was black", then you've shown yourself to be utterly disingenuous , a coward and a worthless piece of shit. Whether you childishly take my words out of context, or show that you're [sic] mind is too simple to comprehend any level of context and sarcasm, makes no difference. I never said it. You know it. Apologize or show your complete and total idiocy.
Quote:Posted by AuRaptor on mbd.scout.com forums: I noticed this a while ago about Obama, where he'll come out and say something to the effect that ... " Critics will tell you that my plan is going to ... ', or that " My opponents will say that .... " Yes, they WILL tell you that, and there's a reason....because that's exactly how they see it, and more times than not, youi're critics are correct! It's a tactic of stating the obvious, so much so, that it plays upon a shock value to deliver some sort of message. Like - " Hey... I know what you're saying about, and I'm here to show you how bold I am by putting it right back in your face. " Only with Obama, he can't stop doing it! He did his little stunt again recently, where he commented during the SOTU address, where he said 95% of Americans got a tax cut. Fact was, 95% of Americans didn't get any tax cut, and there was some obvious head turning and open chuckling about that remark from Congress. He gave a one time tax CREDIT, with no reduction in tax rates, for much of the population. Technically speaking, many paid a tiny fraction less in taxes, but that $$ was made up for sticking it to the rich, and on the backs of our children, as part of the Stimulus boondoggle. But to the point, Obama blurts out a strongly held belief or a fact, as if some how putting it out there in any way lessens or debunks the fact. It doesn't, but it sure is a nifty way of trying to control the talking points. I noticed this sort of parlaying when shopping for a car once. I told the "sales manager " that I was just looking around, seeing what is available. He scoffed at me,and in a very matter of fact, cocky tone said ... " You've heard somewhere that if you don't accept the first offer, and to not buy on your first visit, that you'll get a better deal later on, is that right ? " His ploy was to "stun" me into thinking... .wow, he knows my hand....I go no shot at dealing w/ this master mind.....what ever shall I do ? I replied..." Yeah, that's EXACTLY what is going to happen. I'm not buying today, but thanks for your time", smiled, and walked out. I get annoyed when sales weasels do that sort of ..."stuff ". I sort of expect it, but it doesn't mean I have to like it. When my President does that..... it really pi$$es me off. Another reason to loathe this glorified communitiy organizer. That, and of course, because he's black. Source: http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=6&f=2777&t=5627124
Tuesday, March 23, 2010 3:41 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: If this is their vision of America, then it damned well deserves to die, and the sooner the better.
Tuesday, March 23, 2010 3:46 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: By the way, this is one of the Tea Party organizers in his full glory: But yeah, they'd NEVER do anything like that...
Tuesday, March 23, 2010 4:44 PM
Quote: I noticed this a while ago about Obama, where he'll come out and say something to the effect that ... " Critics will tell you that my plan is going to ... ', or that " My opponents will say that .... " Yes, they WILL tell you that, and there's a reason....because that's exactly how they see it, and more times than not, youi're critics are correct! It's a tactic of stating the obvious, so much so, that it plays upon a shock value to deliver some sort of message. Like - " Hey... I know what you're saying about, and I'm here to show you how bold I am by putting it right back in your face. " Only with Obama, he can't stop doing it!
Tuesday, March 23, 2010 4:47 PM
Quote:Until you apologize, you get no answers.
Tuesday, March 23, 2010 4:49 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Quote:Until you apologize, you get no answers. Promise? Why not just admit that you're lying about all of it?
Tuesday, March 23, 2010 5:07 PM
CHRISISALL
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Just don't stalk me anymore, k ?
Tuesday, March 23, 2010 5:14 PM
GINOBIFFARONI
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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 8:08 PM
BIGDAMNNOBODY
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: The funny thing is, Rappy thinks I'm "stalking" him; he never once stopped to consider that maybe, just maybe, someone from that other site despises him enough to pass info along to someone here in order to poison both wells against him...
Tuesday, March 23, 2010 11:33 PM
Quote:Originally posted by chrisisall: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Just don't stalk me anymore, k ? You love it. Just lie back & enjoy it. The laughing Chrisisall
Wednesday, March 24, 2010 1:42 AM
Quote:Originally posted by BigDamnNobody: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: The funny thing is, Rappy thinks I'm "stalking" him; he never once stopped to consider that maybe, just maybe, someone from that other site despises him enough to pass info along to someone here in order to poison both wells against him... And that makes it better how?
Wednesday, March 24, 2010 5:30 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Can you show me where I said one way was "better" than another, or even implied it? I'll wait, but I don't think you can do it.
Wednesday, March 24, 2010 5:58 AM
KPO
Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: The funny thing is, Rappy thinks I'm "stalking" him; he never once stopped to consider that maybe, just maybe, someone from that other site despises him enough to pass info along to someone here in order to poison both wells against him... "I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
Wednesday, March 24, 2010 6:03 AM
Wednesday, March 24, 2010 6:22 AM
Quote:Originally posted by BigDamnNobody: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Can you show me where I said one way was "better" than another, or even implied it? I'll wait, but I don't think you can do it. When called on your "stalkerish" behaviour, you offered that perhaps a member of a different board contacted you with info which you felt necessary to re-post here. Either way it does not paint you in a very good light, IMHO. Please remember that this is real world events discussion, not real world Auraptor discussion. Now I await your response that somehow "Rappy" means nothing to you or that I am just a sock puppet or some such.
Wednesday, March 24, 2010 6:27 AM
Quote:Originally posted by kpo: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: The funny thing is, Rappy thinks I'm "stalking" him; he never once stopped to consider that maybe, just maybe, someone from that other site despises him enough to pass info along to someone here in order to poison both wells against him... "I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions I'd guess rappy was being sarcastic. It's pretty harsh 'poisoning wells' against someone when you're not faithfully quoting them (or in this case giving the benefit of the doubt at least)... You may have made your mind up about rappy but let others do the same themselves... By all means quote him, but don't present what he's said in your own condmening light. Heads should roll
Wednesday, March 24, 2010 6:43 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: I wasn't "called" on "stalkerish behaviour" - I was called a stalker. I offered an alternate take, to which you responded that that wasn't "better" - a claim which you erroneously seem to think I was making.
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Are you now arguing that what someone says or does in one venue should NEVER be brought up to shed light on their attitudes in any other venue or any other aspect of their life? If so, are you willing to apply that to everybody? Or are you okay with "taking things out of context" when it suits your argument?
Wednesday, March 24, 2010 6:48 AM
JONGSSTRAW
Quote:Originally posted by BigDamnNobody: Is that why you are here Kwicko? To assasinate the character of an anonymous on-line poster? Does it really mean so much to you? Do you think you are somehow trying to win the internets? Do you think someone out there is keeping score? If Auraptor is as bad as you seem to think he is, why not let him hang himself? Why the need to try to negatively foment other's opinions of him? Why do you take this so personally?
Wednesday, March 24, 2010 7:42 AM
Quote:Originally posted by BigDamnNobody: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: I wasn't "called" on "stalkerish behaviour" - I was called a stalker. I offered an alternate take, to which you responded that that wasn't "better" - a claim which you erroneously seem to think I was making. If it walks like a stalker, talks like a stalker... Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Are you now arguing that what someone says or does in one venue should NEVER be brought up to shed light on their attitudes in any other venue or any other aspect of their life? If so, are you willing to apply that to everybody? Or are you okay with "taking things out of context" when it suits your argument? Is that why you are here Kwicko? To assasinate the character of an anonymous on-line poster? Does it really mean so much to you? Do you think you are somehow trying to win the internets? Do you think someone out there is keeping score? If Auraptor is as bad as you seem to think he is, why not let him hang himself? Why the need to try to negatively foment other's opinions of him? Why do you take this so personally?
Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:10 AM
Quote:I presented his quote in its entirety, faithfully quoting his entire post. How is that a "condemning light" if it's his own words being used in their fullest context?
Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:38 AM
RUE
I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!
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Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:02 AM
Quote:Originally posted by kpo: Yeah but with a little bit of intelligence you can infer sarcasm. And a little bit of fairness you can give him the benefit of the doubt. Heads should roll
Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:17 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Why do you? As you pointed out, this was supposed to be a real world discussion, not a real Rappy discussion. I can't help but notice that you've posted not one single thing in here about anything BUT Rappy and me and our conflict. Is that because you have nothing on-point to offer? Why take this so personally?
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: You've claimed in the past that often the ONLY reason you'll disagree with me on stuff is because "you rub me the wrong way". So aren't YOU doing to ME what you accuse ME of doing to Rappy? Why aren't you willing to play by the same rules you want others to play by?
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: By the way, aren't you essentially "stalking" me, only to assassinate MY character? What are you trying to do, win the internets or something? Hey, if it creeps like a stalker and sneaks like a stalker...
Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:24 AM
Quote:Originally posted by BigDamnNobody: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Why do you? As you pointed out, this was supposed to be a real world discussion, not a real Rappy discussion. I can't help but notice that you've posted not one single thing in here about anything BUT Rappy and me and our conflict. Is that because you have nothing on-point to offer? Why take this so personally? I'm just responding in kind to your treatment of Auraptor. I mean isn't that your thing? You can dish it out but you can't take it?
Quote: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: You've claimed in the past that often the ONLY reason you'll disagree with me on stuff is because "you rub me the wrong way". So aren't YOU doing to ME what you accuse ME of doing to Rappy? Why aren't you willing to play by the same rules you want others to play by? And around and around we go.
Quote: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: By the way, aren't you essentially "stalking" me, only to assassinate MY character? What are you trying to do, win the internets or something? Hey, if it creeps like a stalker and sneaks like a stalker... ...it must be BigDamnNobody.
Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:49 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Oh, by all means, feel free. Just stop crying about how it's not fair, especially if you're going to behave the same way.
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: ...it must be BigDamnNobody. Fixed that for ya!
Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:17 PM
Quote:Meanwhile, he claims he's only here for and only interested in honest, reasoned, mature debate. Yet for days now, I've been asking, and re-asking, for his specifics on HOW the healthcare reform bill was going to spell the annihilation and doom of the nation; I asked him to point out the specific language, the sections, chapters, clauses, paragraphs, subsections, sentences, and/or WORDS that plainly state what he claims. He's ducked that honest, reasoned, mature question for more than three days now, and says that it's not worth him responding to it. So much for intelligence and fairness...
Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:36 PM
Quote:Originally posted by BigDamnNobody: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Oh, by all means, feel free. Just stop crying about how it's not fair, especially if you're going to behave the same way. Please feel free to show me where I said it's not fair. Go ahead, I'm waiting patiently. Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: ...it must be BigDamnNobody. Fixed that for ya! Try being clever without riffing on someone elses words for a change. See if you can make your point without parroting back someone's thoughts. Go ahead, I'm waiting patiently.
Wednesday, March 24, 2010 7:19 PM
Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:26 PM
Quote:Originally posted by kpo: I'm not going to defend his debating form, I think it's bad, but with the personal stuff consider burying the hatchet
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