Yet More Death Threats Against Democrats - Including One From John Boehner! by Kwicko

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Funny, I am reminded at this time of some commentary of mine from circa 2006 about how I wouldn't mind seeing the GOP labeled a terrorist organization and obliterated accordingly...

Seems they're hell bent on makin it happen, dunnit ?

Happens from both ends of the spectrum.

Seems a couple thousand folks, some with sticks and stones, showed up to assault Ann Coulter in Canada (likely because the've heard that words would not hurt her). Senator McCain's Presidential Election offices in several states were vandalized prior to the election (locally we had an elderly Democratic poll worker assault an elderly Republican poll worker when voting residents at a nursing home). Senator Bunning (R, KY) recieved threats for opposing the extension of unemployment benefits a couple weeks ago. Etc.

So, both sides.

Its not right for anyone to threaten or assault people they disagree with (except PirateNews). I oppose the Democratic Health Care reform act as much as anyone, but I'd as gladly prosecute someone for threatening them as I would someone threatening anyone (again, except PN, who I would prosecute for assaulting someone's fist with his face, not to mention completely understand should he accidently 'fall down' or 'run into a door' while arguing a speeding ticket with a member of Her Majaesty's Death Squad Highway Nazi Patrol).

You think Limbaugh and Beck don't get threats? Everybody gets threats, hell I get threats. You don't see us crying to the press about it like little bitches.

I note for the record that while there is proof that threats and vandalism have occurred, the political affiliation of the suspects is unknown. For example, Congressman Stupak (D, MI) released recordings of threats made against him, but not the phone records to prove when those recordings were made. Up until Sunday he was on the other sides 'hit list'.

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 4:05 AM

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I would hate to see what the Tea Buggers would do if it had been a truly great piece of legislation - probably call in air strikes.

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 6:27 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Ah, Mike...watching Maddow last night, were we? Damn, I had all that stuff written down to bring here, and you beat me to it...fink!

But luckily for me, you missed some (hee, hee, hee):

There's the GOP website, which has Pelosi's face in front of a backround of flames, with "fire her". Michael Steele remarked of it that she'd better get ready for "the firing line".

There's a protest sign out there: "If Brown won't do it, a Browning will".

Steve Dreahaus, the guy who they've promised to protest against in his home Sunday, says the police have taken to driving by regularly and parking a cruiser outside his home periodically. His wife won't let the kids answer the phone anymore nor walk down the street alone.

The Congressional police have had meetings with both sides about security, and supposedly there was a "bipartisan" meeting on same...about which the Repubs were silent, only the Dems mentioned it at all.

Michelle Bachman, predictably, is right in the middle of the fray. "Thomas Jefferson said a revolution now and again is a good thing. We are at the beginning of a rebellion. I want all the people of Minnesota armed and dangerous. Thake them out; take them down; there will be a reckoning."

Brasso of Wyoming put out a piece asking why a Congressman who voted for the bill had his brother just appointed to the court, indicating some kind of corruption--but the guy hadn't voted for the bill. His staff said he "misspoke".

Politicians know words send messages; their actions and words can incite a bell that they might not be able to "unring", I can't figure out whether they're too caught up in all this too, or they just don't care. Because it can turn on them just as quickly as the Dems; the anger at Congress in general is pretty heated out here.

Yet they're not even trying, really. Oh, yeah, Behner The Orange "decried it", by saying essentially that there's a lot of angry people out there because of the "Democrats' totalitarian tactics" and the "bought votes of a corrupt Congress"...oh, yeah, and by the way, "threats and violence are not acceptable".

Cantor: No one condones that kind of behavior"...strong words, don'tcha think?

There was supposedly a ruckus in the House while the bill passage was going on. Some people up in the balcony started heckling; pages went down to usher them out. There was a scuffle, and what did the Republicans do? Stand up, turn around, look up at the skirmish, and ROOT ON THE DISRUPTERS! Big help.

What else were they doing while the vote was going on and the ugly protests were taking place outside? A bunch of them standing on the balcony of the House, holding up some of the banners they'd been given by the protesters! Way to help tone things down, guys.

They SHUT DOWN THE COMMITTEES yesterday and the day before. Apparently committees meet by unanimous consent. At 11:00 a.m., they announced that "one of the members on our side of the aisle" had voice opposition, so that shut EVERYTHING down! There were committees meeting on important topics, like one on homeless vets, one on our military policy toward North Korea (which had flown to witnesses in from Korea and Hawaii, who couldn't testify as a result), a meeting to decide contrastors to train the Afghan military was another; the causes of and dealing with forest fires; transparency in government; the Child Nutrition Act and school breakfast programs. They won't say WHO has objected, of course, just "one of our members". They just stopped the House cold.

I assume everyone caught John McCain stating that he won't do anything for the rest of the year...except collect his salary, of course. He's apparently still stung from losing the election--almost two years ago now--and quite willing to stop doing his job in a REAL "I'm taking my ball and going home" move! Like he even needs the salary...the least he could do was forfeit it, if he's not going to do any legislating!

That's just a taste, and it doesn't bode well for our government. It was bad enough before, but what they're fomenting now--and they know exactly what they're doing--is what our founding fathers would surely view as insurrection and contributing to terrorism.

Yeah, it happens on both sides. But this is concentrated, this is getting worse, and nothing even slightly like this was allowed to happen when Dumbya was in power. If it were just letting off steam or reasonable protesting, I wouldn't care. But this? No.

"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 6:27 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Suddenly, that little memo that Napolitano released about "right-wing extremists" being a danger to the country starts to seem so quaint in its underestimation of the real danger of the nutback whackjob fascists on the right.

You're on shaky ground when you point to Napolitano as a source for anything intelligent. Let's not forget her infamous humiliation over her comments on the Undie Bomber. As for the rest....People are angry and they get carried away sometimes. It's absurd to try to deny that some vile things were said and even possibly done to these Congressmen, but HEY ....stop trying to link the nut jobs to Republicans or even Tea Party people. Every political group has extremists...even the lofty Democrats. Seems I recall some pretty nasty and disgusting stuff being hurled at Bush, Cheney and Republicans by protesters in the past, but fair-minded people never accused the Dem Party of complicity for certain individuals' actions. Just like those same fair-minded people don't link aggressive and violent G8 protesting anarchists to the Dem Party either. Just be fair, that's all.

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 6:34 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

It's gone beyond what's happened in the past, JS. Here's the one which makes me the most uncomfortable: An event is sheduled for April 19, anniversary of both WAco and McVay's Oklahoma City bombing. It's called "Bring Your Gun To Washington"...a militia group is planning to get as many people as possible to go to Washington, get as close to Congress as they can...armed.

This group is convinced Waco was an excuse to prove the need to ban weapons and to test weapson for "paramilitary attacks on Americans". One of their leaders has said "Look your legislators in the face, because some day you may have to blow it off".

This ain't healthy, pure and simple. Those of you here who've been saying the only way to "fix" things is to bring down the government might just possibly get your wish sooner than you expect. I'm sorry, but as far as I'm concerned, it is the single WORST thing that could happen. This country is, in my opinion, too big to be overtaken by a revolution, but the damage that would be done in trying to start one, my imagination is not sufficient to envision. I just know it would be awful, and the Republicans are encouraging this kind of thing steadily, have been since Obama's nomination. Now it's getting out of hand, and who knows what will happen next?

People's Park was one thing; we were protesting the system, sure, but we weren't armed, and look at the result. So far no armed protest of any size has taken place in this country over ANY issue, as far as I know. A bunch of militia nutbags marching on Washington with their beloved guns by their sides? I'm glad I'm on the other side of the country!

So draw your corollaries between the words the Republicans are KNOWINGLY using, their encouragement of their base to act out, and what's happening now. No, I'm afraid nothing has been fomented by the Democrats that comes close...and it IS the Republicans and Tea Partiers (an offshoot of them, you can't deny) who are saying these things. When did Democratic politicians in Congress behave or speak like this? Please provide evidence.

"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 6:50 AM

I guess then that these folks are only living up (or down) to Alan Grayson's description of them them..... knuckle-dragging neaderthals. Do you want or expect me to defend them? You know I won't. Do you really think a handful of yahoos with guns protesting are a serious threat to anyone? I don't. I think they will only show the world how ignorant and pathetic they are. Then again, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it's bigger than I believe. America's history is full of "rebellions", and they were all put down in short time. I do believe these folks are badly misguided, and they have been influenced by elements in the media who whip up these emotional situations. Any sane American knows there's a line which cannot be crossed. So if any cross it, it will be clear that they are insane. Personally, I wouldn't worry at all about it. The more they show themselves, the more they will be shunned back by the masses into their little white supremist world.

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 6:56 AM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

"The more they show themselves, the more they will be shunned back by the masses into their little white supremist world."

One hopes.

Just to briefly get back to this: "Seems I recall some pretty nasty and disgusting stuff being hurled at Bush, Cheney and Republicans by protesters in the past."

I recall Bush and Cheney being called sociopaths and murderers - which is probably true. I recall people looking for their impeachment. I remember people saying they would move to Canada if Bush were re-elected. I remember jokes about Cheney shooting his 'friend' in the face and then having said 'friend' apologize for getting shot. I honestly do not recall anyone advocating violence, threatening violence or bringing guns, nor do I recall the democratic party fomenting extremists.

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 7:00 AM

I just saw on Yahoo News that Republican Eric Cantor's office in Virgina was just sprayed with bullets. The crazies aren't limiting themselves to Dems it seems.

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 7:05 AM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

"... Republican Eric Cantor's office in Virgina was just sprayed with bullets."

Any indication it was a democrat who did it ? Any indication the party is encouraging ANY of this ?

Oh yes, and do you remember any past examples of similar things done by democrats and encouraged by the party ?

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 7:07 AM

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Originally posted by rue:
I honestly do not recall anyone advocating violence, threatening violence or bringing guns, nor do I recall the democratic party fomenting extremists.

Do you think the Republican Party ( the Michael Steele led RNC ) is helping to foment this? Michael Steele??? The guy is a softie who is usually afraid to take a hard stand on anything, and he is a gentleman. Are there some Republicans in Congress who are idiots and jerks? Absolutely! I've seen some of this stuff played on Madow and Olbermann believe it or not, and yes I find it staggeringly disgusting and un-acceptable. I believe it's going to get worse before it gets better though.

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 7:08 AM

America loves a winner!

No evidence, what so ever.

Got video proof ? Then earn 10K $

C'mon.... it's pay day!! ( if you got the stones to back it up )

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If we let them get away with Saturday’s stunt — using the imagery of the Civil Rights era and hurtful lies to cast aspersions upon the tea party whole — then they really will have won the day.
It’s time for the allegedly pristine character of Rep. John Lewis to put up or shut up. Therefore, I am offering $10,000 of my own money to provide hard evidence that the N- word was hurled at him not 15 times, as his colleague reported, but just once. Surely one of those two cameras wielded by members of his entourage will prove his point.

And surely if those cameras did not capture such abhorrence, then someone from the mainstream media — those who printed and broadcast his assertions without any reasonable questioning or investigation — must themselves surely have it on camera. Of course we already know they don’t. If they did, you’d have seen it by now.
THOUSANDS OF TIMES.

Rep. Lewis, if you can’t do that, I’ll give him a backup plan: a lie detector test. If you provide verifiable video evidence showing that a single racist epithet was hurled as you walked among the tea partiers, or you pass a simple lie detector test, I will provide a $10K check to the United Negro College Fund.

http://bigjournalism.com/abreitbart/2010/03/25/2010-a-race-odyssey-dis
proving-a-negative-for-cash-prizes-or-how-the-civil-rights-movement-jumped-the-shark/

Sadly, Lewis is from GA, and my 5th Distirct Congressman.

Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor

Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 7:12 AM

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Originally posted by rue:
"... Republican Eric Cantor's office in Virgina was just sprayed with bullets."

Any indication it was a democrat who did it ? Any indication the party is encouraging ANY of this ?

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I don't understand what you're trying to get out of me Rue. I dont know who the hell shot at Cantor's office....the point was that the bullets were fired at a Republican's office. That's significant in a discussion about whether Republicans are instigating this behavior. I'd bet that no Republican egged on this particular person to shoot at another Republican...I'd bet it didn't come from a Democrat either... I'd bet the person who did this is mentally ill in the first place....or they just wanna shoot at ANYTHING related to ANY Congressman.

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 7:19 AM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

"Do you think the Republican Party ( the Michael Steele led RNC ) is helping to foment this?"

Well, they had a lot they had to try and explain away after the poster and 'play on fear' message at an OFFICIAL fundraiser.

As for those 'nutjobs' including Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann - they ARE republican, are they not ?

And you forget I get TownHall emails. What they say to the media and what they say to people they think are on 'their side' are two different things. I have deleted all of them, but I will post them as they come in. Fair enough ?

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 7:23 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Suddenly, that little memo that Napolitano released about "right-wing extremists" being a danger to the country starts to seem so quaint in its underestimation of the real danger of the nutback whackjob fascists on the right.

You're on shaky ground when you point to Napolitano as a source for anything intelligent. Let's not forget her infamous humiliation over her comments on the Undie Bomber. As for the rest....People are angry and they get carried away sometimes. It's absurd to try to deny that some vile things were said and even possibly done to these Congressmen, but HEY ....stop trying to link the nut jobs to Republicans or even Tea Party people. Every political group has extremists...even the lofty Democrats. Seems I recall some pretty nasty and disgusting stuff being hurled at Bush, Cheney and Republicans by protesters in the past, but fair-minded people never accused the Dem Party of complicity for certain individuals' actions. Just like those same fair-minded people don't link aggressive and violent G8 protesting anarchists to the Dem Party either. Just be fair, that's all.

Jongsie, are you dismissing the message because you don't like the messenger? It kinda feels that way. And to shrug off such hatred, violence and vitriol as "people getting carried away sometimes" feels disingenuous of you, if not downright dangerous for the country. After all, did Lee Harvey Oswald just get carried away? John Wilkes Booth? John Hinckley? Squeaky Fromme? Sirhan Sirhan? James Earl Ray? People "just getting carried away" can have very disastrous results.

As for absurd links, anyone remember Rod Paige, Bush's education secretary, labeling public school teachers as terrorists and claiming that the NEA was a "terrorist organization"? He never backed off that assertion, either. It seems conservatives only get upset about ugly rhetoric when someone beats them to the punch with it.

By the way, where are the protests about McCain uttering the dreaded "lipstick on a pig" reference? Clearly he must have been calling Sarah Palin a pig, right? Isn't that what the right claimed when Obama said it?

Just be fair, indeed.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 7:24 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by rue:
"Do you think the Republican Party ( the Michael Steele led RNC ) is helping to foment this?"

Well, they had a lot they had to try and explain away after the poster and 'play on fear' message at an OFFICIAL fundraiser.

As for those 'nutjobs' including Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann - they ARE republican, are they not ?

And you forget I get TownHall emails. What they say to the media and what they say to people they think are on 'their side' are two different things. I have deleted all of them, but I will post them as they come in. Fair enough ?

Silence is consent.

Bachmann and Palin aren't " nutjobs ". They're strong women, which clearly upsets those on the Left.

Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor

Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 7:27 AM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

"I don't understand what you're trying to get out of me Rue."

There was another thread where a man who was known to stand outside of a high school with gruesome photos of aborted embryos was shot and killed. It was played up HERE as an example of the left-wing women-rights nut jobs who are JUST AS BAD as the anti-choice snipers and bombers. And it turned out the shooter was a non-partisan nutjob with a grudge who had shot two other people - for purely personal reasons - as well.

You seemed to be taking the same approach. Look - republicans are targeting democrats but a republican has been shot at ! Implication: it was a democrat so they must be just as bad. That is the ONLY reason to bring it up in this context. Otherwise, it's just irrelevant.

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 7:27 AM

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Originally posted by Hero:

You think Limbaugh and Beck don't get threats? Everybody gets threats, hell I get threats. You don't see us crying to the press about it like little bitches.

I note for the record that while there is proof that threats and vandalism have occurred, the political affiliation of the suspects is unknown. For example, Congressman Stupak (D, MI) released recordings of threats made against him, but not the phone records to prove when those recordings were made. Up until Sunday he was on the other sides' 'hit list'.

It's a different situation when a Democrat is threatened for some reason. Maybe the same reason(s) that allow and justify the vile villification and personal attacks on Conservative women without so much ever as a whisper of defense or support from any Women's Right's groups, while Liberal women are immediatley defend by them, and their attackers villified. That's just how it's been now for a long time in America.

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 7:27 AM

America loves a winner!

"...if we were in another country... we would stone Henry Hyde to death and we would go to their homes and kill their wives and their children. We would kill their families, for what they're doing to this country" - Alec ( no relation ) Baldwin, Dec 16, 1998.

Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor

Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 7:28 AM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I just saw on Yahoo News that Republican Eric Cantor's office in Virgina was just sprayed with bullets. The crazies aren't limiting themselves to Dems it seems.

I saw where Eric Cantor CLAIMED that "a bullet" (not a "spray of bullets") was fired through a window of his office. As Rappy pointed out, there's zero evidence of any truth in that allegation, though, unless someone comes up with video showing them doing it. $10,000 - come and get it!

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 7:33 AM

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Originally posted by rue:
"I don't understand what you're trying to get out of me Rue."

There was another thread where a man who was known to stand outside of a high school with gruesome photos of aborted embryos was shot and killed. It was played up HERE as an example of the left-wing women-rights nut jobs who are JUST AS BAD as the anti-choice snipers and bombers. And it turned out the shooter was a non-partisan nutjob with a grudge who had shot two other people - for purely personal reasons - as well.

You seemed to be taking the same approach. Look - republicans are targeting democrats but a republican has been shot at ! Implication: it was a democrat so they must be just as bad. That is the ONLY reason to bring it up in this context. Otherwise, it's just irrelevant.

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Rue, You're just being silly now. I and no one else here accused Dems of inspiring the Cantor shooting. If you don't want to engage me in an adult and respectful way I'm afraid I will not be able to do the same with you.

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 7:34 AM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

"... vile villification and personal attacks on Conservative women ..."

In Canada ? Is that what you are referring to ? Is that the democratic party's fault in any way ? Just wondering.

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 7:37 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Suddenly, that little memo that Napolitano released about "right-wing extremists" being a danger to the country starts to seem so quaint in its underestimation of the real danger of the nutback whackjob fascists on the right.

You're on shaky ground when you point to Napolitano as a source for anything intelligent. Let's not forget her infamous humiliation over her comments on the Undie Bomber. As for the rest....People are angry and they get carried away sometimes. It's absurd to try to deny that some vile things were said and even possibly done to these Congressmen, but HEY ....stop trying to link the nut jobs to Republicans or even Tea Party people. Every political group has extremists...even the lofty Democrats. Seems I recall some pretty nasty and disgusting stuff being hurled at Bush, Cheney and Republicans by protesters in the past, but fair-minded people never accused the Dem Party of complicity for certain individuals' actions. Just like those same fair-minded people don't link aggressive and violent G8 protesting anarchists to the Dem Party either. Just be fair, that's all.

Jongsie, are you dismissing the message because you don't like the messenger? It kinda feels that way. And to shrug off such hatred, violence and vitriol as "people getting carried away sometimes" feels disingenuous of you, if not downright dangerous for the country. After all, did Lee Harvey Oswald just get carried away? John Wilkes Booth? John Hinckley? Squeaky Fromme? Sirhan Sirhan? James Earl Ray? People "just getting carried away" can have very disastrous results.

As for absurd links, anyone remember Rod Paige, Bush's education secretary, labeling public school teachers as terrorists and claiming that the NEA was a "terrorist organization"? He never backed off that assertion, either. It seems conservatives only get upset about ugly rhetoric when someone beats them to the punch with it.

By the way, where are the protests about McCain uttering the dreaded "lipstick on a pig" reference? Clearly he must have been calling Sarah Palin a pig, right? Isn't that what the right claimed when Obama said it?

Just be fair, indeed.

Yes I am dismissing. I've got a lot of other things to worry about in my life than worrying about a handful of inbred trogladytes holstering their weapon. Most of these people haven't even been out of their house in 20 years. They just want some sunshine.

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 7:38 AM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

So your point in posting that was WHAT again ?

People get (allegedly) shot at all the time so it's nobody's fault ? All those things REPUBLICANS are saying, all the insults REPUBLICANS hurl, all the vague and not so vague threats REPUBLICANS make are nothing ? If you don't want to engage me in an adult and respectful way I'm afraid I will not be able to do the same with you.

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 7:39 AM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Maybe the same reason(s) that allow and justify the vile villification and personal attacks on Conservative women without so much ever as a whisper of defense or support from any Women's Right's groups...

There is no "villification" of Bachman and Palin. There is reaction to their well documented insanity. Their own words and actions have made them villans.

As for support from Women's groups - what are you talking about? Insanity does not deserve to be excused simply because the nutjob is a woman.

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 7:40 AM

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Sadly, Lewis is from GA, and my 5th Distirct Congressman.

That really IS sad for you, given how you feel about black people!

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 7:48 AM

I'll note for the record that when a couple of Republican politicians were actually shot, there was a HUGE outcry, and some Republicans started calling for outright bans on all guns, especially handguns. Hell, the wife of one of those who was shot actually started a political action committee dedicated to banning guns.

Those two politicians were Ronald Reagan and James Brady.

So when Republicans are targeted, there ARE Republicans who "whine like little bitches" - to the press, to the party, to the world, to everybody and anybody.

Hell, sometimes they even invade sovereign nations when they're threatened! Anyone remember the alleged plot by Saddam to assassinate Bush Sr.?

Of course, as Rappy points out, without video evidence of Saddam actually plotting, Bush must come out and admit that he was lying about it all...

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 8:00 AM

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Originally posted by Niki2:
When did Democratic politicians in Congress behave or speak like this? Please provide evidence.

Should we start in the 1960's and work our way foreward?

Edited to add: Or perhaps the 1860's would be a better fit...

H

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 8:03 AM

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Originally posted by rue:
Any indication it was a democrat who did it ? Any indication the party is encouraging ANY of this ?

No evidence whatsoever, which is the same amount of evidence that Republicans are responsible for the threats against Democrats.

By the standards of most folks here...it must be true, in fact, it was probably Obama shooting from a car driven by Pelosi (a hybrid).

H

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 8:06 AM

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Originally posted by rue:
In Canada ? Is that what you are referring to ? Is that the democratic party's fault in any way ? Just wondering.

Yes, its the Democratic Party's fault, but he was talking about Palin, not Coulter.

H

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 8:08 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
So when Republicans are targeted, there ARE Republicans who "whine like little bitches" - to the press, to the party, to the world, to everybody and anybody.

Your right, shooting someone is the same as leaving a rude message on a machine.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 8:23 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...

This has a familiar ring to it...

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 8:35 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

I saw where Eric Cantor CLAIMED that "a bullet" (not a "spray of bullets") was fired through a window of his office. As Rappy pointed out, there's zero evidence of any truth in that allegation, though, unless someone comes up with video showing them doing it. $10,000 - come and get it!

Easier to produce a bullet ( and bullet hole ) than a video of an event which was witnessed by 100's of people, many w/ cams and the like, right ?

Or, with so many cams present, should it be easier to find an audio clip of 15 racial epithets being yelled?

Let's see what develops.

Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor

Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 8:37 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Sadly, Lewis is from GA, and my 5th Distirct Congressman.

That really IS sad for you, given how you feel about socialist people!

Fixed.

Also, in a hurry, so pardon if posted already above....

From USA Today on Nov. 6, 2004: “RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) — An apparent mob of vandals attacked the North Carolina Republican Party headquarters, causing minor smoke damage, breaking windows and leaving vulgar messages, police said. Three people were arrested. In addition to the damage, the vandals left a burned effigy depicting President Bush and Sen. John Kerry, police said.”

From an Orlando TV station on Oct. 5, 2004: “A group of protesters stormed and then ransacked a Bush-Cheney headquarters building in Orlando, Fla., Tuesday, according to Local 6 News.”

Ain't no school like the old school.

Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor

Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:18 AM

HKCAVALIER

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Originally posted by rue:
So your point in posting that was WHAT again ?

Hey Rue,

I thought the point was pretty simple and straight forward when he said: "The crazies aren't limiting themselves to Dems it seems." Which pretty much means that they're going after BOTH Republicans and Democrats. They being "the crazies." This violence we're seeing is not just partisan, it's nihilistic. They want government to pay.

A child is terrorized by his father and lashes out at his mother, not because the mother instigated the brutality, but because he feels safe enough with her to do so. That's what we're seeing here. These people are driven by fear, and they fear their conservative authority figures so much that they will never EVER admit it. They'll call it respect, they'll call it admiration. They crow about their tiny disagreements with Dad on matters of policy, protesting "but I'm really a libertarian!" But the moment the Republicans return to power they will dummy up and hate on the terrorists again, everything their conservative leaders do to destroy their freedoms will be blamed on the terrorists again.

You see, it's not Dad's fault he beats me, he has a tough life and I need to be disciplined. But Mom? She's just the bitch tryin' to run my life! Political discourse straight out of Totem and Taboo.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:30 AM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

"The crazies aren't limiting themselves to Dems it seems."

But the point is that there are specifically REPUBLICAN crazies going after democrats and being encouraged to do so by the inflammatory rhetoric of the REPUBLICAN party and REPUBLICAN party members. So, as I posted in response, it's an attempt deny the REPUBLICAN role, to sweep the REPUBLICAN dirt under rug of 'gee, there sure are crazy people, aren't there'.

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My apologies to Byte for the use of 'crazy' and its derivatives.

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:58 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by rue:
"The crazies aren't limiting themselves to Dems it seems."

But the point is that there are specifically REPUBLICAN crazies going after democrats and being encouraged to do so by the inflammatory rhetoric of the REPUBLICAN party and REPUBLICAN party members. So, as I posted in response, it's an attempt deny the REPUBLICAN role, to sweep the REPUBLICAN dirt under rug of 'gee, there sure are crazy people, aren't there'.

Everyone knows that the Left is astro turfing this nonsense. If anyone is fanning the flames here, tis the Left, and the Left wing media, trying to fabricate sympathy for Obama and the Dems who ignored the will of the people and voted for ObamaCare.

The Left WANTS there to be chaos. It's the only way they can claim victimhood, which is their standard M.O. for doing business. See Sal Alinsky's Rules for Radicals.

Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor

Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 11:17 AM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

"The crazies aren't limiting themselves to Dems it seems."

OH ...

... I get your point now. I was using logic, you were using understanding.

NEVERmind

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 11:21 AM

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Any indication it was a democrat who did it ? Any indication the party is encouraging ANY of this ?

No evidence whatsoever, which is the same amount of evidence that Republicans are responsible for the threats against Democrats.

... which is exactly the same amount of evidence that Saddam had WMD. So it's not like the Republicans are exactly known for demanding evidence, or checking to see if the "evidence" they've manufactured will actually pass muster...

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 11:24 AM

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

UH - I think the GOP fund-raiser poster, and Palin's and Backman's statements qualify. Also, I include the emails I get from TownHall. Last I checked these were all republicans.

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 11:26 AM

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Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
So when Republicans are targeted, there ARE Republicans who "whine like little bitches" - to the press, to the party, to the world, to everybody and anybody.

Your right, shooting someone is the same as leaving a rude message on a machine.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.

Actually, they aren't the same, but you're a liar - er, I mean a LAWYER - so I can see why you'd make that mistake.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 11:28 AM

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Originally posted by rue:
UH - I think the GOP fund-raiser poster, and Palin's and Backman's statements qualify. Also, I include the emails I get from TownHall. Last I checked these were all republicans.

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Silence is consent.

Also, Michael Steele's statement that he wants to "put Pelosi on the firing line", and the GOP's website home page, with its full-page image of Pelosi in flames with the caption "Let's Fire Pelosi!" seem to fit the bill, too.

Not that Michael Steele would ever foment such antagonistic actions, of course...

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 11:33 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Sadly, Lewis is from GA, and my 5th Distirct Congressman.

That really IS sad for you, given how you feel about black people!

You're right.

Also, in a hurry, so pardon if posted already above....

From USA Today on Nov. 6, 2004: “RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) — An apparent mob of vandals attacked the North Carolina Republican Party headquarters, causing minor smoke damage, breaking windows and leaving vulgar messages, police said. Three people were arrested. In addition to the damage, the vandals left a burned effigy depicting President Bush and Sen. John Kerry, police said.”

From an Orlando TV station on Oct. 5, 2004: “A group of protesters stormed and then ransacked a Bush-Cheney headquarters building in Orlando, Fla., Tuesday, according to Local 6 News.”

Ain't no school like the old school.

Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor

Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

1) Where's the video of those things being done?

2) Sounds like the Republicans were just trying to play the victim card like they always do, trying to guilt people into voting for them. It's the only thing they've got.

3) Fixed back.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 11:34 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by Hero:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
So when Republicans are targeted, there ARE Republicans who "whine like little bitches" - to the press, to the party, to the world, to everybody and anybody.

Your right, shooting someone is the same as leaving a rude message on a machine.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.

Actually, they aren't the same, but you're a liar - er, I mean a LAWYER - so I can see why you'd make that mistake.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

Is that my tongue in my cheek or am I just happy to see you?

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 11:36 AM

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Everyone knows that the right is astro turfing this nonsense. If anyone is fanning the flames here, tis the right, and the right wing media, trying to fabricate sympathy for tea-baggers and the Republicans who ignored the will of the people and voted against healthcare reform.

The right WANTS there to be chaos. It's the only way they can claim victimhood and instill fear in their base, which is their standard M.O. for doing business. See Karl Rove's blueprint for a "permanent majority".

Fixed.

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 11:38 AM

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Originally posted by Hero:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by Hero:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
So when Republicans are targeted, there ARE Republicans who "whine like little bitches" - to the press, to the party, to the world, to everybody and anybody.

Your right, shooting someone is the same as leaving a rude message on a machine.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.

Actually, they aren't the same, but you're a liar - er, I mean a LAWYER - so I can see why you'd make that mistake.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

Is that my tongue in my cheek or am I just happy to see you?

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.

Well, with your head that far up your ass, I can't tell WHERE your tongue is, but I'm guessing you can taste what you had for breakfast.

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 11:42 AM

FREMDFIRMA

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This has a familiar ring to it...

The funny thing is when I call bullshit on incidents like that (which I did, immediately, mind you) I usually take all amount of crap for it for quite a while till the truth comes out, and then the thread gets suddenly abandoned...
*eyeroll*

I've made my position on this kinda thing quite clear though, and I will reiterate it here.

I will not support it, but nor will I stand in the way, I am absolutely neutral on hostility versus any political office less than the POTUS, because the office itself is a symbol no matter the dimwit occupying it, and to act against it in hostile fashion is to spit on all that is america.
(And I felt that way even with Shrub in charge, and said as much.)

Any lesser office, that's between them and the people, I will take no action to support it, but nor will I take any action to prevent it.
Not to say I wouldn't PROFIT from it, however...

Piiitchforks, git yo piittchforks heaah!
Torches by the dozen, get em while their hot!

-F

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:11 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Gawd, you guys move fast!

JS, if by

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by elements in the media who whip up these emotional situations

You mean FauxNews, certainly I can’t disagree. But the choice of words by the Republican politicians is unmistakable; as I posted before, words send signals, and the Republican Party is smart enough to know this.

I’m glad you don’t find “a handful of yahoos with guns protesting” as a serious threat to anyone. I do. I think it’s disingenuous to say they are just

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badly misguided, and they have been influenced by elements in the media who whip up these emotional situations

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Most of these people haven't even been out of their house in 20 years. They just want some sunshine.

, that is TRULY disingenuous. Surely you’re aware that there are militia groups out there hoarding weapons who meet in groups, waiting to join in the toppling of the government? Just the people who are carrying weapons to supposedly demonstrate their Second Amendment rights by going into a Starbucks or to an Obama event get plenty of “sunshine” and know precisely what they’re doing and why.

If by “media” you mean Faux News, I concur...but the politicians themselves have been encouraging this mentality ever since Obama was nominated, and it’s gotten steadily worse. I can’t absolve them from guilt in this, and I don’t see how anyone can.

Personally, I don’t think Steele is fomenting this. He’s been in trouble with the party all along, so my view would be that he is following party line, walking on eggshells and not condemning the acting out because it goes against w hat the politicians themselves are saying. The GOP isn’t “led” by Steele, that’s been shown over and over, but I think Steele is letting himself be led by the GOP.

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just wanna shoot at ANYTHING related to ANY Congressman

That, to me, points to the larger problem. Fired-up anger is hard to dissipate, and right now the feelings toward Congress in general are pretty angry. Whether the Republicans are encouraging it with their word “signals” or just trying to ride the wave, I fear they might find a backlash aimed at THEM, as well.

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It's a different situation when a Democrat is threatened for some reason

That’s been covered, the Reagan and Brady corollaries are apt, and at that time the outcry was bipartisan. I can only hope that if/when someone IS harmed physically, the same will happen. What I see happening is an escalation which can only end up with violence, so I hope it brings people to their senses without too many being hurt too badly.

Myself, I think Cavalier nailed it best of all. This is a bell that is hard to unring, and a sad and dangerous one.

I, too, heard it was “one bullet” in the Cantor thing...just shows how fast things get warped that people are getting the idea it was a “spray”. That it was done to a Republican speaks to me of the anger beginning to be turned to both sides, as I said above. Denying these things are happening, or trying to blame the other side as subversively being the ones who did them is absurd in my opinion. The signs by protesters have been all to clearly indicative of a growing, unreasoned hatred fed by lies and manipulation...for it NOT to progress to physical acts is pretty hard to imagine.

As to cameras not catching this stuff, I’m not surprised. I don’t know how many people were there when it happened, but one has to be very lucky to be aiming at something inadvertently to catch a random act, and there is clear audio of “baby killer” to hear, yet he says it was “IT’S A baby killer”, referring to the bill. How many heard the “it’s a”? He’s been blamed for what people did hear, and either he’s lying or the audio didn’t pick it up. It could be either, we can’t tell. So IF someone was lucky enough to have their camera pointed in the right direction and IF it picked up audio or video, what would it show anyway? Surely not who actually did it? Most videos which “prove” things were taken by people who were somewhere, witnessed something happening, and recorded it. There aren’t too many cases of people with cameras who caught a quick, random act.

Also, if you question the validity of the person who did it, as well as the validity of the other things that have been reported, don’t you have to equally question the validity of this having happened as well? It goes both ways.

Rue, I would LOVE to read those e-mails you spoke of. Aside from my other feelings, I’m finding this a fascinating insight into politics, society and human mentality. Better yet, best you give us a website where we can find them, lest you be accused of faking them, apparently. Maybe videotape them? No, wait, that could be faked too...a website would be best.

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Bachmann and Palin aren't " nutjobs ". They're strong women, which clearly upsets those on the Left.

Oh, thank you, you smelly little wind...a good laugh is ALWAYS appreciated.

At the same time, sadly, it’s hard to imagine even anyone inhabiting the universe where you live still believing in these women and defending them, given all they’ve said and how they’ve presented so much evidence of their insanity. You truly think they upset us? I feel sorry for those who follow and believe them, but they've already proven themselves clearly enough for most of the country to ignore them or laugh at them.

JS, “villification and personal attacks on Conservative women without so much ever as a whisper of defense or support from any Women's Right's groups” is a bit difficult to understand. Most conservative women who speak out do so by vilifying exactly those groups THEMSELVES, while liberal speakers do not, so why would the conservatives even expect any defense from them? It’s kind of illogical, isn’t it? Given what I hear them say about women’s rights groups, I think it’s kind of tit for tat, myself.

Hero, can you educate me on some of the specifics of the 1960’s tactics that were used? All I can find are demonstrations by people, nothing about Democratic Congressmen behaving as they are now, or even speaking as they are now. I’d really like to know; I was involved in demonstrations, but not aware of what was happening in Congress at the time.

As Rue stated the inflammatory rhetoric has been solely on the Republican side of the aisle. It is Republican CONGRESSMEN and women who have been using the buzz words about violence, Socialism, death panels, and other visceral, emotionally-charged terms which lead to violence. I haven’t heard a single Democrat say anything about overthrowing government, rebellion, or killing someone. As to Democrats “astro turfing” all that’s happening, that’s as unproven as the assertions that it’s Republican protesters doing it...there are, however, provable facts that the town hall disruptions were astro-turfed, financed and scripted by Republican interests. So I don’t think “everyone” knows any such thing. The chaos was scripted by right-wing sources, it’s been proven, so to suddenly jump from that to the firm belief that Democrats are behind all that’s happening is a pretty hefty jump.

As far as I can see, the political maneuverings can be laid at the Democrats' feet to a degree, if the HC bill was put together behind closed doors and so forth--but their actions have been political, there is nothing to show they have been riling up their base to become physical, that I know of.

"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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