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The Nuclear Waste Problem: Where To Put It?

POSTED BY: NIKI2
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Saturday, March 27, 2010 8:41 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Do you think they can really find somewhere? I kinda doubt it, which is one of the main reasons I'm anti-nuclear power.
Quote:

New Presidential Commission is Exploring Ways to Store Radioactive Nuclear Fuel

President Obama's new Blue Ribbon Commission on America's Nuclear Future has a mission that nobody else has been able to do: find a long-term storage solution for America's growing mountain of radioactive nuclear waste.

Earlier this month, Steven Chu, secretary of the US Department of Energy (DOE), filed papers to finally end the agency's nearly 30-year quest to make Nevada's Yucca Mountain the main US repository for spent nuclear fuel and other radioactive waste. That leaves the United States without a permanent storage site.

The commission is charged with recommending safe, long-term options for storage, processing and disposal of civilian and military spent nuclear fuel from power plants and high-level radioactive waste. The focus is on finding an alternative to Yucca Mountain, which would have stored 70,000 metric tons of nuclear waste.

Why was Yucca Mountain shelved?

Fissures in Yucca Mountain could fill with water and submerge the radioactive waste if the climate shifts in the future, Dr. Chu told a Senate appropriations committee earlier this month. Salt domes, whose geology hasn't changed in millions of years, might make better storage, he said. Others point to the influence of Obama ally Sen. Harry Reid (D) of Nevada, who opposes the Yucca site.

Although the DOE has applied to withdraw Yucca's site license application from Nuclear Regulatory Commission consideration "with prejudice," a term meaning it never expects to refile, industry groups say they may sue to block that decision.


Why is a long-term solution important now?
With Yucca Mountain out of the picture and the Obama administration pushing for an expansion of nuclear power, another long-term storage option is needed. Currently, interim storage occurs in spent-fuel pools and in dry, above-ground casks at reactor sites.

Utilities are required under the Nuclear Waste Management Act of 1982 to keep spent reactor fuel on-site until a permanent disposal site is developed. Since then, utilities have paid billions of dollars into a fund to deal with long-term radioactive waste, but no permanent disposal site has been developed.

(more at http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/nuclear-waste-problem-put/story?id=1021
1941&page=2
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"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:50 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Stick it in the bunker under the white house.

I can think of no better encouragement than that to get the powers that be to realize the problem here, you simply remove the NIMBY principle and force those responsible for the situation to acknowledge and deal with the fruits thereof.

Admittedly, I have a bias, since I lived the "Forgotten Lands" ghetto over the bridge from Baltimore proper, an area with four waste incinerators, a medical waste incinerator, multiple factories, several leaky landfills commercial and public, and a considerable amount of barely even secret and highly toxic illegal waste dumps, mercury and lead in the water at the naval yard, lead in the paint on everything in the neighborhoods, asbestos everywhere, air quality 700 times worse than the national average, water so toxic the place looked like Mordor, and the only response city officials had to that little five square mile having tremendous lung cancer (to say the least) rate was ?
"More people in that neighborhood smoke cigarettes"
Uh-huh, sure puts them tobacco lawsuits in perspective for me, all the while the asbestos companies laughing their ass off and helping point the finger...

Anyhows, everyone living there is a dead man walking, and they know it, not to mention growing up in such an environment has both physical and psychological side effects which result in a generalized insanity.

All in a little teeny peninsula where all the dirt poor people with no political power live.

You'd best believe I have ZERO problem with dumping any and all of that toxic waste on the bastards who profit from it while dumping it on those unfortunate enough to have nowhere else to go.

-Frem

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Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:58 PM

CITIZEN


I was very pro-nuclear until I realised some of the simple facts. Like for instance how NO ONE has a bloody clue what to do with the waste, waste that will be deadly for 10,000 years (longer than the existence of Human civilisation to this point). The only real storage facility in the united states was only designed as a temporary storage facility, and is already over capacity.

It's even worse, Fusion isn't (as many people believe) safe. Neutron activation means Fusion reactor components will be just as dangerous as those of Fission.

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Sunday, March 28, 2010 8:40 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yes to both of you. I was educated real early on the problems with nuclear, and was in several protest marches about it here in CA. When I heard Obama talk about nuclear AND "clean coal", I was reeeel pissed.

I know there is no one easy solution, but those two aren't "solutions", they're wrong and nuclear in particular is typically a short-sighted "fix".

I'm with you, Frem...dump it on 'em. Also dump all the results of "clean coal" right on their heads, if you ask me! (Or let 'em work in a "clean coal" mine enough years to get all THOSE illnesses!)


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Sunday, March 28, 2010 10:29 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Well, that's an additional bias I should disclose if we're gonna talk about coal - my ancestors were IWW and UMWA hardcases, right down on through Sid Hatfield and those that stood to in the battle of blair mountain - the one and only time the US military ever bombed their own citizens, and it was for the benefit, and at the behest of, corporations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blair_Mountain

It's that very problem, that the Gov always, ALWAYS sides with the Corpies, that the "unions" we have today are naught more than a sick joke, a transparent pacification fiction started by the Corpies, and so corrupt they are naught more than just a subcorp with all the same damned problems.

Which is why I am IWW and a supporter of the MCC style co-op structure.
http://www.iww.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondrag%C3%B3n_Cooperative_Corporation
(Ironic that this concept did in a way come out of the events of Anarchist Catalonia)

Anyhow, when it comes to coal, I prolly ain't gonna be the most reasonable person around to discuss the matter with, since there's too much personal history and philosophy involved for me to do anything but wonder which heads to lop off first..

-F

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Tuesday, March 30, 2010 7:03 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Along the lines of nuclear and why we should or shouldn't pursue more plants:
Quote:

More Tritium Found At Vermont Yankee

More Bad News At Embattled Nuke Plant

More tritium has been discovered at Vermont Yankee.

Vermont State Department of Health officials said the radioactive material was found in a deeper well than where the previously discovered leak at the power plant.

Officials said they suspect the tritium is a result of the same leak that was discovered months ago, but that the tritium had slowly moved underground.

Last week, Yankee officials announced they had stopped all of the tritium leaks at the plant.

At this point, no radio active tritium has made its way into drinking water, according to the health department.

http://www.wptz.com/news/22997718/detail.html?hpt=T2

But gee whiz, they're the good guys, and they want to keep it up another 20 years, which is fair, isn't it? mean, they're doing their best, they wouldn't lie to the public or anything, would they?
Quote:

Group Wants Vt. Yankee Closed, Cites Falsehoods

A consumer group is calling on Vermont regulators to reject Vermont Yankee nuclear plant's request to operate for another 20 years.

In a filing Thursday at the Public Service Board, the Vermont Public Interest Research Group said Entergy Corp. acknowledged providing false information to the board by saying it didn't have underground piping that carried radioactive material.

Now, underground piping has been determined to be the main source of radioactive tritium leaking at the plant.

In its filing, Vermont Public Interest Research Group said Entergy should be ordered to pay other parties for their costs in responding to the false statements.

http://www.wptz.com/news/22881626/detail.html


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Wednesday, March 31, 2010 10:59 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


It's actually not SO dangerous :

'...The popular conception of nuclear power is straight out of The Simpsons: Springfield abounds with signs of radioactivity, from the strange glow surrounding Mr. Burn's nuclear power plant workers to Homer's low sperm count. Then there's the local superhero, Radioactive Man, who fires beams of "nuclear heat" from his eyes. Nuclear power, many people think, is inseparable from a volatile, invariably lime-green, mutant-making radioactivity.

Coal, meanwhile, is believed responsible for a host of more quotidian problems, such as mining accidents, acid rain and greenhouse gas emissions. But it isn't supposed to spawn three-eyed fish like Blinky.

Over the past few decades, however, a series of studies has called these stereotypes into question. Among the surprising conclusions: the waste produced by coal plants is actually more radioactive than that generated by their nuclear counterparts. In fact, the fly ash emitted by a power plant—a by-product from burning coal for electricity—carries into the surrounding environment 100 times more radiation than a nuclear power plant producing the same amount of energy.'

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=coal-ash-is-more-radi
oactive-than-nuclear-waste


Nonetheless , I say we oughta BURN it !

' New age nuclear

Issue 8 of Cosmos, April 2006by Tim Dean

Nuclear energy produces no greenhouse gases, but it has many drawbacks. Now a radical new technology based on thorium promises what uranium never delivered: abundant, safe and clean energy - and a way to burn up old radioactive waste.

http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/node/348/

Nuclear Fusion-Fission Hybrid Could Destroy Nuclear Waste And Contribute to Carbon-Free Energy FutureJanuary 27, 2009

The invention could help combat global warming by making nuclear power cleaner and thus a more viable replacement of carbon-heavy energy sources, such as coal.


The idea behind the compact Fusion-Fission Hybrid is that fusion can be used to burn nuclear waste, producing energy and getting rid of much of the long-lived waste generated by nuclear reactors.

View the complete illustration of the new nuclear waste destruction system, demonstrating how a fusion-fission hybrid, made possible by the Super X Divertor invented by University of Texas at Austin physicists, could integrate into the nuclear fuel cycle :



' "...We have created a way to use fusion to relatively inexpensively destroy the waste from nuclear fission," says Mike Kotschenreuther, senior research scientist with the Institute for Fusion Studies (IFS) and Department of Physics. "Our waste destruction system, we believe, will allow nuclear power—a low carbon source of energy—to take its place in helping us combat global warming."

...Toxic nuclear waste is stored at sites around the U.S. Debate surrounds the construction of a large-scale geological storage site at Yucca Mountain in Nevada, which many maintain is costly and dangerous. The storage capacity of Yucca Mountain, which is not expected to open until 2020, is set at 77,000 tons. The amount of nuclear waste generated by the U.S. will exceed this amount by 2010.

The physicists' new invention could drastically decrease the need for any additional or expanded geological repositories.'


http://www.utexas.edu/news/2009/01/27/nuclear_hybrid/

http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/6-30-2003-42372.asp

Plenty of non-scary options , for Folk who're not inveterate scaremongers...

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Wednesday, March 31, 2010 4:22 PM

MANGOLO


New tech like out2theblack outlined is good stuff, but decades away from a roll out.

In the meantime, we are producing more waste that we have no reasonable way of storing. Did you see that the government hired specialize linguists to write an ideographic sigh post that will identify the danger inside Yucca mountain?

The reason. Language hasn't even been around as long as some of this waste will remain dangerous. Nobody knows what language will be spoken tens of thousands of years in the future.

We know not what we do, eh?

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Wednesday, March 31, 2010 4:36 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Mangolo:
Language hasn't even been around as long as some of this waste will remain dangerous. Nobody knows what language will be spoken tens of thousands of years in the future.


OHHHH! Sounds like a screenplay!!!
Write it!!!


The laughing Chrisisall

"I only do it to to remind you that I'm right and that deep down, you know I'm right, you want me to be right, you need me to be right." - The Imperial Hero Strikes Back, 2010

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Wednesday, March 31, 2010 4:56 PM

MANGOLO


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Mangolo:
Language hasn't even been around as long as some of this waste will remain dangerous. Nobody knows what language will be spoken tens of thousands of years in the future.


OHHHH! Sounds like a screenplay!!!
Write it!!!


The laughing Chrisisall

"I only do it to to remind you that I'm right and that deep down, you know I'm right, you want me to be right, you need me to be right." - The Imperial Hero Strikes Back, 2010







http://www.facebook.com/pages/strange-frame/182133437902

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Wednesday, March 31, 2010 5:06 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by Mangolo:
Did you see that the government hired specialize linguists to write an ideographic sigh post that will identify the danger inside Yucca mountain?

The reason. Language hasn't even been around as long as some of this waste will remain dangerous. Nobody knows what language will be spoken tens of thousands of years in the future.


DI has a great writeup on that.

http://www.damninteresting.com/this-place-is-not-a-place-of-honor

-F

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Wednesday, March 31, 2010 5:31 PM

CHRISISALL


"I am very old."

-Joe Chrisisall


The laughing Chrisisall

"I only do it to to remind you that I'm right and that deep down, you know I'm right, you want me to be right, you need me to be right." - The Imperial Hero Strikes Back, 2010

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