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Originally posted by Niki2:What's amusing to me, is that in trying to prove there are African-Americans in the Tea Party, all you have to do is look at the people BEHIND those being interviewed, to see not another Black face in the crowd.

Proved a lot, yes siree...

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If you look hard enough, you can find anything you want to prove any point you want. But I think it would have been more effective if they'd pulled those people aside so all the white faces behind them weren't so obvious...

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How do we know Simon Legree was a democrat?

By the way, I never heard all the things that guy claimed were being said...I wonder how come? I found the talking points fascinating, “loss of freedom”?? I'd like to see where they get that idea...I think they may be good people with good reasons for what they're doing. Some of what they said was quite articulate, and some reasonable, but it doesn't make a case.

To say the Dems have done nothing for African-Americans, for example, is just something someone has told her; if she looked at the facts throughout the time since the Civil Rights movement, she'd see otherwise.

Nice try, but I'm afraid it means little to me.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
They interviewed SIX black people, out of a crowd that the Tea Partiers themselves claim numbered "at least 25,000". That works out to a black attendance of less than 0.00025% That's not quite one-in-a-million, but it ain't far from it.

Maybe Rappy's chapter of the Klan should let in the one black guy just so they can claim they ain't racist, too!

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I'd LOVE for you to tell that very articulate and well spoken black woman exactly what the Dems have done for her and black people. I very much doubt there's anything YOU could tell her about the civil rights movement. That's just precious!

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
They interviewed SIX black people, out of a crowd that the Tea Partiers themselves claim numbered "at least 25,000". That works out to a black attendance of less than 0.00025% That's not quite one-in-a-million, but it ain't far from it.

Maybe Rappy's chapter of the Klan should let in the one black guy just so they can claim they ain't racist, too!

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Actually, we have two. They work in the kitchen.

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Originally posted by Niki2:


Mike, I think he was joking about two in the kitchen.

Of course, I could be wrong...

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

I'd LOVE for you to tell that very articulate and well spoken black woman exactly what the Dems have done for her and black people. I very much doubt there's anything YOU could tell her about the civil rights movement. That's just precious!

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The "Southern Strategy" and Reagan's Rampant Racism


In the 1960's, as the civil rights struggle heated up, the Republican party developed what came to be known as the "Southern Strategy."

The Southern Strategy was designed to get the support of Southern whites who were upset that Democrats had led the effort to protect the civil and voting rights of African Americans.

Race would be used as a wedge issue, and racial polarization would produce white votes for the Republicans.

Richard Nixon was the first to employ the southern strategy in a presidential campaign.

The existence of the Southern strategy is something you should never let a right-winger deny. You can quote some prominent right-wingers themselves.

The late Lee Atwater was the grandpappy of all the Republican dirty campaign, dirty tricks, vicious-politics-of-personal-destruction campaign strategists. Karl Rove was a disciple of Lee Atwater.

As a member of the Reagan administration in 1981, Atwater gave an anonymous interview to political scientist Alexander P. Lamis. Part of this interview was printed in Lamis' bookThe Two-Party South, then reprinted in Southern Politics in the 1990s with Atwater's name revealed. Atwater talked about the GOP's Southern Strategy and Ronald Reagan's version of it:

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Atwater: As to the whole Southern strategy that Harry Dent and others put together in 1968, opposition to the Voting Rights Act would have been a central part of keeping the South.

You start out in 1954 by saying, "Nigger, nigger, nigger." By 1968 you can't say "nigger"—that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like 'forced busing', 'states' rights' and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me—because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "Nigger, nigger."

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This brings us to Ronald Reagan's racism. How many times have you been speaking to a right-winger, and they will bring up how wonderful Ronald Reagan was? He did this and he accomplished that. He had these principles and those principles. Why, you would think that the right-winger has an altar to Ronald Reagan set up in his or her own house.

Sean Hannity proudly declares on virtually every show, that he's a Reagan conservative.

Let's address the questions: Was Reagan a racist? Did he follow the Southern Strategy?

Most definitely and most definitely again.

Here are Reagan's Five Pillars of Racism, showing him beyond doubt to be a racist:

Number one:

Right wing icon Ronald Reagan opposed the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Huh? Who except the Ku Klux Klan or its fellow travelers would oppose such a measure? What kind of a human being would say it's okay for a restaurant to refuse to serve someone because of their race? To deny a person the right to check into a hotel, because they were African-American? To refuse to hire someone, because they are of a race different than your own?

Ronald Reagan, apparently.

Remember, I don't know what was in Reagan's heart. But I can and will tell you what actions he took, and what the effects were. And if Ronald Reagan's opposition to the 1964 Civil Rights Act had become the majority position in Congress, well then, restaurants, hotels and employers would have been able to continue their discriminatory policies.

Maybe, a right-winger will argue, there was something in the wording of that particular piece of legislation, the 1964 Civil Rights Act, that Reagan didn't like. He really wasn't opposed to civil rights for all.

Sorry, not so.

Because the very next year, Reagan opposed the other major piece of civil rights legislation of that era, the 1965 Voting Rights Act.

It prohibited the use of literacy tests, poll taxes and the like to deny an American citizen the right to vote because of their race. This had been standard practice throughout the South.

Again, I ask you, what kind of a person would oppose such a law? What kind of a person would want African-Americans to continue to be disenfranchised?

Apparently again, Ronald Reagan. There's his second pillar of racism.

You know, I can already hear right-wingers offering another lame excuse: maybe Reagan was wrong back then, but by the time he became president, he had stopped advocating racist positions.

Again, you can easily prove the right-winger, wrong.

Your third pillar of Ronald Reagan's racism skips forward in time to 1980, when he began his presidential campaign.

Reagan chose to give a campaign speech -- some say it was the kickoff speech to his campaign -- outside of the town of Philadelphia, Mississippi.

At that time the ONLY thing Philadelphia, Mississippi was known for, was the brutal murder outside that town in 1964 of three civil rights workers, James Chaney, Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner. They had gone there to help African-Americans register to vote.

Did Reagan express sorrow for their deaths when he spoke outside of Philadelphia, Mississippi? After all, the FBI's investigation was still open. The case had drawn international attention. What better way for Reagan to erase the stain on himself for having opposed both the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act?

No, Reagan was not there to mend his ways, to ask for forgiveness, to do the right thing. He was there to further the GOP's Southern Strategy.

He didn't mention the murders of Chaney, Goodman and Schwerner at all. That alone speaks volumes. And it gets worse.

Reagan also didn't apologize for his opposition to the Civil and Voting Rights Acts. But that's still not the worst of it.

Worst of all, Reagan told the nearly all-white crowd, that "I believe in states' rights." Remember what GOP strategy guru Lee Atwater said about that term?

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By 1968, you can’t say ‘nigger.’ That hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like…states’ rights…

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Reagan was giving a "Dixie Dog Whistle" to all the racists in the South. At the very place where civil rights workers were murdered. And where that white community was still protecting the murderers.

Reagan's horrifically racist behavior did not go unnoticed at the time.

Andrew Young had been a stalwart of the civil rights movement, a colleague and friend of Dr. Martin Luther King. He would later become a Congressman, Mayor of Atlanta, and Ambassador to the United Nations.

At the time, he was a campaign aide to Reagan's opponent, President Jimmy Carter.

Let me read you Andrew Young's impassioned words from 1980:

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[W]hen you go to Philadelphia, Mississippi, where James Chaney, Andy Goodman, and Michael Schwerner were killed — murdered — by the sheriff and the deputy sheriff and a government posse protecting states' rights, and you go down there and start talking about states' rights, that looks like a code word to me that it’s going to be all right to kill niggers when he’s President.

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Hey, Mr. or Ms. Right-Winger, are you still so proud of your hero, Ronald Reagan?

So much for Reagan changing his ways.

And there's more. Reagan kept it up.

Here's the fourth pillar of Ronald Reagan's racism:

In the early 1980's, the campaign to make Martin Luther King's birthday a national holiday was coming to a head. You can imagine, I'm sure, what type of person was supporting such an effort, and what type of person was in opposition. And yes, there he was, the Gipper, in all his Southern Strategy glory, opposing making Martin Luther King's birthday a national holiday.

Once a racist, always a racist, at least with some, it seems.

Ok, for the fifth pillar of Ronald Reagan's racism, we go international. In the 1980's, the entire world community was uniting in opposition to the South African government's racist apartheid policy. An international boycott of South Africa was launched to pressure the South African government to allow its black citizens to vote, and otherwise to dismantle apartheid.

Guess who was not on board? Yup, Ronald Reagan opposed the international boycott of South Africa. Instead, Reagan insisted that quiet diplomacy would work. He called his policy "constructive engagement." Bull. You know what it was.

Archbishop Desmond Tutu was one of the main leaders of the anti-apartheid movement in South Africa. After he won the Nobel Peace Prize, Archbishop Tutu addressed the U.S. Congress and had some choice words for Ronald Reagan. According to a contemporaneous news account, Tutu said apartheid

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...is evil, is immoral, is un-Christian...
In my view, the Reagan Administration's support and collaboration with it is equally immoral, evil and totally un-Christian.
You are either for or against apartheid, and not by rhetoric. You are either in favor of evil, or you are in favor of good. You are either on the side of the oppressed or on the side of the oppressor. You can't be neutral.

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Bishop Tutu then concluded with this broadside, telling the lawmakers that Reagan's policy of "constructive engagement"

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... has encouraged the white racist regime into escalated intransigence and oppression.

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Immoral, evil and totally un-Christian. Ronald Reagan's policies.

Encouraged the white racist regime into escalated intransigence and oppression. Ronald Reagan's policies.

And it's all of a piece, isn't it, with Reagan's opposition to the Civil Rights Act, his opposition to the Voting Rights Act, Reagan's lauding of "states' rights" where civil rights workers were murdered, and his opposition to honoring another Nobel Prize-winning man of African descent, Dr. Martin Luther King.

Any one of these alone and I would say, this person is a racist. There's no other explanation besides prejudice combined with the intent and power to injure -- denying rights or recognition, or stirring up others to be prejudiced and to take action to injure.

But all five taken together?

My goodness, could it be any more plain?

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I'd LOVE for you to tell that very articulate and well spoken black woman exactly what the Dems have done for her and black people. I very much doubt there's anything YOU could tell her about the civil rights movement. That's just precious!

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So what, exactly, could the Republicans tell her about the Civil Rights movement? She certainly seems to be desperately in need of some facts in that area!

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So the moral of the story here is...?


If six black people show up in a crowd of 25,000 white people, a Tea Party protest breaks out?

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Never had a W sticker on my car or truck. Sorry.
You want to disparage an honored revolutionary symbol for the founding of this nation? By all means.... I suits your M.O.

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Never had a W sticker on my car or truck. Sorry.
You want to disparage an honored revolutionary symbol for the founding of this nation? By all means.... I suits your M.O.

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I'm not disparaging the flag - I'm disparaging the boot-licking jingoistic scum like you who wrap yourselves up in it. If you're going to continue to wrap yourself in the flag - Gadsden's this year, Old Glory last year - at least have the decency to light it on fire next time.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
....morons who follow your leaders with such blind zeal and obedience, you'd make Stalin blush.

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But by all means, stand up against freedom, all you want. It, again, suits you!

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....morons who follow your leaders with such blind zeal and obedience, you'd make Stalin blush.

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Gee, like you and everything Dubya ever said or did?

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But by all means, stand up against freedom, all you want. It, again, suits you!

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Sorry, you cornered the market on that years ago.

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....morons who follow your leaders with such blind zeal and obedience, you'd make Stalin blush.

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Gee, like you and everything Dubya ever said or did?

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Did I stand up for the Farm bail outs ? Nope. Did I stand up for the 'comprehensive' immigration plan W tried to give us ? Nope. The Harriet Miers nomination ? The prescription drug program ? No, not really. Not everything Bush said or did. Not even close.

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When did you see me stand up for ACORN? When did I stand up for "SEIU thugs"? Hell, for that matter, what the fuck ARE "SEIU thugs"? I think they're an invention of the right, made up out of thin air as some phony bogeyman to scare people with. When did I burn the flag? (Hint: Never.)

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But by all means, stand up against freedom, all you want. It, again, suits you!

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Sorry, you cornered the market on that years ago.

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Really? How so ? Was it when our Gov't mandated that every man,woman and child had to buy medical insurance, or face jail ?

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Really, WHERE do you get this stuff? Now you're going to "face jail"? Really? I gotta call bullshit on that one. Please prove me wrong - PLEASE post up the explicit language in the bill that mandates jail time for not buying insurance. I'll wait; I've got all the time in the world.

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Did you like it when the White House tried to strong arm the media, by threatening to block out a news network for the pool reporting, an act so desperate and totalitarian, even the other MSM folks had to speak up, and stand up, and forced Hugo Jr to blink? ( Which is what happened ) Oh wait.....that didn't happen under Bush, did it ?

Wake the hell up.

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What was it that Bush did, again? Oh yeah - he simply PAID reporters from "friendly" sources to run stories that his White House fed them. And then refused access to anyone not on board with his agenda. (Which is what happened).

Were you in a coma for the last eight years, or did you just have your head up your ass? Never mind, I already know the answer.





Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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p.s. - There's a REASON why we wave and raise up the flags we do. It's to proclaim our profound respect in what they stand for, and to express to all what it is that we truly believe. REAL Americans, who care about freedom, and aren't mindlessly yapping out some trumped up, astroturffed campaign slogan. But TRUE ideals, which were the basis of this great nation.

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Hell, for that matter, what the fuck ARE "SEIU thugs"? I think they're an invention of the right, made up out of thin air as some phony bogeyman to scare people with.

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Which "TRUE ideals" are you standing up for when you advocate torture?

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How about when you endorse murdering someone without charging them or trying them first?

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What about your astroturfed campaign slogans like "Mission Accomplished!" and "Stay the Course!" and "Let's Roll!"?

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Which "TRUE ideals" are you standing up for when you advocate torture?

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That never happened.

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How about when you endorse murdering someone without charging them or trying them first?

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Like how Barry ordered the pirates of the Marsk Alabama to be shot ?

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Nice try - you're trying to compare people actually killed IN THE ACT OF PIRACY with people kidnapped, tortured, and in some cases murdered, who it turns out had nothing to do with terrorism whatsoever. You truly are a fucking moron.

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What about your astroturfed campaign slogans like "Mission Accomplished!" and "Stay the Course!" and "Let's Roll!"?

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Now you're just making shit up, which is really sad. 1 sign on a US carrier, something Bush said a w/ regards to Iraq and what, a heroic phrase Todd Beamer uttered as an act of bravery and defiance during the 9/11 attacks? Those aren't anywhere NEAR the 'astro turffed' crap that the PR machine Obama Inc came up with, specifically during and FOR his campaign. Please. You're embarrassing yourself.

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And they were repeated over and over by the right as part of their phony astroturfed "patriotism".


Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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No, they're SEIU thugs alright. You continue to " play " stupid.

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Wait - are you saying that Danny Glover is an official "SIEU thug" now?

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Wait - are you saying that Danny Glover is an official "SIEU thug" now?

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Just proving you wrong. Again.

Too easy.

Simon longs for your postings, no doubt. Run along.

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No, they're SEIU thugs alright.

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