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Saturday, April 24, 2010 6:18 AM
WHOZIT
Saturday, April 24, 2010 6:58 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:After last week's episode of the Comedy Central series sparked a threat (and yes, it was certainly a threat) from a radical Islamic website, the network has cracked-down-for-their-own-good on creators Trey Parker and Matt Stone during last night's continuation of the show's storyline. For those who missed the drama, the show's 200th episode last week mocked the one "celebrity" that the series has been largely unable to depict, the Prophet Muhammad, who was hidden from view in a bear costume. A U.S.-based website RevolutionMuslim.com then warned Parker and Stone they could end up like Theo Van Gogh (the Dutch filmmaker who was murdered by Muslim extremists after depicting Muhammad on his show) and even posted the address of the show's production office. The site has since been shut down.
Quote:A U.S. Muslim group has issued a dire Internet "warning" to creators of "South Park" over a depiction of the Prophet Muhammad in a bear outfit. "We have to warn Matt (Stone) and Trey (Parker) that what they are doing is stupid and they will probably wind up like Theo Van Gogh for airing this show," said a posting on website RevolutionMuslim.com. The website posted a graphic photo of slain Dutch filmmaker Theo Van Gogh, who was killed in 2004 by an Islamic militant over a movie he made that accused Islam of condoning violence against women. It also posted a link to a news article with details of a mansion in Colorado that Parker and Stone apparently own, suggesting the web posters know where to find the "South Park" creators.
Quote:The “King Kong of KC society extravaganzas” we wrote, calling it “Kansas City’s don’t ask/don’t tell answer to the centuries-old English landed aristocracy’s custom of making certain that daughters of marriageable age were married off within a very small circle of suitable suitors.” Whereupon Spivak whipped out her journalistic chainsaw… “What I find fascinating is that so many Jewel Ball-goers continue to be captivated when there are three generations of one family present at the ball, or when cousins are both in the ball, or when the male escorts are related to the female debs,” she boldly wrote. “Considering the ball has consisted of basically the same families for the last 52 years, by now that should be a given, don’t you think? And when a new-money family is lucky enough to be included, I feel a bit sorry for them because they don’t really know many people at the ball.” It took guts for Spivak to lay down those critical thoughts, given her job of covering thin-skinned socialites required an elevated schmooze level to insure access. The Jewel Ball’s knee-jerk response to our critique: they banned us from last summer’s ball. “Omigosh last year when they weren’t going to let me cover the ball, they were saying that we were banned from the ball because of our column we wrote,” Spivak told me last June. “You know if Hearne Christopher is ever seen at the Jewel Ball he will be escorted out or something crazy like that.”
Saturday, April 24, 2010 7:28 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Quote:After last week's episode of the Comedy Central series sparked a threat (and yes, it was certainly a threat) from a radical Islamic website, the network has cracked-down-for-their-own-good on creators Trey Parker and Matt Stone during last night's continuation of the show's storyline. For those who missed the drama, the show's 200th episode last week mocked the one "celebrity" that the series has been largely unable to depict, the Prophet Muhammad, who was hidden from view in a bear costume. A U.S.-based website RevolutionMuslim.com then warned Parker and Stone they could end up like Theo Van Gogh (the Dutch filmmaker who was murdered by Muslim extremists after depicting Muhammad on his show) and even posted the address of the show's production office. The site has since been shut down. http://livefeed.hollywoodreporter.com/2010/04/south-park-censorship-.html The death threat:Quote:A U.S. Muslim group has issued a dire Internet "warning" to creators of "South Park" over a depiction of the Prophet Muhammad in a bear outfit. "We have to warn Matt (Stone) and Trey (Parker) that what they are doing is stupid and they will probably wind up like Theo Van Gogh for airing this show," said a posting on website RevolutionMuslim.com. The website posted a graphic photo of slain Dutch filmmaker Theo Van Gogh, who was killed in 2004 by an Islamic militant over a movie he made that accused Islam of condoning violence against women. It also posted a link to a news article with details of a mansion in Colorado that Parker and Stone apparently own, suggesting the web posters know where to find the "South Park" creators. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3i76c0f8a6ea10f504b27bd5cf5def774c It's a viable threat, as they've shown in the past. I don't believe in censorship, but I understand the network's reasons. As to the Tea Partiers; dunno if you mean the censorship or the threats. If the threats, hell yeah, if they had the power, some of them would do likewise if they felt South Park was demeaning their god or pushing abortion. I don't watch the show, but I'll bet given what I know of it, they've had a go at Jesus and religion as well, and I have NO doubt it has resulted in death threats. Given nobody's actually gone after the creators, and that the Muslims HAVE killed for similar reasons, they're taken more seriously. The major difference is that the Muslim extremists are freer with the threats of violence and actual violence. If you mean the censorship, yes, they've done that too, the religious extremists among them. They've had entire movies censored which depicted Jesus in a way they didn't like already, so the comparison is illogical. You want examples of Tea Party censorship? How about censorship of news reporting:Quote:The “King Kong of KC society extravaganzas” we wrote, calling it “Kansas City’s don’t ask/don’t tell answer to the centuries-old English landed aristocracy’s custom of making certain that daughters of marriageable age were married off within a very small circle of suitable suitors.” Whereupon Spivak whipped out her journalistic chainsaw… “What I find fascinating is that so many Jewel Ball-goers continue to be captivated when there are three generations of one family present at the ball, or when cousins are both in the ball, or when the male escorts are related to the female debs,” she boldly wrote. “Considering the ball has consisted of basically the same families for the last 52 years, by now that should be a given, don’t you think? And when a new-money family is lucky enough to be included, I feel a bit sorry for them because they don’t really know many people at the ball.” It took guts for Spivak to lay down those critical thoughts, given her job of covering thin-skinned socialites required an elevated schmooze level to insure access. The Jewel Ball’s knee-jerk response to our critique: they banned us from last summer’s ball. “Omigosh last year when they weren’t going to let me cover the ball, they were saying that we were banned from the ball because of our column we wrote,” Spivak told me last June. “You know if Hearne Christopher is ever seen at the Jewel Ball he will be escorted out or something crazy like that.” http://www.kcconfidential.com/?p=2074 How about firing as a form of censorship? And how about the Tea Party people who essentially censored representatives from speaking to their constituents by disrupting town halls? That's "censorship". The South Park people are, by the way, not sweeping it under the rug; it's all over the news and internet. "I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Saturday, April 24, 2010 7:49 AM
Saturday, April 24, 2010 7:56 AM
CHRISISALL
Saturday, April 24, 2010 1:59 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Quote:Originally posted by chrisisall: Make fun of Buddha- do I care? No, because it doesn't threaten my beliefs in any way. Make fun of Moehammed, and crazy Larry & Curly Aziz feel like it threatens THEIR beliefs enough to kill over. Dumb stooges. The laughing Chrisisall
Saturday, April 24, 2010 2:02 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: idiotic religion and their bullshit god
Saturday, April 24, 2010 3:31 PM
Quote:Originally posted by chrisisall: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: idiotic religion and their bullshit god "Don't mince words bones, say what you really feel." The laughing Chrisisall
Saturday, April 24, 2010 3:33 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Well, y'know, I feel that way about ALL organized religions, because they've been responsible for such a great number of senseless deaths over the history of the human race...
Sunday, April 25, 2010 1:50 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Muslims who threaten violence, Xtians who threaten violence, Tea Partiers who threaten violence, Communists who threaten violence.... pisses me off.
Sunday, April 25, 2010 2:01 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Muslims who threaten violence, Xtians who threaten violence, Tea Partiers who threaten violence, Communists who threaten violence.... pisses me off. Funny you lump others in w/ the ones who actually carry OUT the violence. Only Muslims offer bounties on the heads of writers, or directors, or cartoonists, or pretty much anyone who dares to utter anything remotely unflattering ( in their eyes ) towards their religion. But should anyone print books or make movies about the assassination of a President ? Meh..... you're o.k. with that, huh? Hypocrisy central.
Sunday, April 25, 2010 2:02 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: You hold the copyright on hypocrisy. You claim you're against MOVIES about presidential assassinations, but you actively support ACTUAL presidential assassinations!
Sunday, April 25, 2010 2:14 AM
Sunday, April 25, 2010 2:27 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Really Rappy? What about the anti-abortionist who killed a doctor? The corporate heads who kill... millions, really?
Quote: YOUR problem. you stupid fucking dickwad, is that you can't see murder right in front of your eyes, when it's committed for "your" cause.
Quote: I despair, I really do, that you'll ever become even remotely objective about anything. Because you bring out different scales of judgment each and every time, suited not to offend your own prejudices. You're JUST LIKE the Taliban, really. And JUST LIKE the Taliban, you can't even see how much you resemble what you claim to be fighting.
Sunday, April 25, 2010 2:32 AM
Quote:Because there is non, I suppose. But I love how you feign indignation and hurl childish insults to try to divert attention away from the sheer hypocrisy. If anyone is blind, it's you.
Sunday, April 25, 2010 2:44 AM
Sunday, April 25, 2010 3:07 AM
Sunday, April 25, 2010 3:26 AM
Sunday, April 25, 2010 3:44 AM
Quote:Funny you lump others in w/ the ones who actually carry OUT the violence.
Sunday, April 25, 2010 3:46 AM
Sunday, April 25, 2010 3:47 AM
ECGORDON
There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: You're really crossing your wires here now. How did capitalism have anything to do w/ the Islamo-terrorists blowing up all those civilians ? Oh, that's right...it didn't.
Sunday, April 25, 2010 3:48 AM
Quote:In your world, jaywalking = mass murder.
Sunday, April 25, 2010 4:06 AM
Quote:Originally posted by ecgordon: Are you telling me that hundreds of years of the West (U.S., Britain, France, etc.) raping the rest of the world for its resources wasn't going to come back and bite us on the ass? I'm not saying that the actions of Al Quaida, the Taliban, or any other extremist group can be justified by reasoning, civilized peoples, but if for just one minute we try to see the world through their eyes we might figure out what they're so pissed about.
Sunday, April 25, 2010 4:11 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Quote:In your world, jaywalking = mass murder. So you'll see me an ad hominem and raise me a straw man? No, my point is that mass murder = mass murder. Shall we start tallying up HOW MANY people have been killed, and by whom? THAT might be a fruitful direction!
Sunday, April 25, 2010 4:25 AM
Quote:You falsely accuse the U.S. of mass murder ( and greatly exaggerate those #'s, btw ) while ignoring the real culprits. That's what pisses me off the most.
Sunday, April 25, 2010 4:56 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: You hold the copyright on hypocrisy. You claim you're against MOVIES about presidential assassinations, but you actively support ACTUAL presidential assassinations!
Sunday, April 25, 2010 4:59 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: If you ever evolve to a level where you can simply discuss an issue w/ out the childish, vulgar insults, w/ out the diversionary and inflammatory comparisons..... well, one can dream, I suppose.
Sunday, April 25, 2010 5:01 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: There hasn't been " hundreds of years " of the U.S. raping the world of resources. That's your first false hood. Second, you lump in the U.S. with Britain , France and the OLD WORLD colonial powers. WE WERE A FREAKING COLONY!! We don't colonize other nations !
Sunday, April 25, 2010 5:36 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Proof ?
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Proof ?
Sunday, April 25, 2010 5:38 AM
Sunday, April 25, 2010 6:10 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: There hasn't been " hundreds of years " of the U.S. raping the world of resources. That's your first false hood.
Sunday, April 25, 2010 6:19 AM
Quote:IT'S NOT OUR GORRAM FAULT!!
Sunday, April 25, 2010 7:11 AM
Quote:I feel that way about ALL organized religions, because they've been responsible for such a great number of senseless deaths over the history of the human race...
Quote: Are you telling me that hundreds of years of the West (U.S., Britain, France, etc.) raping the rest of the world for its resources wasn't going to come back and bite us on the ass? I'm not saying that the actions of Al Quaida, the Taliban, or any other extremist group can be justified by reasoning, civilized peoples, but if for just one minute we try to see the world through their eyes we might figure out what they're so pissed about.
Quote: A civil government was established by the Americans in 1901 with William H. Taft as the first civil governor of the Philippines. Filipinos were given greater participation in local governance and were appointed to several positions in government. An elected Filipino legislature was inaugurated in 1907 and a bicameral congress, with a Senate and House of Representatives in 1916. Members to the elected legislature lost no time to lobby for immediate and complete independence from the United States. Several independence missions were sent. At the end of the Spanish-American War, under the terms of the Treaty of Paris (1898), Spain ceded the Philippines to the United States in exchange for 20 million United States dollars. When it became clear to the natives that American forces intended to occupy and control the country, revolts broke out. [ Sadly, the cause for the war to start was the killing of a Filipino soldier when he was told to Halt at an American checkpoint. Though Aguinaldo communicated for a ceasefire with the Americans, this was the "incident" that they were waiting for to take over the Philippines ] At a constitutional convention held against the wishes of American authorities, Aguinaldo was declared President of the Philippines Republic - and declared to be an "outlaw bandit" by the McKinley Administration. The US refused to recognize any Philippine right to self-government, and on February 4, 1899, Aguinaldo declared war against the United States for denying them independence.
Quote: Finley suggested at the inaugural meeting of an African Society that a colony be established in Africa to take free people, most of whom had been born free, away from the United States. Finley meant to colonize "(with their consent) the free people of color residing in our country, in Africa, or such other place as Congress may deem most expedient." The organization established branches throughout the United States. It was instrumental in the establishment and founding the country of Liberia. They established a settlement at Mesurado Bay on an island they named Perseverance. The native Africans resisted the expansion of the settlers resulting in many armed conflicts. Nevertheless, in the next decade 2,638 former slaves migrated to the area. Also, the colony entered an agreement with the U.S. Government to accept freed slaves captured from slave ships interdicted en route to and in American waters. During the next 20 years the colony continued to grow and establish economic stability. Since the establishment of the colony, the ACS employed white agents to govern the colony.
Quote:Americans stole the Hawaiian land from the Kanaka Maoli (Native Hawaiians). The effects of American Imperialism have been seen in history ever since the English settled in Jamestown and their encounter with the Native Americans. From this, America expanded by constantly conquering other natives. A group of American and European politicians and businessmen created a "Committee of Safety" and overthrew Queen Liliuokalani, in 1893. The committee set up what they called a "Provisional Government." Sanford B. Dole, who later became the founder of "Dole Foods", claimed himself president until Hawaii was annexed by the United States.
Quote:Anglo-American colonization in Mexican Texas took place between 1821 and 1835. The Imperial Colonization Law specified that colonists must be Catholic, so Austin's first 300 families were affected. The 1824 National Colonization Law and the 1825 Coahuila and Texas State Colonization Law said only that foreigners must be Christian and abide by the laws of the nation, thereby implying they would be members of the established church. The state colonization law detailed how to apply for land, how much would be given to heads of families, including females or single persons, and the fees to be paid.
Sunday, April 25, 2010 7:52 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Sorry, that's a name. Not proof. Proof would include me ever advocating the shooting of OUR President, which was the subject discussed, in context. You're interjecting ( for lack of any real evidence ) an individual which is universally viewed as a brutal dictator.
Quote: But should anyone print books or make movies about the assassination of a President ? Meh..... you're o.k. with that, huh?
Sunday, April 25, 2010 7:55 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: What Comedy Central was too chicken $hit to air....
Sunday, April 25, 2010 9:39 AM
Sunday, April 25, 2010 1:52 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Kwickie, clearly the discussion was in reference to U.S. Presidents, mainly Bush ( when the kook fringe Left made movies and wrote books about W ) and Obama, ( which, to date, hasn't had any books or movies written about his assassination. Good idea, w/ Biden as VP ) . Stop being such a dick. Nothing is being changed. All that's happening is your attempted to squirm out of yet another corner you've painted yourself into.
Sunday, April 25, 2010 2:13 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: What Comedy Central was too chicken $hit to air.... Actually, I have a feeling they didn't air that cartoon because (a) it's not South Park, and (b) it's not even mildly humorous, much less actually FUNNY. Really, Krod Mandoon is funnier than that weak tea. Mike "I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
Sunday, April 25, 2010 2:57 PM
Monday, April 26, 2010 8:42 AM
Quote:In Western society, interracial marriages were considered taboo and anathema until the advent of the civil rights movement just a few decades ago. This was also the case in Pre-Islamic Arabia, a time known as the Age of Ignorant Barbarism (Jahiliyyah). The white-skinned Arabs looked down on marrying blacks, especially slaves. Yet, Prophet Muhammad ibn Abdullah sought to remove these prejudices from the white society he lived in, and encouraged interracial marriages. The Prophet of Islam encouraged a female in his own family, Zaynab bint Jahsh, to marry a black man, i.e. Zayd ibn Haritha. Zaynab’s brother refused to give her away in marriage on the grounds that Zayd was a freed black slave, whereas she was an aristocratic white-skinned Arab woman of noble lineage. Yet, the Prophet of Islam rejected this attitude of bigotry and insisted that Zaynab marry Zayd based on his piety and good character. The family continually refused until God revealed the following verse of the Quran: It is not becoming of a believing man or woman, once God and His Messenger have decreed an affair, to have an option to follow their own choice. (Quran, 33:36) After this verse was revealed, the family relented, and the two were married.
Quote:Interracial Marriage and Islam: No matter your background, an interracial marriage will be met with obstacles on both sides. It is especially the case for the generation of people whose parents were immigrants, and they themselves were raised here. To even broach the idea of an interracial marriage will spring forth 100 year old stereotypes of other cultures you never even knew existed. It is particularly sad when these are directed at other Muslim groups. For example, a Pakistani trying to marry an Arab will no doubt hear many “Arabs are this…” or “Arabs are that…” type of comments. The obstacles are often great. Many families are not accepting of such marriages, and many face great difficulties in pursuing them. The hardest part is breaking stereotypes that people have formed, or been brought up with. These are literally ideologies they may have held for the vast majority of their lives.
Monday, April 26, 2010 10:14 AM
STORYMARK
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Muslims who threaten violence, Xtians who threaten violence, Tea Partiers who threaten violence, Communists who threaten violence.... pisses me off. Funny you lump others in w/ the ones who actually carry OUT the violence. Only Muslims offer bounties on the heads of writers, or directors, or cartoonists, or pretty much anyone who dares to utter anything remotely unflattering ( in their eyes ) towards their religion. But should anyone print books or make movies about the assassination of a President ? Meh..... you're o.k. with that, huh? Hypocrisy central. Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!" Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."
Monday, April 26, 2010 10:18 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Kwickie, clearly the discussion was in reference to U.S. Presidents, mainly Bush ( when the kook fringe Left made movies and wrote books about W )
Quote:and Obama, ( which, to date, hasn't had any books or movies written about his assassination. Good idea, w/ Biden as VP ) .
Quote:Stop being such a dick.
Monday, April 26, 2010 12:39 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: Shouldn't you be supporting that film about assassinating Bush then? You know, supporting freedom and not being the hypocrite you love to accuse others of being? Works both ways boy.
Monday, April 26, 2010 1:04 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: Shouldn't you be supporting that film about assassinating Bush then? You know, supporting freedom and not being the hypocrite you love to accuse others of being? Works both ways boy.
Tuesday, April 27, 2010 7:32 AM
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