For or against it ? by AURaptor

Israel? For.

A lot of my relatives were killed in the holocaust because there was nowhere for them to go where they would be taken in. Everyone needs a homeland.

So, yes, I support palestine too, this mess was dreamed up in London, where the aftereffects were ignored by the people in power, even though it was widely discussed and well known. If they weren't all a bunch of religious nuts, they wouldn't be clinging to this piece of essentially desert, but it is what it is now.

Oh, and I'm skeptical of the Hezbollah comment. Unfortunate if it's real. I tend to think of the hyper zionists as kind of whiners, and I don't cut them a lot of slack. Anyone on the Muslim side of this one has to know that the zionist portion of the globalism agenda is not being set in Israel, but in new York and london.

Judaism, of course, is an idea, and not a set of DNA, and the idea is unlikely to be killed by killing lots of Jews. But, yes, the idea that Israel is a target has occurred to me before, but not enough of a reason not to do it. Jews were a target king before there was an israel.

The Palestinian issue is an equally important one. I think a one state solution could work, having Israel be half Palestinian would help keep the religious nut jobs on both side in check, and allow both peoples access to the whole country that both feel is theirs. If I were appointed god here, I'd also make it so thar any laws passed by the joint govt require at least a 2/3 majority so that it would have to have both Jewish and muslim approval.

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 4:02 PM

CHRISISALL

Sorry DT; not black & white enough- try again!

The AU-ish Chrisisall

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 4:20 PM

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DT - What about the quote was ambiguous to you ?

It was clear enough for me. The key word was " hunt ". You don't hunt anything to ask it for tea and crumpets. You do so to kill it. And that's what was being presented..... get all the Jews in 1 place so you don't have to look all over the globe....

The student stated clearly that she was " for it ", meaning she was for the HUNTING of Jews all in one place.

I find such an admission chilling.

Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 4:27 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

Nuke all the Juice. Let Molech sort em out.

Israel Founded Two of Its Own Worst Enemies—Hamas and Hezbollah
http://www.prisonplanet.com/news_alert_hamas2.html

Mossad linked to 9/11 attacks
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/mossad_link_found_169.html
http://aljazeera.com/news/articles/34/Mossad_linked_to_9_11_attacks_Re
port_.html

Dead In The Water - The Israeli Sinking of the USS Liberty
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3319663041501647311

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 4:49 PM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

What if there were a place where all the "(militant) Islam" followers gathered? Would you hunt them down all in one place? For it or against it?

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 5:04 PM

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

Absolutely surreal. Like something off of Derren Brown, the way he shouted and then she leaned in obligingly to give him that answer.

Unreal, and I think it's a real problem. Then again, let's sort out that fucking Mid-East conflict where Israel is far from guiltless.

Heads should roll

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 5:37 PM

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The way she answered early on, w/ the reference to the cross, was curious. I got what she meant, as she spelled out, later on, but why would a muslim even want to make that remark ? Was it a snarky nod about the Jews killing Christ ? ( which is wrong for so many reasons, it requires its own thread )

I really think she knew she was in over her head, and thought her only " out " was to resort to some sort of tactical elocution contest, where she could b.s. her way out of answering a simple question. I could just see her mind reeling at trying NOT to answer... she literally out thought herself, because she was reading far too much into every word to see the simplicity of what was being asked. The phony " I can't answer, or HLS will come get me " was her being too cute by half. It didn't sell very well, or at all.

Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 5:42 PM

For it or against it?

Here's another one.

California GOP candidate Brad "Hermann" Goehring posted this comment:

"If I could issue hunting permits, I would officially declare today opening day on liberals. The season would extend through November 2 and have no limits on how many taken as we desperately need to thin the herd."

For it or against it?

Oooh - here's another one:

Hate-talker Rush Limbaugh had this to say about the Democratic party:

"We need to defeat these bastards. We need to wipe them out."

For it or against it?

Will you condemn these people? As Horowitz said, if you don't condemn them, then you support them. Let's see where you stand. Is that a terrorist neckerchief you're wearing? (Maybe you're Roland Martin, and it's an ascot. In which case, your "ascot schooled" by Jon Stewart!)

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 5:46 PM

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Not playing your game, kwickie.

Go play with yourself.

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Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Thursday, May 13, 2010 7:18 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Awww, it suddenly doesn't wanna play when the same rules apply equally to both sides, does it now ?

Poor little pathetic critter.

-F

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Friday, May 14, 2010 12:31 AM

Phooey. You made me watch the Horowitz video now. It's easier to defend his position if you don't actually have to see him ooze slime like a smarmy Cheney.

She was pretty clearly supporting Hamas, not the killing of Jews.

Horowitz, get a gorram clue, man. She supports her own democratically elected majority party, so what? Also, what's up with the mixing of Hamas and Hezbollah? One is a Sunni political party, the other is a Shiia NGO, they basically have nothing in common outside of you wanting to kill them.

Can I oppose David Horowitz? I have no problem doing that.

As for how I reconcile that with supporting israel, easily: these neocons are going to get everyone killed, just like their predecessors did in WWII. I mean seriously, does Horowitz think that he's the opposition to extremist ideology? That's pretty damn delusional if you ask me. The guy is a serious racist, radical military imperialist, and has supported some question groups in the past. Also, he sends me spam. That's enough to tick off the good humor man.

Sorry, Rap if we aren't corralled into you specific interpretations of things.

Also, didn't he say some pretty derogatory things about the MSA? Anyone care to post them?

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Friday, May 14, 2010 12:34 AM

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Only the same rules aren't being applied here, not even a little.

Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Friday, May 14, 2010 12:42 AM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Phooey. You made me watch the video now.

She was pretty clearly supporting Hamas, not the killing of Jews.

Then she had every opportunity to say exactly that, but she chose not to. In fact, she chose to say she was FOR that specific quote, 'bout hunting down the Jews.

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Horowitz, get a gorram clue, man. She supports her own democratically elected majority party, so what? Also, what's up with the mixing of Hamas and Hezbollah? One is a Sunni political party, the other is a Shiia NGO, they basically have nothing in common outside of you wanting to kill them.
Both want to kill the Jews, and that was the point. As noted by Horowitz, he's dealt with these MSA members before. The student really was up against it.

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Can I oppose David Horowitz? I have no problem doing that.

As for how I reconcile that with supporting Israel, easily: these neocons are going to get everyone killed, just like their predecessors did in WWII. I mean seriously, does Horowitz think that he's the opposition to extremist ideology? That's pretty damn delusional if you ask me. The guy is a serious racist, radical military imperialist, and has supported some question groups in the past. Also, he sends me spam. That's enough to tick off the good humor man.

Sorry, Rap if we aren't corralled into you specific interpretations of things.

Also, didn't he say some pretty derogatory things about the MSA? Anyone care to post them?

I'm pretty sure that one side of the Muslim / Jew equation has stated they want to annihilate the other, and it's not the Jews who have made it their life's mission, damn near their public motto, to do so.

You keep tossing around that word "racism", and yet use it so incorrectly. There's zero racism going on here. At worst, it's bigotry, but I"d debate as to it even being that. I'd call it simply a survivalist personality. Folks try to kill you, you kill them right back, as your good captain once said.

Yes, he said some unflattering things about the MSA. He knows who these folk are. This ain't his first rodeo.

Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Friday, May 14, 2010 12:56 AM

Ah, here's some update, aside from calling the MSA a terrorist organization and the Jihad on campus, he had just referred to their meeting as "Hitler youth week" which is why the student makes that remark, and what she is responding to. Kind of puts things in perspective.

To find this I had to read more rantings of a mad Horowitz.

Also this, David,, dude, please do not preach about the holocaust on my behalf or anyone else's. You're not a holocaust survivor, and when my ancestors were being executed, your parents were living it up in the USA and pushing for communist revolution. I guess the nut doesn't fall that far from the tree, does it?

Maybe, just maybe, you're not the victim. Just saying is all. And oh, if you have spigots err I mean spy bots no autocorrect please, then as I was saying... stop spamming me.

Ps. Hey, I have a solution to this problem. Let's take the neocons and the Muslim extremists and put them together in a cage match, and let the rest of us go about our lives.

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Friday, May 14, 2010 1:08 AM

Rap

She doesn't scare me. He otoh is a little creepy. I've met lots of Muslims, I see some regularly, I know some jihadists, even as friends. Curiously, they don't kill me.

Okay, at times jihadists say some stupid things, but then again, so do Israelis, Jews, and neocons.

I wasn't saying that he was being racist here, but that David Horowitz is a racist, again, not his first rodeo on that one, he's been called a racist lots of times. Perhaps that's because he opposes black people, and oh yeah, also Arabs. Particularly dark skinned Arabs, they're the worst, I know, he said so. Seriously. It's like a rag head with a drop of picaniinny, oh for gods sake, is there s reason we have to put up with this schmuck?

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Friday, May 14, 2010 1:29 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Not playing your game, kwickie.

Is it because you're a coward, or because you lack intellectual honesty, or both?

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Friday, May 14, 2010 3:23 AM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Rap

She doesn't scare me. He otoh is a little creepy. I've met lots of Muslims, I see some regularly, I know some jihadists, even as friends. Curiously, they don't kill me.

It's VERY creepy, in fact. I met a very nice Muslim woman today, and even held the door open for her, to which she thanked me. I'd be very surprised if that lady shared such specific views with the student in the video.

One might be able to dismiss the MSA girl for being youthful and full of idealogical fervor, but that's being over kind. She did seem some what intelligent and articulate ( yeah, I know, she's a college student, but still.... )

Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Friday, May 14, 2010 4:08 AM

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What was most creepy for me was the calmness. And the way she just wanted to carry on pressing her question, like she hadn't said anything genocidal.

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I met a very nice Muslim woman today, and even held the door open for her,

That doesn't sound right for you Auraptor. Are you sure you weren't using that moment as a chance to flash your concealed weapon to deter her from trying something?

Heads should roll

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Friday, May 14, 2010 4:42 AM

Double post

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Friday, May 14, 2010 4:42 AM

Kpo,

The missing ingredient is that Horowitz is a commie creep, no offense to any other commies present, I'm sure they'd agree with me. He elicits this response by his racist and inflammatory rhetoric, such as directly before her response, when he called her organization the hitler youth.

Rap

Gimme a break, the msa is a student organization, and like so many, including zbt and twa, they are "the group of you" for anyone who doesn't fit into an activity based group. It's common, it's unscary, and the student is not scary.

Maybe Horowitz's problem is that he never met any actual nazis, and was never in an actual situation where people were actually shooting at him, and so his years have given him no perspective on life. This comes across loud and clear when you read his stuff or watch him. He's the same sort of chicken hawk as the rest of the neocon crowd, sitting their all smug and self satisfied telling the human race what is wrong with it.

I think it's worthy of note that he is afraid of a student. IMHO,that's pathetic. He is so afraid of her that he will not let her speak because he's afraid that she might say something to sabotage the picture that he has just painted of her.

Oh, and feel free to point out where the student said something genocidal. She supports Hamas, so what? I would think if she's a palestinian, she might be disloyal not to support them, I mean, think about it this way:

None of us support Obama, but if it were to come to a case of supporting Obama or Osama, and you had to actively fund one or the other, which would it be?

So, think of a young Palestinian or Lebanese student or whatever she is, and you have a choice between supporting Hamas, the democratically elected leader of your people, or supporting David Horowitz, a well known racist who has repeatedly called for the annihilation and oppression of your people?

People support there own, BFD. Oh, and this just in: dog bites man.

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Friday, May 14, 2010 5:47 AM

“Black people should be appreciative of slavery because they got a chance to be a part of America, otherwise they’d still be savages.” -David Horowitz.

Jes soes you know who your supporting here. I can keep this up all day, hell, I'm just getting warmed up

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Friday, May 14, 2010 6:33 AM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
“Black people should be appreciative of slavery because they got a chance to be a part of America, otherwise they’d still be savages.” -David Horowitz.

Jes soes you know who your supporting here. I can keep this up all day, hell, I'm just getting warmed up

Hello,

So they are both creepy, then? The speaker and the student?

That seems fair.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Friday, May 14, 2010 6:39 AM

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“Black people should be appreciative of slavery because they got a chance to be a part of America, otherwise they’d still be savages.” -David Horowitz.

Thanks for that, very interesting quote.

I don't say I like the guy, to me it seems he's an idiot who happens to be right here. See it as supporting the truth (or my view of it), rather than supporting the douchebag who happens to have a grip on it.

Heads should roll

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Friday, May 14, 2010 7:01 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Quote:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Ps. Hey, I have a solution to this problem. Let's take the neocons and the Muslim extremists and put them together in a cage match, and let the rest of us go about our lives.

Oh how I WISH...

-F

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Friday, May 14, 2010 7:17 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

The rules are the same, Crappy. If it's okay to go after someone saying all Muslims want to wipe out the Jews, the equivalent is others saying they want to wipe out liberals...because one or two people say it, it doesn't make it true of all, and because they say it doesn't make it reason to kill others.

That statement is a very old dog, brought up by everyone who wants to justify killing Muslims and incite others to hate them. It's still true for some, no doubt, but as you said, many people don't think that way. What a few people say is never justification for killing others, much as you'd like it to be.

Given what you posit, we should go after everyone in the Tea Party or all Conservatives or all Republicans because a few of them have said what amounts to "kill all liberals". The woman who wanted a Democrat hung could be added to the list...does that mean we should kill them?

It's a stupid trick by a bigoted, stupid fanatic. End of story. Luckily I didn't have to watch the video to get the jist of it, because I wouldn't anyway, given it's Horowitz. The student in question is obviously also a blind bigot, and I won't need to watch HER creepiness either to know where she comes from.

I like the cage match idea; both sides represent fanatics with no conscience, no sense of responsibility, and no other desire than to fire people up.

"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Friday, May 14, 2010 7:29 AM

So I take it everyone is okay with Horowitz calling the Muslim students org "Hitler youth" , that might in now way set someone off?

Jes soes we're clear.

Eta: Niki, it's short, and the smarm doesn't stick. Okay, maybe just little

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Friday, May 14, 2010 7:58 AM

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So I take it everyone is okay with Horowitz calling the Muslim students org "Hitler youth" , that might in now way set someone off?

Jes soes we're clear.

Eta: Niki, it's short, and the smarm doesn't stick. Okay, maybe just little

I'm not okay with it. Again, it's a bullshit setup of a question. He badgers the girl, belittles her, all but calls her a terrorist, antagonizes her, and she lashes out. Go figure.

I can support the legitimacy of the democratically elected government called Hamas, WITHOUT supporting the statements of a few that they'd like to wipe out the Jews. I can support the right of Israel to exist, without supporting their murderous rampages and war crimes against Palestinians in Gaza. The two positions are NOT mutually exclusive.

You nailed it earlier, Dream, with your comparison about hating Obama, but hating Osama more. If you phrase it in such a way that if you dislike Obama, you're supporting Osama, that's what Horowitz is doing here. I can disagree with them both, but dislike Osama more. It's allowed. It's not an all-or-nothing, with-us-or-against-us proposition.

Horowitz is a scumbag, and he makes me sympathize more with the girl he's berating, even though I don't necessarily agree with her positions.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Friday, May 14, 2010 8:00 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Ps. Hey, I have a solution to this problem. Let's take the neocons and the Muslim extremists and put them together in a cage match, and let the rest of us go about our lives.

Oh how I WISH...

-F

Yeah, but that's only because you've already got your Frem's House of Pitchforks and Torches franchise set up. Wait for me - I'm setting up Mike's Tar and Feathers Emporium just down the road! Now all we need is Dream and Niki to set up the ticket booths, and we'll be ready to go. "Two extremist groups enter; one extremist group leaves."

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Friday, May 14, 2010 8:44 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

I'm on board!

"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Friday, May 14, 2010 8:51 AM

We can sell weapons and armor.

Personally, my money's on the Jihadist, but only because all the neocons are like 80 and have heart conditions.

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Friday, May 14, 2010 8:55 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Well, if it were a battle of placards...

"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Friday, May 14, 2010 9:36 AM

Mike: He does make you sympathize with the jihadette, which you would not otherwise do. I've seen people blow it like this a lot. They're so sure they're right, that they just tear into the opposition.

In this case, he has 50years on her, and yet he's failed to master talking with other humans. Its a pretty common neocon failing. Ive notice bill crystal has gotten better at it over the years, but hasn't lost his smarm.

Remember. You can lose a quark you don't girth.

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Friday, May 14, 2010 10:10 AM

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Horowitz is a scumbag, and he makes me sympathize more with the girl he's berating

He wasn't the most likeable of people in the discourse above but I don't know where your sympathy for the 'berated' genocidal antisemite comes in.

She vindicated all of his dismissive 'terrorist' and 'Hitler Youth' derision with her calm, genocidally anti-semitic answer. All he did was call it out for everyone's attention.

Heads should roll

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Friday, May 14, 2010 10:21 AM

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Hello,

I do think the mad genocidists of the world could do a much better job. I don't understand why they are so ineffective in their oratories.

For instance, she could have said, "No. I think we should round them all up into ghettos, hem them in with armed guards and walls, and control their access to utilities. And we should name the ghetto 'Palestine.'

I suppose one is to be grateful that evil is also often stunningly foolish.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

"You can lose a quark you don't girth." -Dreamtrove's words to live by, translated by Ipad

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Friday, May 14, 2010 11:11 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Oh, my Anthony, WELL DONE!

"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Friday, May 14, 2010 11:25 AM

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Originally posted by kpo:
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Horowitz is a scumbag, and he makes me sympathize more with the girl he's berating

He wasn't the most likeable of people in the discourse above but I don't know where your sympathy for the 'berated' genocidal antisemite comes in.

She vindicated all of his dismissive 'terrorist' and 'Hitler Youth' derision with her calm, genocidally anti-semitic answer. All he did was call it out for everyone's attention.

Heads should roll

Well, scumbags like Horowitz and the Israeli soldiers smiling while wearing their "2 for 1" t-shirts showing a pregnant Palestinian woman in a riflescope's sights don't really do a lot to sell me on the idea that THEY aren't calm and genocidal, either.

Well, except that they aren't calm about it.

There seem to be plenty enough scumbags to go around on both sides.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Friday, May 14, 2010 11:27 AM

Kpo,

I disagree with that reading, I think she was trying to say she supported Hamas, which was the question, the inference that you read was intentional on his part, but went over the student's head, at least, that's how I read the exchange.

I personally don't care for Hamas and wouldn't defend them, they are no small part of the problem, but I can see where a leader of a Muslim students group would be sacrificing her position to say thar she didn't support them.

As it is, shes undoubted a goner anyway, but I agree with mike, horowitz blew it, and created sympathy for the opponent.

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Friday, May 14, 2010 11:37 AM

FREMDFIRMA

For Anthony, and Niki, so she can steal it, heheh.

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Friday, May 14, 2010 1:16 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Thank'ee, Frem, but I don't save video clips most of the time. I like emoticons better, more generic, and I have several bowing figures.

Just don't get enough chance to use 'em!

"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Friday, May 14, 2010 1:21 PM

Technically speaking it's an animated Garth gif

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Friday, May 14, 2010 2:15 PM

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Amazing that the left and the MSM which seeks to find or implant racism and violence into the Tea Party movement is not all over items like this. The young lady, who represents a larger organization of Muslims - just advocated the second Jewish holocaust on an American campus and somehow this is not news? Somehow you don't hear the left decrying the violence and racial intolerance? Why is that?

Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Friday, May 14, 2010 2:35 PM

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Hello,

I'm pretty sure that the news frequently includes a fair share of angry jews and muslims talking about how they don't like one another. And services like CNN have 'talk back' or 'commentary' sections where the two slug it out in a public forum. How much more attention do you feel these yahoos need?

Closer to home, we have a person in our very community who advocates racism and violence regularly, and he represents a large number of aluminum foil enthusiasts.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

"You can lose a quark you don't girth." -Dreamtrove's words to live by, translated by Ipad

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Friday, May 14, 2010 2:43 PM

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advocated the second Jewish holocaust on an American campus and somehow this is not news?

I don't know that the incident is news - at the end of the day it's just what one woman thinks. As for the militant islamic trend that she is representative of - is that not reported on?

I'll bet it is reported on and people are conscious of it just not ENOUGH for your liking.

Heads should roll

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Friday, May 14, 2010 2:47 PM

America loves a winner!

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Hello,

I'm pretty sure that the news frequently includes a fair share of angry jews and muslims talking about how they don't like one another. And services like CNN have 'talk back' or 'commentary' sections where the two slug it out in a public forum. How much more attention do you feel these yahoos need?

Closer to home, we have a person in our very community who advocates racism and violence regularly, and he represents a large number of aluminum foil enthusiasts.

--Anthony

Hamas Principles
http://www.mideastweb.org/hamas.htm
The principles of the Hamas are stated in their Covenant or Charter, given in full below. Following are highlights.

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it." (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).

"The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Muslim generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. "

"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."

Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Friday, May 14, 2010 2:56 PM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

Thank you for the link to Hamas information. Very little new info there for me, but perhaps others will find it illuminating.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

"You can lose a quark you don't girth." -Dreamtrove's words to live by, translated by Ipad

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Friday, May 14, 2010 3:11 PM

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Amazing that the left and the MSM which seeks to find or implant racism and violence into the Tea Party movement is not all over items like this. The young lady, who represents a larger organization of Muslims - just advocated the second Jewish holocaust on an American campus and somehow this is not news? Somehow you don't hear the left decrying the violence and racial intolerance? Why is that?

For starters, I don't accept your statement. You say she "represents" a larger organization. Is she a spokesperson - officially - for MSA? Or is she a member of a group, speaking her opinion?

What would you have us do? Censor her free speech rights? Jail her? Torture her? Kill her? What's your solution? What's your plan?

Further, where is the right in decrying statements such as were posted by Dream, which were uttered by Horowitz himself, in which he claims that blacks should be grateful for slavery for bringing them here in the first place? Why don't you hear the right decrying the racism from Horowitz?

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Friday, May 14, 2010 3:15 PM

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:

Closer to home, we have a person in our very community who advocates racism and violence regularly, and he represents a large number of aluminum foil enthusiasts.

Yes, you're right, Anthony. And where was Rappy when PN was advocating the outright murder of Mexicans? Where is the outcry from the right? If you don't condemn him, after all, then clearly you support the murder of millions of innocent Mexicans!

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Friday, May 14, 2010 3:41 PM

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For starters, I don't accept your statement. You say she "represents" a larger organization. Is she a spokesperson - officially - for MSA? Or is she a member of a group, speaking her opinion?

Watch the video. She identifies herself as a member of the MSA, on more than 1 occasion.

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What would you have us do? Censor her free speech rights? Jail her? Torture her? Kill her? What's your solution? What's your plan?

She seems to want to censor herself more than anyone. I posted this video here, for all to see. I don't think there needs to be a " solution ", but only to know what it is that " these people " are saying. Now that you know, you can't claim you were never told.

Do with the information what you will.

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Further, where is the right in decrying statements such as were posted by Dream, which were uttered by Horowitz himself, in which he claims that blacks should be grateful for slavery for bringing them here in the first place? Why don't you hear the right decrying the racism from Horowitz?

Mike

Why should the "right " decry what Horowitz says? If anyone, fellow Jews should chime in, if they feel the need. Technically speaking, he IS right, of course. Blacks here have a far better standard of living , statistically speaking, than their distant relations back in Africa.

I can't agree that his remarks are "racist". Blacks ( just as the Jews were, at one time ) were slaves. It's a matter of fact. Insensitive and callous, I'd call those remarks, but not racist.

I think it'd be fair to ask Mr Horowitz if the Jews feel "lucky" after having been slaves in Egypt. 40 years of wandering in the desert, and then clear sailing after that, huh?

Not so much.

Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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