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2) The ready availability of US firearms to criminals in Mexico.

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The exact numbers and types of weapons the cartels posses are still unknown, but vast arrays have been confiscated including: AK-47 assault rifles, AR-15 semi-automatic rifles, fragmentation grenades, M4 Carbines with M203 grenade launchers, various .50 caliber rifles, machine guns and light anti-tank rockets. According to reports, 90 percent of all the firearms that could be traced came from the United States. Many of them were purchased legally.

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Not too sure that's correct. Per the article cited.

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The exact numbers and types of weapons the cartels posses are still unknown, but vast arrays have been confiscated including: AK-47 assault rifles, AR-15 semi-automatic rifles, fragmentation grenades, M4 Carbines with M203 grenade launchers, various .50 caliber rifles, machine guns and light anti-tank rockets. According to reports, 90 percent of all the firearms that could be traced came from the United States. Many of them were purchased legally.

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You can't legally purchase M4 carbines with grenade launchers, fragmentation grenades, or anti-tank rockets in the U.S. Purchase of fully automatic weapons in the U.S. requires all sorts of Federal background checks. AK-47s are available anywhere in the world for a few hundred bucks. I'd wager that most of the arms the cartels have can't be traced to anywhere, so the "90 percent of all the firearms that could be traced came from the United States" quote is pretty much propaganda.



"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Hello,

Golf ball launchers, like potato launchers, are fun.

Just like guns in general, incidentally. Many the aluminum can, melon, and paper target has succumbed to my violent attentions.

Use them responsibly, but don't be afraid to enjoy the process.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

"You can lose a quark you don't girth." -Dreamtrove's words to live by, translated by Ipad

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Hello,

Golf ball launchers, like potato launchers, are fun.

Just like guns in general, incidentally. Many the aluminum can, melon, and paper target has succumbed to my violent attentions.

Use them responsibly, but don't be afraid to enjoy the process.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

"You can lose a quark you don't girth." -Dreamtrove's words to live by, translated by Ipad

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Gotta agree with that. My buddy was looking for some stripped AR15 lowers. He just built up a brand new "off the books" AR15 with no records on it at all, from parts he bought legally and off the books. He put less than $600 into the built, total. We took it to the range Sunday, where it was putting every round in a 30-round magazine inside a 2" circle on open sights at 75 yds. I was quite impressed. My Saiga was quite jealous. :)

I was searching for a decent little something at the gun show, but didn't see anything that caught me eye. At least, nothing that wasn't hideously overpriced. This is an "alternative" gun show that was set up as a counterprotest against the Austin Police Department's unofficial "policy" at the longtime Saxet Gun Show, where APD started insisting that EVERYBODY selling or buying must go through the background check, and must pay for the privilege. I've no problem doing the background check, but if they're going to insist on it even for person-to-person private sellers, they really should offer the service for free.

So as a result, that show folded, at least here in Austin, and a new "under the radar" show was set up, where every booth has a sign that says "Private Sale: No background checks, No FFL fees, No paperwork!" Which creeps me out, to a degree. We immediately dubbed it "The Convicted Felons' Gun Show". And while I don't mind buying a gun with out a paper trail, I don't feel the need to pay $475 for a $150 Tokarev 7.62x25mm Soviet-era semi-auto handgun. I'm not a big fan of gouging, no matter how you spin it. :)

But hey, if I feel the need for a Walther .22 with a suppressor, I know where to get one...

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Oh, and I did see a grenade launcher attachment for an M16/M4 for sale Saturday at the fun show - er, I mean GUN show. No grenades, though; that would be illegal. But you can get the launcher attachment. Not sure why anyone WOULD, but they're out there.

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You think there's any connection with the thread subject and your under the radar gun show with no background checks?

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You think there's any connection with the thread subject and your under the radar gun show with no background checks?

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Possibly, but it would be a tenuous connection at best.

1) There were more than a few feds and police in attendance. While they don't like it, they ARE rather powerless to stop it, and these are the folks who absolutely WILL push back, and the city really doesn't want to be embroiled in a protracted lawsuit that's going to cost them a fortune, and which they are going to lose anyway.

2) Believe it or not, there really weren't that many Hispanics in attendance. And the ones who were there were speaking English without any discernible accent. They *might* be illegals, out on a buying spree for the Mexican cartels, but they did a pretty good job of covering it up if they were.

3) If you want to put a stop to person-to-person sales, be my guest. Let's make it official, though, an apply it to everything. Adios eBay and Craigslist, because unregulated commerce might be occurring if you don't outlaw sites like that. No more want ads, and the only things you can buy must come from government-approved vendors and stores. Sound good? (By the way, I've already got all the legal precedent I need to do this: pharmacies are the only legal places to buy prescription drugs, and it's illegal to buy alcohol or tobacco from an unlicensed or unregulated seller, so we can apply those rules to ALL sales of everything, if you really want to go that route).


As has been pointed out, the illegals-at-the-gunshow ruse has been brought up again and again, and debunked just as often, yet it still keeps coming up. No matter what the "news" claims, you really can't buy machineguns at the gun show, and you can't buy rocket launchers or grenades, either. As Frem pointed out, you CAN buy a "grenade launcher", which is in reality nothing more than a flare gun attachment.

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3) If you want to put a stop to person-to-person sales, be my guest. Let's make it official, though, an apply it to everything. Adios eBay and Craigslist, because unregulated commerce might be occurring if you don't outlaw sites like that. No more want ads, and the only things you can buy must come from government-approved vendors and stores. Sound good? (By the way, I've already got all the legal precedent I need to do this: pharmacies are the only legal places to buy prescription drugs, and it's illegal to buy alcohol or tobacco from an unlicensed or unregulated seller, so we can apply those rules to ALL sales of everything, if you really want to go that route).

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If we can can the racism

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