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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And you think it's OK to start WWIII over Crimea?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I have no idea what the events you posted have to do with each other. The only thing that ties them together is your paranoia. Seems like you get a reaction and you think it represents our national interest.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, so you're in the habit of posting meaningless comments? Hmmm... I should have known.
Nevermind.

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... is the fact that this bullshit was set in motion by NeoCon pricks within the State Dept without any actual approval,

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

NeoCons in the Obama-Hillary-Kerry State Dept after 5+ years? Oh Shirley you jest!

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I get the feeling that political *officials* on both sides are happy to have this "Crisis." Makes them feel worthy, valuable, excited. When I see Kerry posture and try and gin up support against RU it makes me want to puke. I cannot find it within me to give a fig one way or the other unless we actually tried to do something other than bluster. I would be very, very upset by that.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
We have all been lucky so far that troops have not actually fired at each other. However, if the Kiev government shoots first and the Russians shoot back, we may ALL become involved in a war thru a series of interlocking alliances.

Oh, and in case you didn't know, about a week ago the Russians test-fired an ICBM....

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Those US claims are all over CNN:
"It's now on Russia to deescalate the current tensions by reversing the recent troop buildup, returning forces to normal peacetime positions, and refraining from further intimidation and attempts to destabilize Ukraine" Blinken said at a press conference at the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe summit.
https://lite.cnn.com/en/article/h_dac4ee9a7374e74db1106ea05abb2ba0
Russia is forbidden to move troops in response to a buildup of US/EU/NATO troops on its border. Or do anything at all that could possibly be framed as 'intimidation' or 'destabilization', apparently. Or else.

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U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken met face-to-face with his Russian counterpart on Thursday to demand Russia pull back troops from the border with Ukraine ... Fears that Russia would invade its neighbor or seek to undermine the government ...
https://apnews.com/article/business-europe-russia-ukraine-moscow-aae93
4e3b73e428da957e9b1b6ddc4f1
No actual attack needs to occur for the US/ EU/ NATO to claim a 'right' to respond militarily.

British foreign minister Liz Truss pledged on Wednesday to stand "with Ukraine" against Russian aggression, saying London was discussing with NATO allies other measures to take to prevent any incursion.
https://www.reuters.com/world/britain-pledges-support-ukraine-mulling-
measures-against-russia-2021-12-08/
No actual attack needs to occur for the US/ EU/ NATO to claim a 'right' to respond militarily.

NATO warns Russia over Ukraine military build-up
(despite)... increasing activity in the region by the NATO transatlantic alliance.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/nato-warns-russia-over-ukraine-mi
litary-build-up-2021-11-15/
The US/ EU/ NATO seem to think they have a right to increase troops an Russia's borders, but Russia has no right to respond.

U.S. tells Russia to pull back from Ukraine or face painful sanctions
https://www.reuters.com/world/prepare-sanctions-russia-ramp-up-militar
y-cooperation-ukraine-tells-nato-2021-12-01/
An actual invasion isn't needed for the west to 'respond'.

The European Union must be prepared to enact more sanctions against Russia if the situation in and around eastern Ukraine or on the Belarus-Poland border escalates, German Chancellor Angela Merkel said on Thursday.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-aggression-against-ukrain
e-should-lead-eu-sanctions-merkel-2021-11-25/
How about expanding your threats, Merkel?

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Originally posted by SignyM:
And nothing has changed.

Ukraine leaders are still spewing bullshit
NATO leaders are venting hot air.
American president is name-calling- for all he's worth.

It's amazing how everything stayed the same!

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Trump says Putin is smart.

OH THE HORROR!


CNN knows that telling people who aren't smart and watch CNN will rile up their pea brains.


Trump will be your President again in less than 3 years.

Tick Tock

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Originally posted by SignyM:
And nothing has changed.

Ukraine leaders are still spewing bullshit
NATO leaders are venting hot air.
American president is name-calling- for all he's worth.

It's amazing how everything stayed the same!


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Biden*, of course, is an unreliable teleprompter-reader. They should let the poor guy out to pasture, this is just elder abuse.

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Pity would be no more,
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Russia is moving (has moved?) to take full military control of Crimea: blocking in a Ukrainian naval base with a sunken Russian ship, blockading military posts still loyal to the Kiev government, etc.

The West seems content to respond with economic/political sanctions, and a lot of bluster. The thinking is prolly to let Russia have the Crimea as a form of border security. The government in Kiev, OTOH, seems to want to ramp things up. They have been consistently calling out the Russians, claiming one thing after another- only some of it true. Now they're taking things one step further:

Ukraine's Military Mobilizes, Prepares For Combat: Trucks, APCs, SAMs, Tanks Rolling Out
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-08/ukraines-military-mobilizes-p
repares-combat-trucks-apcs-tanks-rolling-out

We have all been lucky so far that troops have not actually fired at each other. However, if the Kiev government shoots first and the Russians shoot back, we may ALL become involved in a war thru a series of interlocking alliances.

Oh, and in case you didn't know, about a week ago the Russians test-fired an ICBM....

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Russia is moving (has moved?) to take full military control of Crimea: blocking in a Ukrainian naval base with a sunken Russian ship, blockading military posts still loyal to the Kiev government, etc.

The West seems content to respond with economic/political sanctions, and a lot of bluster. The thinking is prolly to let Russia have the Crimea as a form of border security. The government in Kiev, OTOH, seems to want to ramp things up. They have been consistently calling out the Russians, claiming one thing after another- only some of it true. Now they're taking things one step further:

Ukraine's Military Mobilizes, Prepares For Combat: Trucks, APCs, SAMs, Tanks Rolling Out
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-08/ukraines-military-mobilizes-p
repares-combat-trucks-apcs-tanks-rolling-out

We have all been lucky so far that troops have not actually fired at each other. However, if the Kiev government shoots first and the Russians shoot back, we may ALL become involved in a war thru a series of interlocking alliances.

Oh, and in case you didn't know, about a week ago the Russians test-fired an ICBM....

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Originally posted by SignyM:
And nothing has changed.

Ukraine leaders are still spewing bullshit
NATO leaders are venting hot air.
American president is name-calling- for all he's worth.

It's amazing how everything stayed the same!


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Biden*, of course, is an unreliable teleprompter-reader. They should let the poor guy out to pasture, this is just elder abuse.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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