Gay Rights in Malawi by Bytemite

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Prison rape has about as much to do with homosexual sex as rape of women has to do with heterosexual sex. Think of it in those terms, Byte, and then see how you feel about it.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Thursday, May 20, 2010 7:54 AM

No, I understand that. But I don't think the people who wrote this law would see a distinction, which is why it's a logic bomb.

But then, people who would freak out this much about homosexuality aren't about logic anyway.

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Thursday, May 20, 2010 8:02 AM

Ah, not I see what you're saying. And you're right about all of that.

Hell, maybe they think getting ass-raped will "cure" them of homosexuality.

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Thursday, May 20, 2010 8:03 AM

Unless, you're saying you do think they're aware of the distinction, and the rape is the REAL punishment?

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Thursday, May 20, 2010 8:04 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Ah, not I see what you're saying. And you're right about all of that.

Hell, maybe they think getting ass-raped will "cure" them of homosexuality.

It could be. :x

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Thursday, May 20, 2010 12:41 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

It's Africa. It's not unusual. Horrific, but not unusual. The stigma of homosexuality is big there, and no doubt homosexuality has been further stigmatized as the cause of AIDS...and you KNOW the problem they have with AIDS there.

Sick sons of bitches, but not surprising. Humans change slowly, if at all...

"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Friday, May 21, 2010 1:45 AM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:

But then, people who would freak out this much about homosexuality aren't about logic anyway.

God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and STEVE !!

And yet, same sex activity is found through out nature.

Huh.

It would appear that nature does not adhere to human logic.

Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Friday, May 21, 2010 2:32 AM

RIVERDANCER

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
And yet, same sex activity is found through out nature.

Huh.

It would appear that nature does not adhere to human logic.

I think I need to go mark my calender. Raptor said something I agree with; something I find simple, sound, and logical. With empathy. Kudos to Raptor.

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Friday, May 21, 2010 2:33 AM

RIVERLOVE

In Iran they hang gays. Some might prefer that to having to languish as a sex slave in some filthy prison.

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Friday, May 21, 2010 5:33 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Crappy said something "With empathy"??? Please show the empathy...no, don't bother, come to think of it; we know how you see things...

Aside from the fact that

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God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and STEVE !!

And yet, same sex activity is found through out nature.

is fact, and thus absolutely no argument against homosexuality in humans. The fact that some book written by humans says so doesn't make it so. That's religious dogma and has no relevancy, it's just yet another parroting of FauxNews. I sure wish you people would come up with your own material; you just show you're unable to think for yourselves, which is a shame.

Let's see, THE LEFT are the ones who feel they should impose their values on "everyone"? I should save that one; you left yourself SO wide open, you should be reminded of it every time you do as you say lefties do!

"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Friday, May 21, 2010 7:58 AM

Niki, I think you made a mistake. I think you mistook RiverDANCER for RiverLOVE. Easy to do - they posted one after the other, and share the same avatar. But RD tends to be quite a bit to the left of RL. To put it mildly. :)

Also, Rappy says he's an atheist, so I took that comment as him snarking the folks from Biblevania, not agreeing with them. He was being facetious.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Friday, May 21, 2010 10:16 AM

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Niki2 wrote: I should save that one; you left yourself SO wide open, you should be reminded of it every time you do as you say lefties do!

I'm so in your mind, you can't even THINK straight!

Read my post again, dear. Me thinks you missed the point. By a mile.

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Friday, May 21, 2010 10:41 AM

RIVERDANCER

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
they posted one after the other, and share the same avatar.

I tried to personalize my avatar, with a lot of help from the lovely PhoenixRose, but that original one just won't go away, no matter what I do. When I go to edit my profile, the "none" button is marked for avatar, and yet there it is. Ah well.

Niki, I often respect what you have to say, but you're being a bit of a knee-jerk Rappy hater, here. I understand, it can be easy to do, but he was actually being quite kind towards homosexuality with snark towards the fanatical religious doctrine against it. He wasn't trying for an argument against homosexuality, he was posting that fact as an argument against some of that right-wing slogan-slinging. At least, that is how I read it, especially the part I quoted. Nature doesn't adhere to that kind of doctrine. I was and am impressed by that kind of insight. I will restate my kudos to Raptor on this subject.

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RD tends to be quite a bit to the left... To put it mildly. :)

Well, I'm a liberal arts English major agnostic with a girlfriend. To me, this is normal, but I suppose it could be defined as a bit to the left, yes.

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Friday, May 21, 2010 10:50 AM

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Well, I'm a liberal arts English major agnostic with a girlfriend. To me, this is normal, but I suppose it could be defined as a bit to the left, yes.

Hey, preachin' to the choir here. Well, if I were religious, and went to church, and sang in a choir... :) Apparently, I'm quite a bit to the left of Trotsky, according to some, but to me, I feel pretty normal. Or as close to "normal" as I'd ever care to be.

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Friday, May 21, 2010 10:52 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

I'm so in your mind, you can't even THINK straight!

So you're saying I'm in your mind, eh, sweetie?

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Friday, May 21, 2010 12:39 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

My apologies, Dancer, I DIDN'T notice the difference between you. Tough to do, with two such similar names and the same avatar. I will try to be more careful.

As to Crappy's post, I dunno. I'll take everyone's word for it that he was snarking, but his use of "human LOGIC" seemed to indicate that he was sayng nature was nuts, and humans got it right (in dissing homosexuality). Neither here nor there, but I'll accept how you say he meant it.

Nonetheless, "dear", you aren't anywhere NEAR my mind...much less on the same planet...99% of the time.

"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Friday, May 21, 2010 1:13 PM

RIVERDANCER

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Originally posted by Niki2:
I DIDN'T notice the difference between you. Tough to do, with two such similar names and the same avatar. I will try to be more careful.

Unfortunately, that seems to say that you were not just jerking your knee at Raptor, but also at Riverlove. It says to me that you did not really consider my post, you reacted to a person you mistook me for, and lashed out for no reason beyond that. I'm a little disappointed in you, Niki, I thought better of you than that.
I accept your apology for lashing out at me, but I feel that I might not be the only one who deserves one. It would make my heart glad if you reexamined some of your suppositions about people here. You might disagree with them on many things, but that's not reason enough to lash out at everything they say. I myself rarely agree with Raptor, hence my comment about marking the calender, but that doesn't make me blindly hateful towards every word he types. I recognize he might have said something worth marking my calender for. I truly hope you might someday mark your own calender.

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Friday, May 21, 2010 1:52 PM

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Originally posted by Niki2:
As to Crappy's post, I dunno. I'll take everyone's word for it that he was snarking, but his use of "human LOGIC" seemed to indicate that he was sayng nature was nuts, and humans got it right (in dissing homosexuality). Neither here nor there, but I'll accept how you say he meant it.

Nonetheless, "dear", you aren't anywhere NEAR my mind...much less on the same planet...99% of the time.

Sure I am, hon. Sure I am.

This is another classic example of you only seeing what you WANT to see.

If I'm " dissing " anything, it's humanity's attempt to get a grasp on the 'verse in which we all live. It seems like a conundrum, a contradiction, how homosexuality could survive the evolutionary process. I mean, in propagating the species, it's about as useful as an stripe-less, albino tiger ... and yet they still exist.

( and for pete's sake, don't get all bent out of shape with the tiger example....it's just an example. Lord knows, you DO love to run w/ off hand comments and extrapolate all manner of "hidden" meaning.... )

Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Friday, May 21, 2010 1:54 PM

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( and for pete's sake, don't get all bent out of shape with the tiger example....it's just an example. Lord knows, you DO love to run w/ off hand comment and extrapolate all manner of "hidden" meaning from it.... )

Yeah, you'd NEVER do anything like that, right?

"Run, Sarah, Run!"

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Friday, May 21, 2010 3:43 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

I've often thought about evolution and homosexuality.

I've come to the conclusion that there must be an advantage, as a species, for some members of the community to exist who aren't occupied with rearing their own children. It may create a workpool of folks who can focus more wholly on other activities. Or it may create a pool of people who can adopt the discards and orphans of others, without the usual territoriality of, "It's not MY child."

In any event, if homosexuality had any strong negative impact on the survival of the species, it would be gone by now. I suspect it's one of those recessive things designed to manifest in limited numbers, sprinkled into the population. The gene is probably passed on by people who only have one of the recessives, so that it can continue to propogate through heterosexual reproductive activity.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

"You can lose a quark you don't girth." -Dreamtrove's words to live by, translated by Ipad

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Friday, May 21, 2010 7:16 PM

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Anthony,

I'd agree w/ your initial statement, if I saw more evidence that it held true. While it may be ( I really can't say , for sure ) that gay individuals don't fit the biological *inclination to have kids, I'm not sure it's fair to say they don't want to. Clearly, some who couple w/ 1 spouse do desire a "family", while some heterosexual couples, who ARE capable of reproducing, choose not to do so.

I've personally known more than 1 example of the latter.

* self edit - to clarify, there's nothing biologically inherent about gays which keeps them from having kids, that I'm aware of, save for who they prefer to engage in intimacy with... Obviously, many DO have kids in the standard manner....

Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Saturday, May 22, 2010 3:16 AM

I personally *AM* one example of the latter. Zero population growth begins at home!

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Saturday, May 22, 2010 4:24 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Dancer, point heard and taken. Yes, I tend to view a couple of people here through the veil of past experience, and it causes me to misread sometimes and misinterpret others. All I can tell you is I try not to as best I can, and I guarantee the things they’ve said to and about me over time have been worse than what I’ve said. Which is NOT an excuse, I might add.

I do hope, however, you don’t include RL in that, because the things that person has said to and about me are so abhorrent there is NO excuse on their side, and I will never trust or accept them. Raptor, on the other hand I HAVE agreed with in the past, and been civil when he is civil, to the best of my knowledge. Nonetheless, point taken. Thank you.

Raptor, I do apologize for misunderstanding your post. I just re-read it, and hadn’t caught the “logic” in the quote to make the connection. I agree with you. Neither of the two snarks was necessary, however. Why you would choose to think I’d run off with the albino tiger for some reason is beyond me. I admire the big cats, and was honored to know and name one while working at Marineworld...she had some of the genetic problems albinos sometimes do, blind, trouble walking, and I doubt she lived long, but I named her “Tashakur”, Farsi for “thank you”—same thing I later named my male husky. Most of the time your snarks are pretty obvious, I don’t think I misread many of them.

Anthony, your theory is quite sensible and I agree. It might also be a way of keeping the population in check, which would explain why it is more prevalent now—if it isn’t just a case of it being more public. I’ll take the word “serious” with your “negative”, because many, many things continue to exist which have a negative impact on the population, as we both know. Ironic, isn’t it, that gays aren’t ALLOWED to adopt in so many places, if your theory is right? The “village” it “takes” is long gone, sadly.

I’m another like Mike, I knew at 17 that I’d never have kids, as did my best friend, the ranger, and both she and I haven’t had children. It’s not just ZPG for me, it’s having experienced my own parents and feeling I’m not cut out for it. Of course, I didn’t know until 48 that I was bisexual, but I don’t think that makes any difference. Personally, my view is that if human beings saw one another as human beings, and society hadn’t throughout time conditioned us to male-female, AND we’d lost such a strong genetic inheritance to reproduce, anyone could love anyone.

ZPG may begin at home, Mike, but there are always other reasons people don’t have children, and homosexuality isn’t the only one. I’m betting there’s more to it for you, as well.

"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Saturday, May 22, 2010 8:05 AM

Well, yeah, Niki - there ARE other reasons, of course. Which I really won't get into here.

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Saturday, May 22, 2010 9:52 AM