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Tea Party isn't racist, no indeed...

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Friday, May 21, 2010 8:26 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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Outraged at the proposed building of a 9/11 Anti-Memorial Mosque right near Ground Zero, radio host and Tea Party Express chairman Mark Williams took to his blog and got real mad at nasty Muslims. And their monkey-god too.

Williams, a frequent Fox News contributor, wrote on his site:
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Tea Party Leader Not a Fan of Muslims or Their 'Monkey-God'

The monument would consist of a Mosque for the worship of the terrorists' monkey-god (repeat: "the terrorists' monkey-god." if you feel that fits a description of Allah then that is your own deep-seated emotional baggage not mine, talk to the terrorists who use Allah as their excuse and the Muslims who apologize for and rationalize them) and a "cultural center" to propagandize for the extermination of all things not approved by their cult. It is a project of American Society for Muslim Advancement and the Cordoba Initiative, essentially the same group of apologists (but under 2 different names) for terrorists and the animals who use it as a terrorist ideology. They cloak their evil with new age gibberish that suggests Islam is just misunderstood.

Pleasantly enough Williams went on a rant about that Muslim Miss USA lady, Rima Fakih, on the same blog post. It is also NOT AT ALL CRAZY. It is mostly just a beautiful even-handed sentiment that the Teabaggers should be deeply proud of:
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Meet the new Miss Muslim USA Rima Fakih. In the photo above she is a participant in a stripping contest held by a Detroit T & A radio show. Last night she won the nod for Miss. USA when Miss. Oklahoma dared answer a question from a judge about illegal aliens with a response that suggested immigration law be enforced while safeguards against racial profiling are also enforced. At that point pageant political correctness went into full gear and Fakih was declared the winner.

Note to the freaks and mental cases who dominate Islam: See what you're missing when you peal off the burka there fellas? Maybe you wouldn't have to spend so much effort Michael Jacksoning the little boys in your terror camps if you took a look at the chicks for a change.

In the meantime I have a wonderful idea along the same lines as that mosque at Ground Zero thing… a nice, shiny new U.S. Military Base on the smoldering ruins of Mecca. Works for me!


http://gawker.com/5542643/mosque+mad-tea-party-leader-not-a-fan-of-mus
lims-or-their-monkey+god


He's since apologized for his "monkey god" comment, but even the apology reeks:
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Tea Party leader Mark Williams has apologised to Hindus for writing that Muslims worship "the terrorists' monkey god”.

"In the course of the article I described the 'god' worshiped by terrorists as 'a monkey god'. I was wrong and that was offensive. I owe an apology to millions of Hindus who worship Lord Hanuman, an actual Monkey God," Williams wrote Wednesday night.

Notably, Williams did not apologise to Muslims in the new blog post. Instead, he said sorry to Hindus as another way to attack Muslims, according to the Daily News.


"Hanuman is worshiped as a symbol of perseverance, strength and devotion. He is known as a destroyer of evil and to inspire and liberate. Those are hardly the traits of whatever the Hell (literally) it is that terrorists worship and worthy of my respect and admiration not ridicule."

"So, again, to my Hindu friends, I offer my sincerest apologies for my horrible lapse and my insensitivity. It was unintentional, inexplicably ignorant and I am ashamed at my offence toward you."

http://www.zeenews.com/news628290.html

So tell us again how the Tea Party isn't racist, given the feelings and words of their Tea Party Express CHAIRMAN!


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Friday, May 21, 2010 8:27 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


So, soooo raciss....


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Friday, May 21, 2010 8:30 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Seems even the wulfenchild agrees with you, Niki.

And he's even, as he says, spent time with "the savages".


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Friday, May 21, 2010 8:59 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


More on the subject of the Tea Party and racism. Yeah, it's long, read it or don't, but don't then come back at me with the usual "Dems are playing the race card" unless you can prove it. The Tea Partiers have proven their racism out of their own mouths.
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Recent polling data on T.P. members show racism is represented in a solid majority and is proving to be a systemic problem within the movement. Over the last month, I have visited dozens of Tea Party websites, YouTube videos of rallies, read speeches and articles from T.P. supporters, and researched academic reports that have been released on T.P. ideology, racism and their connections to militant extremists. And while the T.P. movement is just over a year old, there is a growing mountain of data which allows us to draw some early conclusions. One conclusion that is becoming increasingly clear is that the Tea Party has a problem with racism.

This week, April 7, 2010, Professor Christopher Parker of the WISER Institute, at the University of Washington, released the results of a political science poll studying racism in American politics. Here is an excerpt from the report: “America is definitely not beyond race. For instance, the Tea Party, the incipient movement that claims to be committed to reining in what they perceive as big government, appears to be motivated by more than partisanship and ideology. Approximately 45% of Whites either strongly or somewhat approve of the movement. Of those, only 35% believe Blacks to be hardworking, only 45 % believe Blacks are intelligent, and only 41% think that Blacks are trustworthy. Perceptions of Latinos aren’t much different. While 54% of White Tea Party supporters believe Latinos to be hardworking, only 44% think them intelligent, and even fewer, 42% of Tea Party supporters believe Latinos to be trustworthy …” The report reveals that Tea Party members are 36 percent more likely to be racially resentful than non-Tea Party supporters. According to Professor Parker, "While it's clear that the tea party in one sense is about limited government, it's also clear from the data that people who want limited government don't want certain services for certain kinds of people.

In addition to all those racist signs, pesky academic reports and polls illustrating T.P. racism, there are several extremist groups that have hooked up and joined forces with the Tea Party Movement. Tthese groups include nativists, white supremacists, and Patriot militias. Throughout the last year, many of the these groups have tabled at T.P. rallies and have been openly embracedm while it is also true that there have also been a few T.P. groups have rejected some of the most extreme white supremacists groups. (Especially the overt neo-Nazi and skinheads.)

Tea Party members and defenders have claimed racist views are held by just a “few loons.” The empirical data reveals a different story. The data keeps coming in and the signs keep popping up and are obvious to anyone willing to look at them. It is clear the T.P movement will continue to deny and close the eyes to the overwhelming evidence. However, the question is, will the rest of America ignore the racism? Nearly 60 percent of T.P. supporters believe blacks and Latinos are essentially lazy, stupid and can’t be trusted. And that is not just a few loons. That is a systemic problem that reflects and very troubled movement that, I believe, must come to grips with the problem.

The Tea Party's venomous rhetoric picked up steam over the summer, when angry mobs flooded town hall meetings legislators had organized as sites for rational, civil debate on health care reform. After one meeting in Atlanta, a swastika was painted on the office of Congressman David Scott (D-GA), who had also received a flier addressed to "nigga David Scott."

Similarly, there was no public outcry from Republican leadership when Mark Williams, a leader of the Tea Party movement, was exposed for having described the President as "an Indonesian Muslim turned welfare thug and a racist in chief"

http://www.aaboomers.com/categories/politics/april-2010/tea-party-raci
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This isn't an epiphany by any stretch. From the beginning, with their witch doctor imagery, watermelon agitprop and Curious George effigies, the wingnut right has been dying to blurt out, as Lee Atwater famously said, "nigger, nigger, nigger!"

But they can't.

Strike that. Correction. TeaParty.org founder Dale Robertson brandished a sign with the (misspelled) word "niggar." So they're not even as restrained as the generally unstrung Atwater anymore.

Most of the time, they merely imply the use of the word. Rush Limbaugh referring to the president as a "black man-child," for example. Every week, a new example pops up on the radio and somehow the offenders are able to keep their job while Howard Stern is fined for saying the comparatively innocuous word "blumpkin." Limbaugh, on the other hand, can stoke racial animosity on his show by suggesting that health care reform is a civil rights bill -- reparations -- and no one seems to mind. And no, the impotence isn't an adequate Karmic punishment for Limbaugh's roster of trespasses.

The tea party is an extension of talk radio. It's an extension of Fox News Channel. It's an extension of the southern faction of the Republican Party -- the faction that gave us the Southern Strategy, the Willie Horton ad, the White Hands ad and the racially divisive politics of Lee Atwater and Karl Rove. It's an extension of the race-baiting and, often, the outright racism evident in all of those conservative spheres.

But unlike the heavy-handedness of Dale Robertson and others, the tea party followers are generally more veiled about why they're so outraged by our current president.

This isn't an epiphany by any stretch. From the beginning, with their witch doctor imagery, watermelon agitprop and Curious George effigies, the wingnut right has been dying to blurt out, as Lee Atwater famously said, "nigger, nigger, nigger!"

But they can't.

Strike that. Correction. TeaParty.org founder Dale Robertson brandished a sign with the (misspelled) word "niggar." So they're not even as restrained as the generally unstrung Atwater anymore.

Most of the time, they merely imply the use of the word. Rush Limbaugh referring to the president as a "black man-child," for example. Every week, a new example pops up on the radio and somehow the offenders are able to keep their job while Howard Stern is fined for saying the comparatively innocuous word "blumpkin." Limbaugh, on the other hand, can stoke racial animosity on his show by suggesting that health care reform is a civil rights bill -- reparations -- and no one seems to mind. And no, the impotence isn't an adequate Karmic punishment for Limbaugh's roster of trespasses.

The tea party is an extension of talk radio. It's an extension of Fox News Channel. It's an extension of the southern faction of the Republican Party -- the faction that gave us the Southern Strategy, the Willie Horton ad, the White Hands ad and the racially divisive politics of Lee Atwater and Karl Rove. It's an extension of the race-baiting and, often, the outright racism evident in all of those conservative spheres.

But unlike the heavy-handedness of Dale Robertson and others, the tea party followers are generally more veiled about why they're so outraged by our current president.

By way of a postscript, one of the many faceless radio talk show wingnuts, Jim Quinn, this week called President Obama a "Kenyan wuss" who should be "slapped silly."

Last week, I wrote a piece about the tea party movement and the obvious through-line of race, race-baiting, racism and the use of the Southern Strategy within the movement. The dominant theme throughout the most outraged responses was, essentially: We're not racists, but here's why we're pissed about blacks and immigrants. For example, here's a particularly illustrative e-mail, reprinted as it was received:
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The Tea Party is NOT about race, it is about me paying taxes to support every non contributing individual that has the ability to pro create. It is not my/our fault that the majority of NON contributors are minority. It is not my/our fault some refuse to learn English....An ideology that will transform this Country into a third world nation....Sounds to me like you may be an immigrant yourself with an axe to grind. Is that the case Booby? If so you can always go home!
I have dozens more just like it. Several of them tell me I'm an idiot for suggesting there's a racial component, followed closely with a line about how I should "go back to Cuba or Africa." Nope. No racism there.

It's the subtext that gurgles just below the surface of these three topics that composes the tea party version of the Southern Strategy.

Developed by Republican strategists like Harry Dent and Pat Buchanan during the rebuilding of the GOP in the post Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act era, the Southern Strategy's goal was to win over southern whites by demonizing blacks using subterfuge, dog whistles and coded language. The late Republican mastermind Lee Atwater described the use of the Southern Strategy as being all about the use of "abstract" issues that imply race without explicitly using direct racial epithets or even the words "black" or "white."

Atwater described some of the abstract issues of his era as "forced bussing" or taxes, and framing these issues in a way that subconsciously fuels white resentment towards blacks, and serves to coalesce white votes around Republican candidates.

That's the Southern Strategy. It's as old as the Civil War and the Southern white "fire-breathers," but only in the last 40 years has it become a significant subheading in the fear chapter of the Republican Party playbook.

The Southern Strategy was and still is very real. Look no further than the Willie Horton ad. The White Hands ad. The 2006 "Harold! Call me!" ad which set off white dog whistles in Tennessee about a black candidate having sex with a clearly naked blond white woman.

For the tea party leadership, it's all politics, and politics is power. It's about saying "join us" so we can oppose "them" and their taxes to pay for the poor (wink, we mean blacks) and their health care handouts (for reparations to blacks, wink). Consequently, tea party organizers and their PR wing at Fox News and on talk radio are able to consolidate political and financial power.

Glenn Beck, this week, was at it again, suggesting that the U.S. Census was scheming to give lopsided representation to minorities. This on top of his ongoing line that President Obama hates white people and that health care reform is all about reimbursing black people because of slavery. Yeah. He's not so "abstract," as Lee Atwater once said.

There are surely some earnest, decent (though politically misguided) people who are unaware of the race-baiting that's happening around them, and it's reasonable to suggest that there are more than a few people who simply don't recognize racism when they see it. But it's clear that a major component of the tea party movement -- the movement -- is the use of race, anti-immigrant sentiment and abstract racism as a strategy. Naturally, it wouldn't be used if there wasn't anything to gain. Sadly, however, the target demographic for the tea party movement is low-information white middle class voters who have a tendency, no matter how subconscious, to respond to political dog whistles.

This is essentially a corporate-driven assembly of angry white people gathered around abstractly racial issues for the purposes of venting rage while financially benefiting the far-right power elites who are pulling the strings.

http://progressivesforobama.blogspot.com/2010/03/tea-party-racism-you-
don-even-need.html



"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Friday, May 21, 2010 9:02 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yes, Wulf, you're right, sooo racist. Sick, and sad that you guys can be so easiy manipulated...but I'm glad you agree. The overt racism by a leader is pretty telling. As are the above.


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Friday, May 21, 2010 9:10 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Nix,

I don't have to. Others have already seen it, and written about it.

Libs/Progs treat brown and black people like pets (at best) or, trained monkeys (at worst).

http://www.jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/movieplay-ngn-swf.htm

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/guideDesc.asp?catid=162&type=issue

http://bigjournalism.com/lmarcus/2010/03/19/liberal-media-attempts-to-
brand-tea-parties-racist-fails
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Friday, May 21, 2010 10:04 AM

STORYMARK


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Seems even the wulfenchild agrees with you, Niki.

And he's even, as he says, spent time with "the savages".




Poor Wulfie, so cognitively challenged that he thinks pointing out racism is racist.

I honestly don't understand what does on in that hollow gourd he keeps on his shoulders.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, May 21, 2010 10:06 AM

STORYMARK


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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Nix,

I don't have to. Others have already seen it, and written about it.

Libs/Progs treat brown and black people like pets (at best) or, trained monkeys (at worst).



No, we treat them as people, deserving to be treated equally. It's shitbirds like you and your precious teabaggers who want to treat them as less than human, and then whine like a child when called on it.

Links from like-minded idiots are hardly proof to the contrary.

And of course you'd go with the "I don't have to" defense when asked to explain your views. No one has shown themselves less capable of expressing a thought of their own than you, Wulfie. Maybe you should post another collection of videos and links so you don't havta think.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, May 21, 2010 10:20 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


"This week, April 7, 2010, Professor Christopher Parker of the WISER Institute, at the University of Washington, released the results of a political science poll studying racism in American politics. Here is an excerpt from the report: “America is definitely not beyond race. For instance, the Tea Party, the incipient movement that claims to be committed to reining in what they perceive as big government, appears to be motivated by more than partisanship and ideology. Approximately 45% of Whites either strongly or somewhat approve of the movement. Of those, only 35% believe Blacks to be hardworking, only 45 % believe Blacks are intelligent, and only 41% think that Blacks are trustworthy. Perceptions of Latinos aren’t much different. While 54% of White Tea Party supporters believe Latinos to be hardworking, only 44% think them intelligent, and even fewer, 42% of Tea Party supporters believe Latinos to be trustworthy …” The report reveals that Tea Party members are 36 percent more likely to be racially resentful than non-Tea Party supporters. According to Professor Parker, "While it's clear that the tea party in one sense is about limited government, it's also clear from the data that people who want limited government don't want certain services for certain kinds of people."

Hello,

After discovering the blinding flaws in a recent CNN poll designed to reveal startling racism in our children, I am suspect of such surveys.

As a Libertarian, I have often found the movement to be surrounded by groups who hold questionable morals and ethics. Then I discovered that all political groups have this same problem. The most one can do is denounce such things when they hear them, and not stand next to the offensive personalities.

--Anthony


"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

"You can lose a quark you don't girth." -Dreamtrove's words to live by, translated by Ipad

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Friday, May 21, 2010 10:50 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Kriste, WulfWind, that’s truly pathetic.
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Every person who supports gun control laws must be shown this film or gun ownership will cease to exist in America.

Don't become a former gun owner because you chose not to show "No Guns for Negroes "to every one you know.

from the “Jews for Preservation of Firearms Ownership”, a totally slanted article from a website with NOTHING on it but articles saying liberals are racist, and an article from the Editor of an OBVIOUS Tea Party group which ends
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Folks, I take the liberal media’s accusation of racism against my fellow patriots who are white extremely personal[sic]. We patriots share a kinship through our love for our country. We are family. And you don’t allow people to dis your family. March 27th in Searchlight, Nev., we launch Tea Party Express Tour III. For me, the rallies are family reunions. I can’t wait to see you.
I hate to tell you, but it’s the HEAD of the Tea Party Express who is quoted directly above, and if you deny the things he said are racist, you’re not even in the same UNIVERSE as we are, much less planet!

It’s a no-go, kiddo. If those are where you get your opinions and/or what you use to back up your beliefs, your arguments are irrelevant. I gave you material from various sources, none of which are strongly anti-Tea Party, merely reporting the news. And they contained DIRECT QUOTES by the people involved—you know, quotes from their own mouths? People in power in the Tea Party? You gave me nothing but some quotes of a couple of Tea Partiers, not those the Tea Party FOLLOWS.

Admittedly one of my cites was from an African-American Boomer site, but it, too, doesn’t focus on the right, it covers tons of news from all fronts. Another was “Progressive America”, no doubt with an agenda, but what they quoted was QUOTES, verifiable, and the photo on the article makes the statement without any words, said photo having COME from the Tea Party:


I’m really sorry, but you felt flat on your face. Show me some EXAMPLES of liberals being what you say they are, and I’ll listen.

I agree, Anthony, which is why I only posted the one poll as an indication. There are others, but I opted to post things that contained QUOTES from the leaders of the Tea Party and others involved in its structure. I think they’re quite sufficient to show the mentality. I nonetheless also believe as one of the authors quoted said, that there are many, many reasonable, well-meaning non-racist people with legitimate intentions in the Tea Party movement. I just feel they’ve been misguided by appealing to things they believe without realizing the agenda being pursued (see the Southern Strategy).

I also believe the manipulation of the Tea Party leaders is to fire up racist feelings in those who know they have them and those who DON’T realize it. The fact that there are DAMNED FEW people of any color other than white at their gatherings (and pointing out six in a rally of thousands doesn’t cut it) does absolutely nothing...one has only to look around at any clip of a Tea Party gathering to see how very few minorities are represented. That, also, speaks to me.


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Friday, May 21, 2010 10:56 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

What is this "No guns for negroes" video mentioned?

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

"You can lose a quark you don't girth." -Dreamtrove's words to live by, translated by Ipad

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Friday, May 21, 2010 10:59 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


"Hello,

What is this "No guns for negroes" video mentioned?"

Anthony, here you go.


http://www.jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/movieplay-ngn-swf.htm

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Friday, May 21, 2010 11:09 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Nix,

I don't have to. Others have already seen it, and written about it.

Libs/Progs treat brown and black people like pets (at best) or, trained monkeys (at worst).



No, we treat them as people, deserving to be treated equally. It's shitbirds like you and your precious teabaggers who want to treat them as less than human, and then whine like a child when called on it.

Links from like-minded idiots are hardly proof to the contrary.

And of course you'd go with the "I don't have to" defense when asked to explain your views. No one has shown themselves less capable of expressing a thought of their own than you, Wulfie. Maybe you should post another collection of videos and links so you don't havta think.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."




See, Story, the thing is, Wulfie is so incapable of thinking of blacks and Hispanics as "people" that he can't imagine a world where OTHER people think of them as just people, no different than themselves or anyone else. That kind of thinking - "We're all just folk now" - is radically inconceivable in Wulfie's mind. And since he can only conceive of minorities as "savages" (HIS word for them, not mine), or property ("pets" - again, HIS word for them), or lesser species ("trained monkeys" - once again, HIS words, not mine), it's unfathomable to him that anyone else could ever see people of another color as just people, period. I don't talk a lot about "my black neighbor" or "my Mexican neighbor" or "my Cuban friend" or "my Latina aunt" - I just consider them my neighbors, friends, and relatives. Only Wulfie, who claims to NOT want to put people into tidy little boxes and categories, seems obsessed with keeping people in their tidy little boxes and categories. I guess it makes it easier for him to know who to hate once he's got them all compartmentalized and isolated into their little sections of the concentration camp of his mind.

Wulfie, maybe you should change your name to WulfenSS, as an allusion to your real heroes, the Waffen SS. They tended to view certain groups as non-humans, savages, pets, and monkeys, too. You'd really fit right in with them. Well, until they met your wife...

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions


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Friday, May 21, 2010 11:16 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Wow Kwicko,

Im actually putting out the idea that all people should be free, armed, and in control of their own destiny.

WTF? You lose an argument, you scream RACISS!!!

Dude...

Thats all youve got. Thats all you CAN do.

You can't fight the truth, and the hope of the American people, so you try and derail it with cries of racism..

Its sad.

REAL racism should be fought. But you lose an argument and its just the last ditch effort of a dying breed.

Get a new line. New material... something.

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Friday, May 21, 2010 11:24 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello Niki,

Which were the racist comments of the JFPO guy? I might have lost them amongst the cites.

--Anthony



"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

"You can lose a quark you don't girth." -Dreamtrove's words to live by, translated by Ipad

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Friday, May 21, 2010 11:50 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Wow Kwicko,

Im actually putting out the idea that all people should be free, armed, and in control of their own destiny.

WTF? You lose an argument, you scream RACISS!!!

Dude...

Thats all youve got. Thats all you CAN do.

You can't fight the truth, and the hope of the American people, so you try and derail it with cries of racism..

Its sad.

REAL racism should be fought. But you lose an argument and its just the last ditch effort of a dying breed.

Get a new line. New material... something.




Dude. Really. You constantly refer to black people as "savages" and "animals".

YOU came in here claiming that it was "libs/progs" who are racists. Does that mean you lost an argument? Are you out of material? Is it your last ditch effort? Are you the dying breed?

By the way, when you're going to call "racist", it might help if you could actually spell the word correctly. It might give you some credence on what you're speaking about. I doubt it, but it couldn't make you look any WORSE. That would be an impossibility at this point.

And besides, why would you care if you're called a racist? According to you, if someone is calling you a racist, you must be doing something right, right? Since you're so convinced that your racism is justified and righteous, why don't you just grab onto it and wear it like the badge of honor you truly believe it to be?

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions


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Friday, May 21, 2010 11:55 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


"By the way, when you're going to call "racist", it might help if you could actually spell the word correctly."

AH-HA! Good catch, and at least you pointed it out. (I was waiting for some to do that)

The reason I spell "racist" wrong, is becuase the people who usually scream it... well, hell... they are about as intelligent as a bag of hammers.

So, scream RACISS all you want, its just shows how ignorant you are and how far you've fallen.

When you've got nothing, when your arguments no longer mean anything and they are as dust in the wind... scream RACISS!

After all

Its all you've got left.

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Friday, May 21, 2010 12:02 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


"And besides, why would you care if you're called a racist? According to you, if someone is calling you a racist, you must be doing something right, right? Since you're so convinced that your racism is justified and righteous, why don't you just grab onto it and wear it like the badge of honor you truly believe it to be?"

Let me clear this up for you (and others).

If a Lib/Prog screams Raciss at me... then well, I know I've defeated their argument so completely that they have nothing left.

I'd worry if my friends or my wife said that about me.

But for your guys, hell... it IS a badge of honor.

It just simply means that you've got nothing left, you've got no argument to refute anything of what I've said... and in a last ditch effort to "win" you pull the "racism card". Or "rassis card", whichever you prefer.

Get a new line, a new way of thinking, or go home.


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Friday, May 21, 2010 12:25 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"By the way, when you're going to call "racist", it might help if you could actually spell the word correctly."

AH-HA! Good catch, and at least you pointed it out. (I was waiting for some to do that)

The reason I spell "racist" wrong, is becuase the people who usually scream it... well, hell... they are about as intelligent as a bag of hammers.




Uh-huh. Sure. And it makes perfect sense, insulting peoples' intelligence, coming from someone who can't properly spell "because". And can't for the life of him figure out how to get a handle on contractions.

So, scream RACISS all you want, its just shows how ignorant you are and how far you've fallen.

Quote:


When you've got nothing, when your arguments no longer mean anything and they are as dust in the wind... scream RACISS!

After all

Its all you've got left.



Or just point out racism as being racist. Apparently when you have no arguments left, you run to your beloved racism, because that burning cross has always kept you warm before.

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Friday, May 21, 2010 12:27 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


See Kwick?

I'm right. You just proved it.

Thanks.


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Friday, May 21, 2010 12:28 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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If a Lib/Prog screams Raciss at me... then well, I know I've defeated their argument so completely that they have nothing left.



So yesterday, when you called Story a racist, that was because he'd destroyed your argument so completely that you had nothing left? It was all you had?

And today, when you insisted that "libs/progs" are all racists, was that you admitting that we'd destroyed your arguments so completely that you had nothing left? That was all you had?

Is that what you're saying? That you're desperate?

'Cause we already knew that. You didn't really need to clear that up.

Mike

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Friday, May 21, 2010 12:30 PM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Noooo Kwick,

I was pointing out how actually racist you guys are.

I understand if the subtlety of it was lost on you.

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Friday, May 21, 2010 12:49 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


And your title change? Again showing us you've got nothing?

Remember, ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN WORDS, if someone cries "racist", that proves beyond all doubt that they have nothing. Right?

So why did you change the title again?


Oh, and wasn't everybody else here pointing out how "actually racist" YOU are?

I completely understand if the subtlety was lost on you. You've never been very good with subtlety.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions


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Friday, May 21, 2010 1:01 PM

NIKI2

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Anthony: What’s JFPO? I’ll find what you ask, if you can tell me.

Why DOES he keep saying “raciss”? It’s not a word, doesn’t mean anything, and his intention (negative, of course) escapes me. Oh, wait, there’s his explanation. But it’s not one. It doesn’t make any sense. Spelling it “raciss” just proves HE is the unintelligent one unable to communicate... Oh, well, it’s not important.

I do love the argument that when anyone calls him racist it just proves they have no argument. Man, that’s the PERFECT escape! Come to think of it, that’s the teabaggers’ comeback, too, isn’t it? Or something like it? Well, I’m just happy he has his little satisfactions, since trying to get through to him doesn’t do any good anyway. And it’s funnier than hell that when anyone calls HIM a racist, it proves they’ve got nothing, but I’m sure that if HE calls anyone else a racist, it can’t possibly be that HE has nothing. Ahhh, double standards, aren’t they fun? Isn’t that something like Hero’s "I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round”? It's not even subtlety...but then you're right, he doesn't get subtlety.

What’s his reason for believing we’re all racists? Oh, wait, I forgot, he doesn’t need one...nor facts. Silly me.


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Friday, May 21, 2010 1:32 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Niki, actually Wulfie is once again screwed in the head - the JFPO is Jews For the Preservation of Firearm Ownership, a bit of a misleading title even if many of them are, cause a lot of members, self included, ain't.

The original rationales for gun control did have some element of racism to them, but what Wulfie fails to do his homework on is that this particular factor was thrust into the debate even at the time by his so-called "conservative" buddies who were afraid that armed people darker than them might constitute a threat to their way of life via NOT TAKING THEIR SHIT.

They were prettymuch right, it's awfully hard to lynch someone with a Winchester in hand, harder than they'd have liked, sure - and for a fact, it *DID* play a role in stopping that bullshit, to deny this is foolish.

But really, all they are is a pro second amendment group, just one with a harder edge to it than the milquetoast quislings of the NRA.
http://www.jpfo.org/

That mostly cause the folks who started it, well their grandfathers and great grandfathers *did* turn them in and hand them over... and then what happened ?

But honestly they got shit to do with race, Wulfie is just grabbing at any straw which looks like it might support his bullshit argument for all of a few seconds while he runs his ass back to Stormfront* (don't shine me Wulf, we both know it) to go grab some more.

-Frem

*That bein a skinhead, white power, mighty white right site, and a place you're better off stayin away from cause even lookin at it will make you wanna take six showers.

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Friday, May 21, 2010 1:49 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

*That bein a skinhead, white power, mighty white right site, and a place you're better off stayin away from cause even lookin at it will make you wanna take six showers.




Which is ironic, because that's more showers than the typical Stormfront member takes in a whole year!

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Friday, May 21, 2010 2:07 PM

NIKI2

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Ah, I see. It's not what they "said", it's that it's a site about nothing BUT trying to tie Democrats to racism. Check out the link; there's little on the site but that. When any site is dedicated to one position and one position only, it's not a valid site to back up a point, in my opinion. I respect FACTS over agendas.

I see what Frem's saying, and it's valid. The No Guns For Negroes attitude was that of the SOUTH, of white supremicists who didn't want guns in the hands of Blacks for fear they could stand up for themselves. It's not about gun control in reality, it's racism, which is funny 'cuz it's what Wulfwind was trying to use to prove DEMOCRATS are racist.

The laws then, saying "Slaves cannot use any weapon, even in self defense", and the fact that most people are unaware that laws passed in the late 19th Century were specifically written to discriminate, as in "The statute was NEVER intended to be applied to the white population", reflected the Southern fear that Blacks would stand up for themselves and not let themselves be lynched, etc. It was their fear of what they had done to slaves coming back on them, not "Democrats" v. "Republicans".

Whether it was Democrats or Republicans back then, both parties have changed dramatically. Neither party is what it was then, and to say Democrats are "racist" because of the Confederacy is fallacious. Gun control isn't about "no guns for Blacks"; everything having to do with that situation was about slavery and the South, not Dems v. Repubs now.

The difference NOW is how people in both parties view different races, and there is no question that the Tea Partier of today views other races as "less than", all you have to do is listen to their leaders speak. Since the majority of Tea Partiers favor Republican ideals, the leaders of the Tea Party and the fact that there are few but White faces at their gatherings speak for themselves.


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Friday, May 21, 2010 2:07 PM

NIKI2

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Ooops, double post. Damned computer.

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Monday, May 24, 2010 8:10 AM

STORYMARK


Amazing that in Wulfie's poor deluded brain, he considers anyone pointing out his logical fallacies, contradictions, or openly racist language (savages, monkeys, etc) is tantamount to his winning.

Only a true idiot could maintain such an amazingly stupid notion. It basically forms a little cognitive wall that prevents him from ever being wrong, no matter the reality of the situation, forever and ever. There are committed psychotics with a firmer grasp on reality than the Wulftard.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Monday, May 24, 2010 10:29 AM

BYTEMITE


Wulf, I just figured you spelled it "raciss" because it's pretty obvious you're quoting/mocking jive and ebonics.

So before you go explaining that you think the people who call "raciss" are dumber than a bag of bricks, I'd make sure people understand what the hell you're talking about. Otherwise you get into tail biting arguments.

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Monday, May 24, 2010 11:09 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


"Wulf, I just figured you spelled it "raciss" because it's pretty obvious you're quoting/mocking jive and ebonics."

Well, that too. lol

Now, anyone..

Prove that liberals, progs, far left ARE NOT raciss.

I can prove they are. Its actually pretty simple.

Curious as to how the progs defend themselves against that which they level at anyone who disagrees with them.


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Monday, May 24, 2010 12:42 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"Wulf, I just figured you spelled it "raciss" because it's pretty obvious you're quoting/mocking jive and ebonics."

Well, that too. lol

Now, anyone..

Prove that liberals, progs, far left ARE NOT raciss.

I can prove they are. Its actually pretty simple.

Curious as to how the progs defend themselves against that which they level at anyone who disagrees with them.




Well, it's pretty easy. For starters, I tend not to refer to people of other racial backgrounds as "pets", "monkeys", "animals", and "savages". You, on the other hand, DO constantly refer to people of color in such terms.

Q.E.D.

Quote:

I can prove they are. Its actually pretty simple.



So you keep saying, yet you have been singularly unable to stand and deliver. Prove us all racist, Wulfie. Go ahead, if "its" so simple. Or did you mean that YOU were simple? For certain, I hope your "proof" is more simple than contractions are, because you really totally suck at those.


I'll add this:

Quote:


The reason I spell "racist" wrong, is becuase the people who usually scream it... well, hell... they are about as intelligent as a bag of hammers.



Okay, so why do you spell "because" wrong? Is it because YOU are as dumb as a bag of hammers?

Now, by your own admission (see Bytemite's post above, and your response), you're saying that people who speak like they're inner-city blacks (what you call "jive" or "ebonics") are, in your own words again, "as intelligent as a bag of hammers."

Yeah, be sure and remind us all just how racist you aren't. That never gets old.

Me, I figure they're speaking the way they've heard the English language spoken. I guess you're saying anyone with ANY kind of regional accent is dumber than a box of rocks, eh?


Mike

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Monday, May 24, 2010 3:56 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Curious as to how the progs defend themselves against that which they level at anyone who disagrees with them.


You mean reason and logic ?

Oh, wait, YOUR codenames for those words you don't understand are something else... nvm.

Punk.

-F

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Tuesday, May 25, 2010 5:10 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important



*********
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:

The reason I spell "racist" wrong, is becuase the people who usually scream it... well, hell... they are about as intelligent as a bag of hammers.

"Wulf, I just figured you spelled it "raciss" because it's pretty obvious you're quoting/mocking jive and ebonics."

Well, that too. lol

*********

Hello,

You do realize, Wulf, that you engineer these discussions so that nobody has to try, don't you? I mean, if someone wanted to think you were racist, they wouldn't need to dig deeply to come to such a conclusion. You write the note on the back of your business card and hand it to them on a silver platter.

If you are not racist, you may want to spend some time deeply thinking about what you say before you say it. You are putting off the wrong signals. Misunderstandings do happen, but you tend to say these things with such regularity and predictability that you can't blame people for taking it the wrong way.

If, indeed, it is the wrong way.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

"You can lose a quark you don't girth." -Dreamtrove's words to live by, translated by Ipad

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Tuesday, May 25, 2010 5:49 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Oh, Wulf, give it UP! I HAVE given examples of how HEADS of the Tea Party make racist comments and have proven themselves racist, you HAVE NOT given valid examples of same for liberals. I quoted and cited extremely racist remarks by Tea Partiers; one the very head of the Tea Party Express! You replied with a cite about a movie that reflects the SLAVERY times of not wanting Blacks to have guns. You’re just choosing, in your usual fashion, to ignore facts presented on one side of the argument in favor of making generalizations and claiming things which are false but which you can “simply” prove, without offering any proof.

You offered a cite which is intended SPECIFICALLY to dissing the Left, and just to start off, it’s article talks about
Quote:

Black Panther Party and the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC) radicalized the issue of color in America by focusing on legitimate "black rage" and the "institutional racism" they claimed was embedded in the "DNA" of American society.
That’s about The BLACK PANTHERS being against Martin Luther King, it’s not about liberals as a whole, and talks about how
Quote:

wanted government policies that were color-coded. The further America progressed from the dark days of slavery, the more they insisted that slavery was present in America's social institutions and its personal interrelationships.
I assume they’re talking about the Civil Rights Act making businesses accept black customers, and of course the efforts to include Blacks in colleges, etc. The underlined statement is TRUE; they’re trying to use it against liberals I guess by saying it’s NOT true, which is absurd. Discrimination exists; liberals want to use government enforcement to END it. I could go on through the article, but the fact is it’s a completely biased article, speaks in generalities not specifics, and the entire website exists for no other reason than to push its agenda.

The third “cite” includes
Quote:

Ratigan’s attack epitomizes the liberal media’s commitment to protect Obama and his radical agenda at all costs. They have a genuine disdain for freedom, capitalism and We The People. No tactic is too low.
The article wasn’t even checked for spelling:
Quote:

Ratigan outrageously to portray the Tea Party Express but {sic} tour as
Again, no specifics, and again, incredibly biased:
Quote:

Left wing fanatics such as Ratigan have no shame. Incredibly they will throw the innocent Tea Party patriots under the bus in defense of Obama and his far left radical agenda.
It’s the same rhetoric you use, with no proof to back it up. I cited the HEAD of the Tea Party Express in his own words, you gave nothing but slanted generalities. The person who wrote the article was one Black man; a mere glimpse at any Tea Party gathering shows few, if any, faces other than White ones, and their words speak for themselves.

I posted even a picture, often used, depicting Obama as an African witch doctor, there’s the “Obama the Magic Negro” thing, the suggestion that we re-institute the literacy test—a well-known racist form of exclusionary tactics, and on and on and on. Purely put, you cannot prove liberals are racist, I’ve proven beyond a shadow of a doubt the remarks made by Tea Partiers themselves which are grossly racist.

Anthony is right; your points defeat themselves. I realize your tactic is merely to come into the debate, make the same absurd statements, and keep people riled up. But there it is in black and white: You've failed to prove your point completely; you've been PROVEN wrong with facts and figures. You offer nothing.


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Tuesday, May 25, 2010 5:59 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


"the suggestion that we re-institute the literacy test—a well-known racist form of exclusionary tactics"

Hello,

This is a suggestion I've always found amusing, and one that could easily backfire on the people who suggest it.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

"You can lose a quark you don't girth." -Dreamtrove's words to live by, translated by Ipad

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Tuesday, May 25, 2010 7:53 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
"the suggestion that we re-institute the literacy test—a well-known racist form of exclusionary tactics"

Hello,

This is a suggestion I've always found amusing, and one that could easily backfire on the people who suggest it.




Quite. Tom Tancredo recently suggested the idea of having a "civics literacy test" for anyone wanting to live in the U.S. JD Hayworth just failed his. And "Papers Please" law architect Russell Pearce just did as well. So did U.S. Congressman Duncan D. Hunter.

I guess they'd better find another country in which to live, because they aren't fit to be here, according to Tancredo's own standards.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions


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Tuesday, May 25, 2010 8:27 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


"If you are not racist, you may want to spend some time deeply thinking about what you say before you say it. You are putting off the wrong signals. Misunderstandings do happen, but you tend to say these things with such regularity and predictability that you can't blame people for taking it the wrong way.

If, indeed, it is the wrong way."

Well, the problem is that I am willing to delve into the underlying heart of issues.

For example:

Is the illegitimacy rate of blacks the cause for their problems? If so, or even if its a contributing factor, WHO has taught them to be this way and WHY?

Hint: If you want to cause a certain section of society to never be able to better themselves, here is what you do.

Make sure their families are completely dysfunctional, enslave them with handouts, dull them with drugs, make them believe they are powerless, control their access to weapons of defense, and then give them someone outside of themselves to blame.

On top of this, grant some of said population access to the higher end of things. In this way, you can completely isolate yourself from the charges laid against you. Name it something affirmative, and action oriented.

Now... who has done that the most? And why?


You can't fix a problem, unless you are willing to be honest about what the problem is.

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Tuesday, May 25, 2010 9:11 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello Wulf,

Are you suggesting that African Americans are facing challenges in our society because of a systematic plan by the people in power to

1) Make their families dysfunctional (How?)
2) Enslave them with handouts (Do you mean charity?)
3) Dull them with drugs (Do you mean Ritalin, or something else?)
4) Make them believe they are powerless. (How, again?)
5) Control their access to weapons of defense. (Please be specific.)

Is this what you are suggesting? That there is an organized effort to hurt African Americans?

And if so, then does that lead us to

6) Give them someone outside of themselves to blame?

Who exactly are you blaming all this on? And how did you come to these conclusions? And... With a belief in some evil outside force imposing these things, how are you not a victim of #6 yourself?

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

"You can lose a quark you don't girth." -Dreamtrove's words to live by, translated by Ipad

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Tuesday, May 25, 2010 9:27 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Aw, c'mon Anthony, you already know what he means.

Make their families dysfunctional probably means welfare. So does enslave them with (government) handouts.

Dull them with drugs means making illegal drugs available, which of course is the White Man's fault.

Not sure what he means by making them feel powerless--certainly discrimination did that, as did slavery, but I'm sure he's thinking of something else he can blame on the White Man--oops, or I should say "liberals".

Control their access to weapons of self-defense goes back to that "No Guns for Blacks" thing, which is outdated and was originally intended for slave owners' fears. But I'm sure liberals are to blame for that somehow.

He missed "keep them ignorant", which no doubt he will somehow tie to ending school segregation or to affirmative action or somesuch.

You're arguing logic with the illogical. Of COURSE that gives them someone outside themselves to blame; he wants to blame "libruls" for everything, you know that. And of course he doesn't deal with underlying issues; he spouts talking points, the same ones we've heard for years from the right, nothing more.

And yes, it was Tancredo's "idea" to which I was referring...it's really a moot point. The WORDS used by the Tea Party leaders speak for what they think. And their own connections (which many have shown to have to White Supremacy groups, etc.). End of story.


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Tuesday, May 25, 2010 9:36 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


"Hello Wulf,

Are you suggesting that African Americans are facing challenges in our society because of a systematic plan by the people in power to

1) Make their families dysfunctional (How?)
2) Enslave them with handouts (Do you mean charity?)
3) Dull them with drugs (Do you mean Ritalin, or something else?)
4) Make them believe they are powerless. (How, again?)
5) Control their access to weapons of defense. (Please be specific.)

Is this what you are suggesting? That there is an organized effort to hurt African Americans?

And if so, then does that lead us to

6) Give them someone outside of themselves to blame?

Who exactly are you blaming all this on? And how did you come to these conclusions? And... With a belief in some evil outside force imposing these things, how are you not a victim of #6 yourself?

--Anthony"

Yes I am, strangely enough.

1) Make their families dysfunctional (How?)

- Thru the intended result of several factors. While I believe that a woman has the right to choose, and that this law should not be changed, the perpetuated desire of woman to take full control of the breeding process has NOT led to a more harmonious union. In fact, it has done the opposite.

By making men nothing more than sperm donors, the familial structure has collapsed. Leading to higher rates of illigetimacy. Which in turn, leads to more single mothers raising children alone. Which in turn, then, leads to higher rates of poverty, while also perpetuating the cycle.

The ideal of the independant woman, has been an abysmal failure (or success depending on where you stand).
In other words:

The collapse of the so-called nuclear family (1 male, 1 female raising children) has lead to a perpetual state of poverty. It has also created a group dynamic wherein the participants are unable to fulfill the role of guidance and guardianship.

So, you have mothers giving birth to several children (of different fathers) in an effort to legitimize their own selves, while subconsiously seeking to serve their own roles.

"2) Enslave them with handouts (Do you mean charity?)"

I mean welfare. Where is the insentive to work, if you know that by NOT working, you will still recieve money to support yourself?

"3) Dull them with drugs (Do you mean Ritalin, or something else?)"

That is the plan for a different group of people, in my estimation. In this case, I mean alchohol, weed, crack ect.

4) Make them believe they are powerless. (How, again?)

- It is not your fault, you can't possibly fight against something this big, oyur choices were not yours to begin with, and you never had a chance to begin with.

5) Control their access to weapons of defense. (Please be specific.)

- http://www.jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/movieplay-ngn-swf.htm

"6) Give them someone outside of themselves to blame?

Who exactly are you blaming all this on? And how did you come to these conclusions? And... With a belief in some evil outside force imposing these things, how are you not a victim of #6 yourself?"

It is my belief that there are segments in our society who do NOT wish for people to be free.

In other words: they wish for people to be easily boxed up and controlled.

For example: You may believe in the right to bear arms, and the right to choose an abortion. For some, this is contradictory, because they have been taught, and are enforcing the belief that, if you are for one thing, you must believe all the other things that those in a specific box believe.

Its a common marketing scheme. Associate a certain belief or feeling with another, and then use that to sell a product.

In this case, the product is a belief system.

One where you are not an individual.

P.S. Im writing this fast and on the fly... if it needs clarification, please tell me.







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Tuesday, May 25, 2010 9:42 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


In a sense, NIX is the epitome of that scheme.

Her ideas are boxed within a certain structure, and she in unable to break from it.

I could get into the how and why of it, but then again...

The Bell Curve pretty much covers it.


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Tuesday, May 25, 2010 9:45 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Oh, gawd, my first impulse was to say he was blaming women, but I actually rejected it, thinking "he's not THAT stupid"!

Tho' I don't get why he thinks women have children to "legitimize" themselves...except, oh, lord, he probably means "welfare mothers". Jeez.

Well, at least I was right about the "handouts", drugs, and weapons.

As to powerlessness, fascinating, since what is Affirmative Action, grants, and the other methods used to include African-Americans in the work force?

Why bother? His answers are always pretty predictable and make about as much sense as a lot of what the ignorant Tea Partiers say.

And yes, from all appearances, the "civics literacy test" would be failed by an awful LOT of tea partiers and right-wing politicians...interesting.

Ahhh, I just caught that last post: is the only possible response; I'd love to see him prove it. No, Wulf, I mean actually PROVE it, not just hurl labels! You see, it's YOU whose "ideas are boxed within a certain structure," and it's YOU who "in[sic] unable to break from it"...else how could I so easily answer those questions FOR you??


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Tuesday, May 25, 2010 10:02 AM

FREMDFIRMA


You know what I hear in the back of my mind every time Wulf opens his mouth around here these days ?

"Leeeeeerrrroooy Jenkinssss!!"

Seriously, some people are their own sides worst enemy - I tried pointing that out to Rappy once, and realizing it was a waste of time, just started mocking them instead.

Who needs a strawman when the other side brings one for you, and then starts handing you torches ?

Remember: A closed mouth gathers no feet

-F

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Tuesday, May 25, 2010 10:04 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello Wulf,

I'm going to take a stab at speaking to you seriously about this, on the premise that you seriously believe these things and have a reasoning process that can be discussed and challenged.

First, I'd like to consult on the racial specificity of your allegations. How are any of these 6 things specific to the African American community today? It seems like all six of these things could apply to any group in a low-income or poverty bracket. Even the mythical white anglo-saxon, in low income communities.

Your article 5, for instance "Controlling access to weapons of defense" could be levied against states like California, but not against African Americans or any particular ethnic group. Rather, against all impovrished people. I'm sure you are familiar with the melting point 'Saturday night special' laws in California which require guns sold in that state to be more expensive by setting melting point standards for the frames.

So, to begin with the basic premise, how is anything that you said specific to the African American community?

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

"You can lose a quark you don't girth." -Dreamtrove's words to live by, translated by Ipad

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Tuesday, May 25, 2010 10:14 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Mmmm, good one Anthony! I didn't think of that, but everything WulfWind uses for his "argument" can be said of ghettos or inner-city groups, be they any race whatever. Of course, most ARE inhabited by Blacks, per what we see on TV, etc., so that's where his mind would go. Not racist, that, surely...?


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Tuesday, May 25, 2010 10:21 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Actually AnothyT,

Thats a good point.

It can be argued that these things are leveled at ALL considered "undesirable".

However, I am not a the point where I can fully argue that its the "rich vs. the rest" yet (if thats what you mean).

Im sorry, it just seems to me that the whole (rich vs. rest) argument is an exscuse for the so-called "redistribution" of wealth.

Again tho, with specificity..

http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/wew/articles/01/demoralizing.html

ETA: "Your article 5, for instance "Controlling access to weapons of defense" could be levied against states like California, but not against African Americans or any particular ethnic group."

The areas with the most gun control... DC, Baltimore, Chicago, NY, and California also have the highest rate of "minorities".


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Tuesday, May 25, 2010 10:49 AM

BYTEMITE


Funny enough, where Wulf's not willing, I am. I will say outright that this IS rich versus rest. But I'm not just talking about some average person with some wealth, someone from the fading upper middle class or anything, I'm talking about the movers and shakers of this world. I'm talking about the people behind G20 and the 400 HFT firms on Wallstreet and the people who attend Davos.

But aside from the racial specificity, I also disagree with his perception on what's causing the Feminization of Poverty (which is the term for what you're describing, Wulf).

It's not "control" of the breeding or women somehow becoming superior than men (how?). Poor women don't have access to birth control or abortions, they can't afford it in either travel time, and they can't pay for it, and the insurance they have access to can't and won't cover it. (Pregnancy is a pre-existing condition! Also, the recent health care bills blurs the lines about what coverage insurance can offer for birth control and abortion)

What it is is a side effect of poverty as well as a cause. A father and a mother get together. Neither the father or the mother have the money to stay together Because of the education system, neither the mother or the father have the technical or academic skills to get a job that pays enough for they to stay together. So they split up. Sometimes the father tries to stay in touch and pay child support. Sometimes he doesn't. And the mother, she just keeps getting more and more poor, and her daughters are likely to go down the same path, and it's a vicious cycle.

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Tuesday, May 25, 2010 10:53 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


"And the mother, she just keeps getting more and more poor, and her daughters are likely to go down the same path, and it's a vicious cycle."

Yes, the daughters follow that path. But what about the sons?

With no role models, and an embittered mother... where do they go?

Gangs.

Which leads to what? Crime. Drugs. Jail.

More illigentimacy.

Or if not gangs, then something similar.

Also, its not the education so much... its the desire FOR education. Which among certain groups is NOT looked upon highly.

"Poor women don't have access to birth control or abortions, they can't afford it in either travel time, and they can't pay for it, and the insurance they have access to can't and won't cover it."

Dude... you've never been in the hood. Planned Parenthood is there. Free condomns, 250 for abortions, and sex ed at 11 (not that it does much good)



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Tuesday, May 25, 2010 10:56 AM

BYTEMITE


Sure. Absolutely males are effected by this, and poverty is bad for EVERYONE.

But poverty is still really not a fault of birthcontrol or contraception.

And frankly, I agree with them not looking highly on education. What does education currently get you? Gets you chained to a cubicle, IF YOU'RE LUCKY? Blacks don't want that? SHIT, man. Good for them. If the hand that's feeding you is poisoning your food, stop trusting the hand that's feeding you. I can dig that.

Now if we had education REFORM, and actually prepared people for a life after school, and had a worthwhile system to draw these kids into, so they actually think they're doing something USEFUL, and parenting and education in general hadn't gone to shit with grown up children too afraid to do for themselves, then we wouldn't have government all happy to step in as surrogate parents, would we? But no, this doesn't happen, because then people would be harder to control.

So it's not just the blacks, we're all in this together.

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