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Tea Party isn't racist, no indeed...
Thursday, May 27, 2010 11:46 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:The Tea Party doesn't align itself with any party in power. Nor any "ism"
Quote:Although the alleged "patriot" group called by some the Tea Party movement and by others "tea baggers" or "tea bag protesters" (and blamed for much from both sides) has been portrayed as a group of rugged nonpartisan individuals, new polling data suggests this is no new independent political movement, but largely part of the GOP. Approximately three-quarters of those who identify themselves as members of the tea party national movement are either registered Republicans or lean toward the GOP. A whopping 77 percent of them voted for John McCain in the November 2008 presidential elections, says the new poll conducted by Quinnipiac University, Conn.Quote:The Tea Party movement is mostly made up of people who consider themselves Republicans," Pete A. Brown, assistant director of the university`s Polling Institute, said in a statement. "They are less educated but more interested in politics than the average Joe and Jane Six-Pack and are not in a traditional sense swing votersWhile only 33 percent of voters nation wide have a favorable opinion of Sarah Palin, 72 percent of tea party members are impressed by her, setting them outside the norm. Eighty-eight percent of those polled said if their congressional election were held today, they`d vote for the Republican candidate and 88 percent of the tea partiers are White.
Quote:The Tea Party movement is mostly made up of people who consider themselves Republicans," Pete A. Brown, assistant director of the university`s Polling Institute, said in a statement. "They are less educated but more interested in politics than the average Joe and Jane Six-Pack and are not in a traditional sense swing voters
Quote:A poll conducted by the New York Times and CBS News reveals those said to be affiliated with what has come to be known as the Tea Party Movement are majority White, older, male, educated and Republican or Republican. What are considered more controversial beliefs within the Tea Party, like those who believe the President was not born in the United States, are usually double the percentage of individuals not identifying as Tea Party members.
Quote: A new survey suggests that Americans drawn to the Tea Party movement are largely white, Republican voters who are in many ways similar to the overall voting population but disproportionately dissatisfied with the direction of the country. Quinnipiac University’s nationwide poll of 1,907 registered voters, conducted March 16-21 in the days leading up to final passage of President Obama’s contentious health care overhaul, validates many assumptions about the budding small-government protest movement. It also reinforces uncertainties about what impact tea partiers may have in the November elections. The poll found: *88 percent of those who identify with the movement are white; 15 percent of whites and 7 percent of blacks identified with the movement. *92 percent who identify with the movement are dissatisfied with the way things are going in the country, compared with 70 percent overall; 83 percent in the movement feel the government is involved in too much. *One in five white Evangelicals identifies with the movement, while 11 percent of college graduates do. Tea partiers appeared to be slightly older than most registered voters and have less formal education. *82 percent of tea partiers say if their congressional election was today, they’d vote for the Republican candidate in their district over a Democratic candidate. Overall, registered voters were divided. *72 percent of tea partiers have a favorable impression of Sarah Palin, higher than Republican voters and more than twice as high as all registered voters. In the 2008 presidential election, only 15 percent of tea partiers voted for President Obama.
Quote:I just would rather you do less projecting onto others and try comprehending more
Friday, May 28, 2010 4:39 AM
KANEMAN
Quote:Originally posted by Wulfenstar: "If you are not racist, you may want to spend some time deeply thinking about what you say before you say it. You are putting off the wrong signals. Misunderstandings do happen, but you tend to say these things with such regularity and predictability that you can't blame people for taking it the wrong way. If, indeed, it is the wrong way." Well, the problem is that I am willing to delve into the underlying heart of issues. For example: Is the illegitimacy rate of blacks the cause for their problems? If so, or even if its a contributing factor, WHO has taught them to be this way and WHY? Hint: If you want to cause a certain section of society to never be able to better themselves, here is what you do. Make sure their families are completely dysfunctional, enslave them with handouts, dull them with drugs, make them believe they are powerless, control their access to weapons of defense, and then give them someone outside of themselves to blame. On top of this, grant some of said population access to the higher end of things. In this way, you can completely isolate yourself from the charges laid against you. Name it something affirmative, and action oriented. Now... who has done that the most? And why? You can't fix a problem, unless you are willing to be honest about what the problem is.
Friday, May 28, 2010 4:47 AM
ANTHONYT
Freedom is Important because People are Important
Friday, May 28, 2010 5:07 AM
WULFENSTAR
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Quote:Originally posted by AnthonyT: Hello, I am trying to work past the shocking nature of what is being discussed. In brief: "The only way to prove it, scientifically, is to take babies, and raise them exactly the same way. 1 white, 1 black." This sampling shows that an understanding of scientific testing procedure has escaped you. Such a sampling is incapable of proving or even suggesting anything. "Isolation and those conducting the experiement would inevitably color the results ect." Isolation is, ironically, exactly what you are trying to achieve. Isolation and homogeneity of circumstances is what the test would be about. In fact, isolation and a lack of homogeneous conditions is at the heart of everything being discussed about race here. "those conducting the experiement would inevitably color the results" Yes. And those interpreting it. I never cease to be amazed how someone can look at a data-set and come to unsubstantiated conclusions. --Anthony "Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner "You can lose a quark you don't girth." -Dreamtrove's words to live by, translated by Ipad
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Quote:Originally posted by AnthonyT: "Wrong. The data is enormous. There is no debate. Sorry you don't like the findings..." Hello, You are confusing data with the conclusions that can be drawn from that data. Information is like bricks. There is no assurance that you will build anything worthwhile with it. And in fact, I don't think you have. --Anthony "Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner "You can lose a quark you don't girth." -Dreamtrove's words to live by, translated by Ipad
Friday, May 28, 2010 6:50 AM
Quote:The neutrality of this article is questioned because of systemic bias. Please see the discussion on the talk page. Please do not remove this message until the issue is resolved. This article's factual accuracy is disputed. Please see the relevant discussion on the talk page.
Quote:Nowhere on earth has a black society evolved beyond savagery...Even though they have been on earth the longest.
Quote:Egypt At the height of her power, Egypt was the greatest state in the world. Egyptian civilization lasted for thousands of years, long enough for its thinkers and scientists to have carried research to a high degree. Egyptian civilization crossed the Mediterranean and became the foundation of Greek culture. The Greeks sent their young men to be educated in Egypt. The real father of medicine is not Hippocrates, the Greek, but Imhotep, a Black man, who lived 2,000 years before him. Imhotep lived about 3000 BC, and was a towering figure. He was an architect, astronomer, poet, philosopher and chief physician to Zoser, the King of Egypt. The Black African Kings of the Fourth Dynasty built the pyramids. The Four hundred and eighty-one feet high, for more than 43 centuries it was the tallest building in the world. His nephew, King Khafre, built the Sphinx. The Sphinx is the portrait/statue of a Black King and its African features are unmistakable. Ethiopia (Cush, Thebes, Nubia, Kush, Axum, Meroe) The Cushite Empire in Africa extended far and wide: to the Red Sea, to the Axumite Kingdom in the South, to Lake Chad and Uganda. The Cushites traded with Austria, India, China, Egypt, and Axum. Ethiopia dispatched her ambassadors to the known nations of her day. The City of Thebes (No or Nowe) was the oldest and greatest center of Black civilization. It was founded in pre-history. Many of its formerly great temples were prehistoric ruins 5,000 years ago. Moorish Empire Eurocentric historians argue that Europe gave civilization to Africa, which is a complete inversion of the truth. The first civilized Europeans were the Greeks, who were chiefly civilized by the Africans of the Nile Valley. The Greeks transmitted this culture to the Romans, who finally lost it, bringing on a dark age of five hundred years. Civilization was restored to Europe when another group of Africans, the Moors, brought this dark age to an end, re-civilizing the Christian Barbarians of Europe. During the Golden Age of Islam, the Moorish Empire, with territory in both Africa and Europe, was the most advanced state in the world. A great African General named Tarik successfully invaded Spain in 711 AD at the head of an army of 12,000 men. He landed at a place later re-named in his honor the Hill of Tarik or, in Arabic, Gebel Tarik, which later became corrupted to Gibraltar. It was because the conquering army in Spain was largely made up of Africans from Morocco that we hear such phrases as “The Moorish Invasion of Spain,” and why Shakespeare's hero, Othello, is a Moor, and why the word "Blackamoor" exists in the English language, a word which leaves no doubt as to the color of the army of occupation in Spain. Moorish monarchs lived in splendid palaces, while the crowned heads of England, France, and Germany lived in big barns, lacking both windows and chimneys, with only a hole in the roof for the emission of smoke. Education was universal in Moorish Spain, available to the most humble, while in Christian Europe ninety-nine percent of the population was illiterate, and even Kings could neither read nor write. Scientific progress in astronomy, chemistry, physics, mathematics, geography, and philosophy flourished in Moorish Spain. By 1492, the Moors had lost all of Spain except the Kingdom of Granada. The Moorish ruler, King Boabdil, was driven out of Spain by the resurgent Christian forces of Ferdinand and Isabella in the year that Columbus visited the New World. Numerous Moors lingered in Spain awhile, but by 1610, through expulsion and migration, about a million of them had returned to North and West Africa. The decline and fall of the Moorish Empire was a great setback to modern civilization. Had this great African culture been able to survive, the world would be five hundred years more advanced than it is today. Ghana The ancient Black Empire of Ghana, known as the Land of Gold, was established in the western Sudan. The northern boundary of this region is the Sahara Desert. The western and southern borders are Lake Chad. The known history of Ghana extends for 44 kings before the Christian era. The pre-eminence of Ghana was based on gold and iron. The use of iron revolutionized the social and military systems. At this time, the King of Ghana was the ruler of a great empire and could organize an army of two hundred thousand men. The world-renowned University of Sankore was at Timbuktu. It is believed that the reasons for the decline of the Empire of Ghana (not to be confused with the modern nation of the same name) include: the southward expansion of the Sahara Desert, drought leading to famine, and civil strife over the succession to the throne. Mali The Empire of Mali is also called the Mellestine Empire. The people of this empire were Black Africans of the Mandingo tribe. This tribe was originally situated in what are now Guinea and Sierra Leone and points north. Their capital was called Niani on the banks of the upper Niger River. The Mandingos were a successful agricultural people. This contributed to a rapidly growing population. The Mandingos developed market towns that later grew into cities and states. In 1326 the Mali King Mansa Musa made a famous pilgrimage to Mecca, the Holy City of the Muslims. He had with him 500 slaves, each carrying a rod of gold weighing 6 pounds, and 60,000 mounted warriors for protection. He dispensed his gold liberally along the way and in Mecca as a gift of charity. It was said that, ten years later, the economy of Egypt was still affected by his visit. The City of Timbuktu in what is now Mali was founded in the latter part of the 1st Century AD. Mansa Musa is remembered not only for his pilgrimage to Mecca and his military conquests, but also for the great buildings he erected in his capital of Timbuktu. The Songhay Empire Also Known As the Empire of Timbuktu The Songhay Empire arose in the 15th Century AD, on the foundations of the earlier Empire of Mali, and lasted until approximately 1590 AD The Songhay Empire was even greater in land area than the Empire of Mali. At its peak, it stretched from the Atlantic Ocean past Lake Chad to the Sudan. The Songhay Empire was founded in 1464 by Sonni Ali, a common soldier of the Songhay people. Askia established harmony among the conflicting religious and political elements of his vast realm. He divided the empire into four parts, placing a Viceroy over each. He constructed harbors and dug canals along the mighty Niger River and its tributaries. He built a merchant fleet and a war fleet to facilitate commerce and to protect it. His ships traded with Portugal and the Mediterranean. His land caravans went to Cairo, Egypt, Algiers, Morocco and Baghdad. Timbuktu, the cultural capital of Songhay, became the center of the Mohammedan world and was known as the "Queen of the Sudan" and the "Mecca of the Sudan". Science and learning flourished. Wise men of whatever color or religion were welcomed at Timbuktu, where they were handsomely subsidized and honored. Timbuktu was one of the world's great centers of learning and commerce.
Quote:Many ancient and medieval writers commented on how skin color correlated with intelligence. To the shock of many modern readers the Greeks and Romans equated dark skin with intelligence and lighter skin with stupidity. The Greek historian Lucian (125?-90) wrote that the Ethiopians (name for all black people), "Being in all else wiser than other men," invented astrology and taught it to the Egyptians.1 Aristotle (398-332BC) believed that, "The races that live in…. Europe are full of courage and passion but somewhat lacking in skill and brain power."
Quote:"They (whites) lack keenness of understanding and clarity of intelligence, and are overcome by ignorance and dullness, lack of discernment, and stupidity."
Quote:It is normal for communities to believe that their culture, their values and their traditions are better than other competitive people. However, it is unfair to use pseudo-scientific psychological instruments to prove that some races are better than the others. It is unfair to label the blacks with low IQ level. The supporters of low black intelligence claim that IQ test results since 1939 prove that the black white difference has been constantly figuring at 1.0 to 1.1 Standard Deviations (SD). This statistical claim was broken in 1997 when Armed Force Qualification Test (AFQT) showed difference of 0.97 SD in the black intelligence. The IQ score results taken with Woodcock-Johnson Intelligence test and the Wechsler Intelligence Scale for Children (WISC-IV) also tell a different story.
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Quote:The first king of all Egypt was Menes, whose pictures and statues portray him as a dark-skinned Black man.
Quote:MENES: THE WORLD'S FIRST BLACK GENERAL The Ancient Egyptians play a very important role. As African people, they left an indelible legacy that is still under excavation today.
Quote:The real father of medicine is not Hippocrates, the Greek, but Imhotep, a Black man, who lived 2,000 years before him.
Quote:Born into a Black commoner family, Imhotep’s intelligence was tangible from an early age, and he quickly acceded to the position of chief architect to the Third Dynasty Pharoah Djoser (r. 2688-2668 BCE), the first recorded architect we know by name. Imhotep later became famous as a priest and doctor, again the first named medical practitioner in at least Egypt, known for his skill as a pharmacist and treater of conditions including appendicitis, gout and arthritis. Imhotep’s most important legacy, however, is that he is the first individual we know of to become deified (glorified as a God) after death – THE FIRST RECORDED HUMAN ROOT OF RELIGION (emphasis added). During the Late Period of Egypt he became the God of Medicine (bronze Imhotep statues similar to the one pictured became a compulsory possession of all practicing doctors), and records of his worship extend in Greece and the Middle East until the 7th century.
Quote: "Imhotep, the name originates from Egypt. It’s the name of a black Egyptian genius who lived around 1800BC and designed the first step pyramid in Egypt.
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Quote:Originally posted by Wulfenstar: Then what is the truth, according to you Anthony?
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Quote:Originally posted by Wulfenstar: No worries, I'll wait.
BYTEMITE
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Quote:People have been talking racism for centuries. People continue to be racists. How do we solve this problem. Everybody has dealt with it, politicians, spiritual leaders, community activitists, and the problems of racism continue. First, we have to admit that racism is a problem and that it’s a psycho-social problem. But racists are like alcoholics. In Alcoholics Anonymous and Gamblers Anonymous, first the people have to admit they have a problem. Admit they are out of control alcoholics, admit that they are out of control gamblers before they can solve the problem. The problem with racism and racialism is that almst everybody denies it.
Quote:The prejudice that we confront is often a factor of education, economics and social condition. People who have limited education generally do not have the broadening experiences that will allow them to see beyond skin color. This creates a social condition where people are more comfortable among their own race, class and level of education. People who are struggling financially often feel threatened by those who they feel are competing for the same jobs. These are some of the factors can lead to a bias that an outsider perceives as racism.
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Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: Well... Let's be fair. When you're referring to the Kings and Queens of Europe living in barns, that is one function of the castle "keep" (especially since barns have also been used as grain storage, and the main purpose of a keep was to have food storage in the event of a siege). And Castles, yes, honestly didn't not even have much in the way of amenities, not even a sewage system or running water, which the Greeks, Romans, and Arabic world DID have. But those castles are still pretty impressive, and you have to remember all the wars and intrigues and petty politics that meant people in Europe had to live in spartan fortresses all the time. The moors invented algebra, and of course Ptolemy influenced the course of astronomy and even european christian religions for over one thousand years. Europe did have alchemists, though. And even though we make fun of it now as pseudoscience, it wasn't all cheap tricks. One of them invented Calculus.
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DREAMTROVE
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KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Friday, May 28, 2010 11:46 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Wulfenstar: So Nix, whats your solution then? No more throwing money at it, no more blaming whitey, no more allowing for things to continue the way they are. Whats your solution? and please dont take the "education is key" way out either. Tho it might be, its a refuge for people who want to wash their hands of the problem and get out of the conversation. Now you are in it, answer. Whats the solution?
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