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More than 10 people have been killed after Israeli commandos stormed a convoy of ships carrying aid to the Gaza Strip, the Israeli army says

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Originally posted by mincingbeast:
When a blockade is duly established even a neutral metchant vessel may be sunk if it attempts to breach the blockade, or if it refuses an order to stop. There is no international law guaranteeing free passage of humanitarian assistance

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Egypt also is engaged in this blockade of Gaza. We must be ready to assume it has all the racist, genocidal motives which Israel is being accused.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
If these ships were boarded in international waters, as has been suggested, then this statement may not be correct. I think international law guarantees free passage of whatever in international waters.

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I am waiting for more information on the details of the assault so that I know just how bad this is.

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If this attack happened in Isreali waters then Isreal has the right to board and inspect any vessel they choose. If during their inspection their soldiers were attacked then they have the right to defend themselves.

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The video is clear that Isreali soldiers were attacked after they boarded the ship and they opened fire only after suffering a number of injuries and the threat of additional injury, death, or capture. While this alone does not demonstrate right or wrong...it demonstrates reckless disregard by the folks attacking the armed soldiers. It does not take an international law expert to tell you that if your trying to beat to death a guy with a gun...he might shoot you. So on an individual basis I think you can't blame the soldiers who neither overreacted or got out of control.

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US taxdollars at work in Israel

CSPAN caller: "I, for one, am sick and tired of all these Jews coming on C-span and other stations and pushing us to go to war against our Muslim friends. They're willing to spend the last drop of American blood and treasure to get their way in the world. They have way too much power in this country. People like Wolfowitz and Feith and the other neo-cons that jewed us into Iraq; and now we're going to spend the next 60 years rehabilitating our soldiers. I'm sick and tired of it."
CIA agent Michael Scheuer: I think that American foreign policy, of course, is eventually up to the American people. One of the big things that we've not been able to discuss in this country for the last 30 years is our policy towards the Israelis. Whether we want to be involved in fighting Israel's wars in the future is something that Americans should be able to talk about. They may vote yes. They may want to see their kids killed in Iraq or Yemen or somewhere else to protect Israel. But the question is, we need to talk about it. Ultimately Israel as a country is of no particular worth to the United states...strategically - they have no resources we need, their manpower is minimal, their association with us is a negative for the United states. Now that's a fact. What you want to do about that fact is entirely different, but for anyone to stand up in the United states and say that our support for Israel doesn't hurt us in the world - our our support for Hosni Mubarak's dictatorship doesn't hurt us, is to just defy reality."
-CSPAN, 5 Jan 2010
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/135427
youtube.com/watch?v=r92wQDmk-RU

Hamas Was Founded by Israeli Mossad
http://www.wariscrime.com/2008/12/29/news/hamas-was-founded-by-mossad/
http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_watson_012703_hamas.html
http://www.democracynow.org/2006/1/26/how_israel_and_the_united_states
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123275572295011847.html

The Complete Guide to Killing Non-Jews - by Rabbi Od Yosef Hai Yeshiva, 9 Nov 2009
http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2009/11/19/updated-version-of-the-com
plete-guide-to-killing-non-jews/

British court indicts Israeli minister for warcrimes in Gaza
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=41155

Israeli Law of Return only allows citizenship for jews
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Return

It's a felony to preach Christianity in Israel.
http://healtheland.wordpress.com/2008/12/16/christian-persecution-aler
t-messianic-jews-arrested-in-israel/

Christians in Jerusalem want Jews to stop spitting on them
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=487412&contrassI
D=2&subContrassID=5&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y

The Life of an American Jew in Racist Marxist Israel Where Christianity Is a Felony
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/israel.htm


Mohel Rabbi Yosef David Weisburg sucking penis during circumcism bris ritual, Jerusalem Post Magazine, Nov. 5, 1976, page 14
http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/salafi/KosherTopJobs.htm

"A circumcision ritual practiced by some Orthodox Jews has alarmed city health officials, who say it may have led to three cases of herpes - one of them fatal - in infants. But after months of meetings with Orthodox leaders, city officials have been unable to persuade them to abandon the practice. The practice is known as oral suction, or in Hebrew, metzitzah b'peh: after removing the foreskin of the penis, the practitioner, or mohel, sucks the blood from the wound to clean it."
-Andy Newman, New York Times, "City Questions Circumcision Ritual After Baby Dies," August 26, 2005
www.piratenews.org/pedophile-jewish-rabbis-kill-babies.html

“A proselyte who is under the age of three years and a day is permitted to marry a priest.”
-Rabbi Simeon ben Yohai, creator of Kabbalah

"How could they [the rabbis], contrary to the opinion of R. Simeon ben Yohai, which has scriptural support, forbid the marriage of the young proselyte?"
-Sanhedrin 60b, Footnote 5, jewish Babylonian Talmud

“All agree that the connection of a boy aged nine years and a day is a real connection; whilst that of one less than eight years is not."
-Sanhedrin 69b, jewish Babylonian Talmud

"Because a boy under 9 is sexually immature, he can't throw guilt on the active offender, morally or legally."
-Sanhedrin 55a, jewish Babylonian Talmud

"The intercourse of a small boy is not regarded as a sexual act."
-Kethuboth 11b, Footnote 1, jewish Babylonian Talmud

"A male aged nine years and a day who cohabits with his deceased brother's wife acquires her (as wife)."
-Sanhedrin 55b, jewish Babylonian Talmud

"R. Joseph said: Come and hear! A maiden aged three years and a day may be acquired in marriage by coition and if her deceased husband’s brother cohabits with her, she becomes his."
-Sanhedrin 55b, jewish Babylonian Talmud

"A girl who is three years of age and one day may be betrothed by cohabitation."
-Yeb. 57b, jewish Babylonian Talmud

"A maiden aged three years and a day may be acquired in marriage by coition, and if her deceased husband’s brother cohabited with her she becomes his.
-Sanhedrin 69a, 69b, Yeb. 60b, jewish Babylonian Talmud

"R. Simeon b. Yohai stated: A proselyte who is under the age of three years and one day is permitted to marry a priest, for it is said, But all the women children that have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves, and Phineas (who was priest, the footnote says) surely was with them."
-Yebamoth 60b, jewish Babylonian Talmud

"But all women children, that have not known man by lying with him, it must be concluded that Scripture speaks of one who is fit for cohabitation."
-Yebamoth 60b, Footnote, jewish Babylonian Talmud

“As soon as she was of age one hour and did not protest she cannot protest any more.”
-Kethuboth 11a, jewish Babylonian Talmud

"When a grown up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing, for when a girl is less than this 6, it is as if one puts a finger into the eye 7?"
-Kethuboth 11b, jewish Babylonian Talmud

"less than three years old"
-Kethuboth 11b, Footnote 6, jewish Babylonian Talmud

"Virginity comes back to the little girl under three years."
-Kethuboth 11b, Footnote 7, jewish Babylonian Talmud

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness. Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity."
-Jesus Christ, Matthew 23:27, 28, Christian Bible (murdered by jewish rabbis, now boiling in excrement in Hell according to jewish Bablylonian Talmud)

“Just the Jews are humans, the Non-Jews are no humans, but cattle.”
-Jewish Babylonian Talmud, Kerithuth 6b page 78, Jebhammoth 61a (goyim = human cattle)

“The Non-Jews have been created to serve the Jews as slaves.”
-Jewish Babylonian Talmud, Midrasch Talpioth 225

“The Non-Jews have to be avoided, even more than sick pigs.”
-Jewish Babylonian Talmud, Orach Chaiim 57, 6a

“Sexual intercourse with Non-Jews is like sexual intercourse with animals.”
-Jewish Babylonian Talmud, Kethuboth 3b

“The birth-rate of the Non-Jews has to be suppressed massively.”
-Jewish Babylonian Talmud, Zohar II, 4b

“Everywhere they (the Jews) come, they will be the princes of the lords.”
-Jewish Babylonian Talmud, Sanhedrin 104a

“I (Jahveh) make you (the Jewry) the ancestor of the peoples, I make you the selected one amongst the peoples, I make you the king over the peoples, I make you the loved one amongst the peoples, I make you the best one amongst the peoples, I make you the trusted one amongst the peoples.”
-Jewish Babylonian Talmud, Schabbat 105a

“Jews always have to try to deceive Non-Jews.”
-Jewish Babylonian Talmud, Zohar I, 168a

“Every Jew is allowed to use lies and perjury to bring a Non-Jew to ruin.”
-Jewish Babylonian Talmud, Babha Kama 113a

“The possessions of the goyim are like an ownerless desert, and everybody (every Jew) who seizes it, has acquired it.”
-Jewish Babylonian Talmud, IV/3/54b

“When the Messiah comes, all will be slaves of the Jews.”
-Jewish Babylonian Talmud, Erubin 43b

"Judaism is one of the oldest living esoteric traditions in the world. Virtually every form of Western mysticism and spiritualism known today draws upon Jewish mythic and occult teachings—magic, angelology, alchemy, numerology, astral projection, astrology, amulets, altered states of consciousness, alternate healing and rituals of power—all have roots in the Jewish occult."
—Rabbi Geoffrey W. Dennis, Jewish Myth, Magic, and Mysticism (2007)

"They are our public enemies. They do not stop blaspheming our Lord Christ, calling the Virgin Mary a whore, Christ, a bastard, and us changelings or 'meal calves'. If they could kill us all, they would gladly do it. They do it often, especially those who pose as physcians—though sometimes they help—for the devil helps to finish it in the end. They can also practice medicine as in French Switzerland. They administer poison to someone from which he could die in an hour, a month, a year, ten or twenty years. They are able to practice this art."
-Pastor Martin Luthor PhD, founder of the Protestant religion, first Christian to allow marriage for preachers, author of the first translation of the Bible besides Latin, sentenced to death by the Catholic King Pope, poisoned by kosher food, sermon in Eisleben, Germany, 1546
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_and_antisemitism
http://www.humanitas-international.org/showcase/chronography/documents
/luther-jews.htm

"The Apostle Paul, in the New Testament, reported that it was the Jews who stirred up the Romans and incited such fierce animosity of nations against the Christian Church. Historians record that Emperor Nero, after marrying a Jewess, converted to Judaism and swiftly became a persecutor of Christians. Darkly inspired by his newfound Jewish faith, the mad Nero fed many to the lions at the Colosseum, sawed others in half, and sentenced many others to be crucified. According to encyclopedias, the ravages of the Catholic Inquisition in Spain, in which thousands of innocents were slain and tortured, suffering the most cruel of fates, being branded, painfully wracked by ghoulish devices and instruments, and finally burned at the stake, were overseen by a Jewish convert to the papacy—Spaniard Tomás de Torquemada (1420-1498). The Jewish-born Torquemada must have been filled with glee at the opportunity to so fiendishly torment true Christian believers."
-Professor Texe Marrs PhD, Captain USAF Intelligence, author and publisher of millions of books
http://www.texemarrs.com/062010/inventors_of_evil_things_article.htm

"Fuck Obama! White Power! Fuck the niggers! Obama, who even knows if he was born in the United States? We haven't seen his birth certificate yet. I'm a jew, I'm Israel. Obama, I'm gonna teabag your ass and put it on youtube, faggot."
-White jews in Israel, June 2009
video: www.tu.tv/videos/feeling-the-hate-in-jerusalem-on-eve-of
http://radarsite.blogspot.com/2009/06/youth-in-israel-speak-out-about-
obamas.html
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1244371044168&pagename=JPAr
ticle/ShowFull
youtube.com/watch?v=Ze5dbxPO8cU

Obama's boss jew Soros: 'I am God!'
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=42715&m=770647#770647

"'We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq,' Ma'ariv quoted the former prime minister as saying. He reportedly added that these events 'swung American public opinion in our favor.'"
-Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu says 9/11 terror attacks good for Israel, 16 April 2008
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/975574.html

"The Israeli Defense Force is a 500-pound gorilla in Israel. Known to disregard international law to accomplish mission. Fratricide a concern especially in air space management. MOSSAD: Wildcard. Ruthless and cunning. Has capability to target US forces and make it look like a Palestinian/Arab act."
-Jedi Knights, SAMS US Army School of Advanced Military Studies, Washington Times, 10 September 2001

"In Sept of last year, Adam Gadahn [Perlman], the son of Jewish parents, the son of Jewish grandparents [on the board of directors of Jewish ADL] in California, who himself converted to Islam, went on to become Osama Bin Laden's spokesman."
-Rep Jane Harman, CSPAN, November 6, 2007
http://www.fbi.gov/page2/oct2006/gadahn101106.htm
http://www.piratenews.org/flight93.html

Obama's White House chief of staff is an Israeli citizen and Israeli soldier who cannot get a security clearance, yet has access to US Top Secrets.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahm_Emanuel

"Them Jews ain't going to let him talk to me. I told my baby daughter that he'll talk to me in five years when he's a lame duck, or in eight years when he's out of office. They will not let him to talk to somebody who calls a spade what it is. I said from the beginning: He's a politician; I'm a pastor. He's got to do what politicians do. Ethnic cleansing is going on in Gaza. Ethnic cleansing by the Zionist is a sin and a crime against humanity, and they don't want Barack talking like that because that's anti-Israel."
-Rev Jeremiah Wright

Semite: A member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including ARABS.
—Merriam Webster Dictionary;

"A 'Semite' is any person living in that area, including Arabs and Christians. It's time we start talking about 'The Other AntiSemitism'. A Semite is not a Jew living in America or Europe."
—Ralph Nader (Arab from Lebannon), C-SPAN, 2003
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars
www.khazaria.com
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi
www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/Ashkenazim.html
http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/culture/?id=35105

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But if it's in international waters, then I'm pretty sure people on a ship being involuntarily boarded have a right to defend themselves against the boarders.

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I assume you're kidding. A ship with a manifest intent to breach an established blockade, that is warned repeatedly, and knee deep in the attempt, is entitled to use violence as part of the attempt by virtue of international waters?

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Originally posted by mincingbeast:
Byte, I typed Hamas and meant Hamas. That the Palestinians elected Hamas does not speak highly of democratic elections, or the Palestinians (for that matter, Netanyahu's election). I may be a joo, and idiot, but I can at least keep my genocidal groups straight.

Take everything I say with a grain of Kosher salt. I am not an expert on international, but fail to see how the exact location of the flotilla matters so long as it was attempting to run the blockade.

I candidly admit that I do not know the full scope of the blockade, but I have heard complaints that it prevents gaza fishermen from doing their job. That makes the blockade the trouble. Would people really be less offended if this went down a mile from shore?

Anyway, I appreciate those who have resisted hysterical moral preening and faux macho posturing on this issue. I know how hard it is to resist chest thumping when joos are involved.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
I do grant the point that it's ridiculous that who is in the right here should be based on something as arbitrary as location.

Personally, my feeling is that the Israelis just wanted to defend their country from gun smuggling, which is understandable (if that's true), and the flotilla just wanted to bring food and medicine to Palestinians. So, if I look at it as both groups had good intentions, then this is just a sad mistake.

I also note that I would really, really appreciate it if Israel stopped MAKING sad mistakes. It'd be good for Israel's image, too, because some people think they're actually doing it on purpose.

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Location, location, location. It makes all the difference in the world. If I head south from Key West, that doesn't show a clear intent that I'm headed to Cuba. I might be, I might not be. You don't know their INTENT if they're still dozens or hundreds of miles away.

As to how they boarded the ships and why they were "attacked"... Well, if someone knocks on my door, I can say, "No, thank you"; if they drop onto my roof, I have to assume I'm under attack, and that they aren't there to try to sell me on The Watchtower. Capisce? Someone drops onto my boat from a helo in open water, I'm thinking it's pirates, and I'm gonna defend myself with whatever I have.

Silly me, but I thought there was some group of people who were cheered as "heroes" for trying something similar aboard a certain Flight 93 on September 11th. When under attack, do you NOT have the right to defend yourself with all possible methods and weapons? I thought self-defense was supposed to be one of those "inalienable rights" we supposed all men were born with.

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I have not read the minds of any of the activists, but am certain that they intended to brech the blockade. Short of telepathy, I'll settle for circumstantial evidence. The flotilla organizers knew the blockade would prevent them from reaching Gaza, and deliberately organized in spite of it. Their course was set on the blockade, and they ignored orders to turn around. This better represents intent than an argument over miles.

I do hope nobody drops on your roof, but if they did, I don't begrudge your surprise. It would be unlike like having IDF commandos board your ship after warning you to turn around. The parties weren't exactly strangers at this point--each side knew what the other was doing. The activists wanted to deliver goods; the Israelis wanted to stop them.

I'm not prepared to say that clubbing IDF soldiers under the circumstances was reasonable, anymore than I'm prepared to say that the blockade is reasonable.

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I'm not prepared to say that clubbing IDF soldiers under the circumstances was reasonable, anymore than I'm prepared to say that the blockade is reasonable.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
I do grant the point that it's ridiculous that who is in the right here should be based on something as arbitrary as location.

Personally, my feeling is that the Israelis just wanted to defend their country from gun smuggling, which is understandable (if that's true), and the flotilla just wanted to bring food and medicine to Palestinians. So, if I look at it as both groups had good intentions, then this is just a sad mistake.

I also note that I would really, really appreciate it if Israel stopped MAKING sad mistakes. It'd be good for Israel's image, too, because some people think they're actually doing it on purpose.

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Originally posted by CatPirate:
The aid is already flowing. This was gonna happen because the activists aren't peaceful. Clubs and knives against the commandos. Israel lets those boats in here comes more weapons. Just remember the rancher in Arizona complained and complained about those poor humble mexicans now he is dead. There ya go. piratecat

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Originally posted by Niki2:
I'm late, and someone might already have mentioned this, but it seems to me it's not as cut-and-dried as it's made to appear. Loth as I am to speak up for the Israelis, as everyone know I blame them AT LEAST as much as the Palestinians, but check this out:

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Accounts of what happened conflicted. Israeli officials said the commandos acted in self defense after being attacked with clubs and knives, while activists charged that the commandos fired on sleeping civilian passengers.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100601/wl_mideast_afp/israelconflictgaza
un_20100601084407

I read this in more than one place. Apparently all the ships but one stopped and let themselves be boarded and inspected. On this one, the minute the Israeli soldiers boarded, they were attacked, according to these reports.

Now, I'm not sure we'll know the whole truth of the incident ever, but it does make me question. Why would only ONE ship be submitted to Israeli attack out of nowhere? Is it possible that one ship WAS carrying something they knew they shouldn't be? Why is (as far as I can tell) nobody here mentioning this?

I'd welcome a thorough investigation, tho' I fear the bias on both sides (and their backers in the UN, US and around the world) will make one impossible.

Just sayin'...


Operative Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
signing off


To our President: “Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar. Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.... oh, go fuck yourself, Mr. President” ...Raptor

To Anthony, unquestionably the most civil person on this forum: “Go fuck yourself. On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. ...Raptor

To Frem: “You miserable piece of shit.” ...Raptor

...so much for "together"...this, instead, weakens us...

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Phoenix rose

The IDF video is a disconnected string of segments from the attack, edited by the Israelis to create the impression you just posted without ever actually saying it because, of course, they knew better.

The clubbing did not lead to the killings, the killings happened first. The commandos would have kill more of them if they had not halted the attackers by attacking them with clubs. It was a fairly ept counter attack for people who were seriously outgunned. Sure, i'm sure it was brutal, on the other hand, the victims in this case were busy murdering aid workers.

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