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"You even called drilling – safe, environmentally-friendly drilling offshore – as raping the outer continental shelf," Palin said at the debate. "There – with new technology, with tiny footprints even on land, it is safe to drill and we need to do more of that."

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Because she speaks the truth, no matter how much some don't want to hear it.

The EcoNazis are the ones who prevent us from drilling in more accessible areas, pushing us out to drill in deeper and more hazardous areas, like 1 mile below the Gulf of Mexico, catastrophes like what we're faced with now might not have to happen.

Had we been allowed to drill in ANWR, for example.....

Physics doesn't lie. There's nothing that comes close to the yield of energy and low cost as with oil.

If there were, we'd be using it.

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Okay, that finishes it for me. Crappy is ONLY here to act as a troll, end of story. That he can ignore all the clips and videos that are being shown of Sarahcuda calling for offshore drilling proves it. His one and only purpose here is to stir up trouble. I don’t plan on making any effort to reason with him (not that it’s been possible until now anyway) and will ignore him except to mock him.

Because they’re all over the place; the woman is lying through her teeth and everyone with two brain cells to rub together knows it. She’s repeatedly called for offshore drilling in her “drill baby drill” screech; none of this has anything to do with that.

I don’t know why she maintains any kind of credibility, either Anthony, it’s a mystery. Closest I can come is that her sycophants watch NOTHING but FauxNews and have their ears firmly closed to anything and everything else. Because I’ll bet dollars to donuts you won’t hear about her current lie THERE, they’ll back her to the hilt.

If one doesn’t know what insanity she spouts, maybe one can maintain some kind of approval of her—if one ever had it. Probably she’s just the shill guys think is hot (?!?!) and women think is a housewife just like them (!?!?!) or something. But she’s lied, shown her stupidity, her ineptness, and the fact that she’s ONLY out for herself and to make a buck, over and over so many times that you simply have to put blinders on and plug your ears and go “neener, neener, I can’t hear you” to have any possible kind of respect for her.

Not sure why this is a thread, actually. All those with brains know about Sarahcuda; all those with brains know they’d be drilling offshore whether they were drilling in ANWAR or anywhere ELSE; all those with brains know we “greenies” have NEVER said drilling was safe anywhere and have been screaming about the potential disasters and that drilling offshore is the MOST potentially dangerous of all, since before Exxon Valdez.

But you see, it works for her. She can say anything she wants, anything at all—she could probably even say the sun revolves around the earth—and her audience would applaud. She’s grokked that, so there will be no stopping the blatant lies as long as she’s out there spewing them, and “her” people will continue to believe her.

I don’t think the message will give them any trouble; if you hadn’t noticed, there are many in the Tea Party and on the right who are STILL in favor of drilling, offshore even, and will continue to be always. They want “safer” drilling, and one of the heads of the Parish in LA has even said they need to drill MORE to keep the economy going and jobs alive, even while we clean up the spill. It’s not a mindset you’re going to be able to get past, that should have been obvious years ago, hell given the fact that oil is finite, we’re going to run out of it, and the wars, etc., it has caused, you’d think everyone would be up in arms to get away from it. But that’s one of those things which also was one of the reasons given for conspiracy theorists: It’s too scary to think of the changes coming to our lifestyle when we either move away from oil or we run out; so deny, deny, deny. Works for them. And for her.

Sarah Palin is the worst joke the Republican Party has played on America in recent years...and I include Bachman, FauxNews, “Not A Maverick” McCain, Limbaugh, Beck, and What’s-her-name, that blonde bimbom all wrapped in one.

We all know that; they can’t bear to even THINK it; so why bother? Why show their facts to be wrong, why show she and others lie blatantly, why even TRY to debate them, why bother at all?

(Sorry Anthony, I just can't resist the temptation to change the title...you're free to change it back)


Hippie Operative Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
signing off


To our President: “Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar. Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.... oh, go fuck yourself, Mr. President” ...Raptor

To Anthony, unquestionably the most civil person on this forum: “Go fuck yourself. On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. ...Raptor

To Frem: “You miserable piece of shit.” ...Raptor

To Niki: “My guess is it won't just be your ugly face you dislike.....Well, it's true......if you had a soul.” ...Raptor

...Remember, remember, the ugliest member...

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Hello,

I will say this: We do need safer drilling. However, until every existing oil well has been inspected by new teams, and additional safety measures are installed, it's too soon to talk about new drilling operations.

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Also, I am not sure that new operations will be necessary. If we go big on alternative energies, we can be gas and diesel free within 40 years (Assuming 2.5% energy replacement per year.)

I think this is entirely possible. Once we need oil only for plastics and lubricants, the existing wells should provide the oil we need for a long time.

There's also the possibility that organic oil sources will be found for plastics and lubricants, meaning we can grow as much as we like when we need it.

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This is not the climate to be talking about drilling. If we ever drill again, we will need a complete overhaul of drilling technology and procedures. We will need a new regulatory agency. We will need new inspection criteria. New everything. This will take years. Let's fix what we've done before we move on. If we're lucky, we'll never need to drill again.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
"I don't want to be argumentative - really, I don't - but I have to point out that in my opinion, this is EXACTLY the time to be talking about drilling, to be laying the ground rules for how we move forward, while it's still hot in people's minds. 20 years after the Exxon Valdez disaster, we had people with small minds and short memories - including our President - imagining, and saying out loud, that we can be completely "safe" about how we get our oil. We can't. We can be safER, but we can never be completely SAFE when we're drilling for oil, onshore, or off.

This might be the perfect climate to decide exactly how we're going to go about drilling, given that for the foreseeable future, we WILL be needing oil."

Hello Mike,

You have not been argumentative at all. I agree we will need oil for some time.

Allow me to rephrase my assertion.

This is not the time to open up new drilling areas for exploitation, nor to launch new oil operations on existing approved territory. We have to continue existing operations, obviously, but this is not the time to talk about new drilling.

Things have to follow a logical sequence.

1) Disaster occurs. (check)

2) All new operations are ceased. (check)

3) Disaster is investigated. All failures are documented. (in process)

4) Experts debate the best way to avoid future failures.

5) Government processes are improved/replaced.

6) Corporate processes are improved/replaced.

7) Disaster response procedures are enhanced.

8) New rig designs are submitted that incorporate additional safeguards.

9) New drilling is enabled.


Step 9 is years away from step 1.

This is NOT the time to talk about new oil drilling. We still haven't reached step 4. Step 3 will take many more months, at least.

In the interval before we reach step 9, it's possible that we can cut oil consumption by 5%.

I think this is both logical and workable.

--Anthony




"On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you." --Auraptor

"This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hide it behind, is all. Make sure to remember it once they put the mask back on." --Fremdfirma

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Hello,

It pains me to keep you there. But you are not sorry for your insults, and so I must remember.

We will speak again when that changes.

--Anthony

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It pains me to keep you there. But you are not sorry for your insults, and so I must remember.

We will speak again when that changes.

--Anthony

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You said you were against my POSITION, not my " tone". That's no fine distinction.

My POSITION has been plainly explained, and even Kwickie ( of all folks ) agreed w/ me.

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How anyone can side w/ the Federal NON response to this catastrophe, is incomprehensible. I'll offer the same insults, the same scorn, the same profanity to ANYONE who blindly accepts the lie that " everything that can be done has been done ". Words amount to nothing when the fragile ecosystem of the LA Gulf coast is destroyed because Gov't bureaucrats want to hold more meetings, assemble more blue ribbon panels, and placing its boot on the throat of the very folks they're relying on to solve this problem. BRAVO.

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So, fuss all you want about my tone, my language, what ever....but I stand by my outrage. If YOU want to reassess YOUR position, have at it.

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I didn't see anyone saying "everything that can be done has been done"; I see YOU claiming that "N O T H I N G" is being done, and then "less than nothing" - both of which are categorically false and easily disprovable.

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I didn't see anyone saying "everything that can be done has been done"; I see YOU claiming that "N O T H I N G" is being done, and then "less than nothing" - both of which are categorically false and easily disprovable.

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You are factually wrong on both accounts.

Obama said almost that exactly, verbatim. And for well over 3 weeks , after Gov. Jindhal and the parish presidents were SCREAMING for action - Obama did absolutely nothing.

When both GOP Jindhal and Dem Carville are saying the EXACT same thing, you have to know it's well beyond mere partisan politics. This is straight up about the environment, about life, about doing what NEEDS doing. There is no middle ground here. There is no " well, one could say... " Bullshit. Talky time has long been over, and the ineffectiveness of the Federal Gov't ( now being run by Obama ) is on full display.

You can be honest and acknowledge it, or you can continue this mindless little game of protect the President, because I like him more than the other guys, and anything bad I say about him will put his agenda in a bad light.

It's in the worst possible light now.
There is no point of discussion here. There just isn't.

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An oil rig that exploded off the Louisiana coast has sunk, leaving little hope that 11 missing workers would be found alive.

Coast Guard officials said they were still searching for survivors Thursday even though the rig sank just after 10 a.m. local time.

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Jindal is still waiting for the federal government to provide millions of feet in boom and to approve an emergency permit for a state plan to dredge and build new barrier islands to keep the oil from reaching the marshes and wetlands.

Jindal is so desperate for the islands, he's said he'll build them even if it sends him to jail.

"We've been frustrated with the disjointed effort to date that has too often meant too little, too late for the oil hitting our coast," Jindal said.

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Oil Begins Washing Ashore in North Florida

Published: Thursday, June 3, 2010 at 9:54 p.m.
Last Modified: Thursday, June 3, 2010 at 9:54 p.m.
GULF ISLANDS NATIONAL SEASHORE | Waves of gooey tar blobs are washing ashore on the white sand of the Florida Panhandle and nearby Alabama beaches today as a slick from the BP spill moved closer to shore.

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The wetlands full of oil and dying wild life is all you need to see .

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Remember that cheap slogan every time you see that dying wildlife and cry over the dead wetlands.

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Has zero to do w/ Palin, and you know it. It's unfuckingbelievable that you'd sink to such miserable low depths to try to give your messiah cover like this.

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Think the wildlife gives a damn who is in the White House ? They simply wanted to live.

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Has zero to do w/ Palin, and you know it. It's unfuckingbelievable that you'd sink to such miserable low depths to try to give your messiah cover like this.

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What's unfuckingbelievable is that you'll sink to such depths just to try to score political points at the White House's expense. I've said quite plainly, and quite often, that the response hasn't been enough. Your ONLY response is that the response has been completely nonexistent. And when questioned on that, you went into a childish tantrum of name-calling and hurling invective around at anyone and everyone.

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There was no point in questioning me over the fact that the Gov't was doing nothing. Those who live in LA were saying it, well before I ever did. I held back most of my wrath until Barry's presser on the matter, at which point I'd had enough. Nothing and then more empty words while the Gulf coast was dying..... more than I can stand. Should be more than ANYONE can stand, but some here want to offer a Lewinsky to the Prez, because he's EVER so hip and stuff.....

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By the way, that's just classic. I have to keep that one. "You truly are less AN sentient being...". Beautiful. Thank you for showing us your true level of sentience in one sentence!

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And thanks for showing us all how petty and clueless you are. Again. 100 miles of dying coast line, and all that concerns you is being an grammar nazi on AN internet chat forum.

Sentience is the ability to feel or perceive. ( thanks for showing us you have neither )





** ANYONE ** who thinks the Fed Gov't has done " all it possibly can " in response the Gulf Coast oil disaster, or who thinks Obama isn't lying to us all - I have no use for you. You deserve all the animosity and any vulgar "tone" directed your way. ( Anthony , that includes you, buddy. Sorry )

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There was no point in questioning me over the fact that the Gov't was doing nothing. Those who live in LA were saying it, well before I ever did. I held back most of my wrath until Barry's presser on the matter, at which point I'd had enough. Nothing and then more empty words while the Gulf coast was dying..... more than I can stand. Should be more than ANYONE can stand, but some here want to offer a Lewinsky to the Prez, because he's EVER so hip and stuff.....

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And thanks for showing us all how petty and clueless you are. Again. 100 miles of dying coast line, and all that concerns you is being an grammar nazi on AN internet chat forum.

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