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Press being kept from oil damage

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Friday, June 4, 2010 11:03 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


They don’t want you to know how bad it is. DAMN the government for letting them get away with this; people need to KNOW the truth!
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Media organizations say they are being allowed only limited access to areas impacted by the Gulf oil spill through restrictions on plane and boat traffic that are making it difficult to document the worst spill in U.S. history.

The Associated Press, CBS and others have reported coverage problems because of the restrictions, which officials say are needed to protect wildlife and ensure safe air traffic.

Ted Jackson, a photographer for The Times-Picayune newspaper in New Orleans, said Saturday that access to the spill "is slowly being strangled off."

A CBS news story said one of its reporting teams was threatened with arrest by the Coast Guard and turned back from an oiled beach at the mouth of the Mississippi River. The story said the reporters were told the denial was under "BP's rules."

U.S. Coast Guard and Federal Aviation Administration officials said BP PLC, the company responsible for cleaning up the spill, was not controlling access.

Coast Guard officials also said there was no intent to conceal the scope of the disaster. Rather, they said, the spill's complexity had made it difficult to allow the open access sought by the media.

Coast Guard Lt. Commander Rob Wyman said personnel involved in the CBS dispute said no one was threatened with arrest.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/29/gulf-oil-spill-media-access_n
_594592.html


Bull-fucking-SHIT! They don’t want the bad press; anyone with half a brain can figure THAT out. Shades of the Vietnam war...
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I've been stymied at every turn by Jefferson Parish sheriff's deputies brought in to supplement the local police force of Grand Isle, a 300-year-old settlement here at the very southern tip of Louisiana. Just seven miles long and so narrow in some spots that you can see from the Gulf side to the inland side, Grand Isle is all new clapboard and vinyl-sided bungalows since Katrina, but still scrappy—population 1,500, octuple that in tourist season. It's also home to the only route to Elmer's, a barrier island to the west. I arrived on Thursday with my former University of New Orleans lit prof, John Hazlett; a tandem kayak is strapped to his Toyota Tacoma. At the turn to Elmer's Island Road, a deputy flags us down. Can't go to Elmer's; he's just "doing what they told me to do." We continue on to Grand Isle beach, where toddlers splash in the surf. Only after I've stepped in a blob of crude do I realize that the sheen on the waves and the blackness covering a little blue heron from the neck down is oil.

The blockade to Elmer's is now four cop cars strong. As we pull up, deputies start bawling us out; all media need to go to the Grand Isle community center, where a "BP Information Center" sign now hangs out front. Grand Isle residents are not amused by the beach closing.Inside, a couple of Times-Picayune reporters circle BP representative Barbara Martin, who tells them that if they want passage to Elmer they have to get it from another BP flack, Irvin Lipp; Grand Isle beach is closed too, she adds. When we inform the Times-Pic reporters otherwise, she asks Dr. Hazlett if he's a reporter; he says, "No." She says, "Good." She doesn't ask me. We tell her that deputies were just yelling at us, and she seems truly upset. For one, she's married to a Jefferson Parish sheriff's deputy. For another, "We don't need more of a black eye than we already have."

"But it wasn't BP that was yelling at us, it was the sheriff's office," we say.

"Yeah, I know, but we have…a very strong relationship."

"What do you mean? You have a lot of sway over the sheriff's office?"

"Oh yeah."

"How much?"

"A lot."

When I tell Barbara I am a reporter, she stalks off and says she's not talking to me, then comes back and hugs me and says she was just playing. I tell her I don't understand why I can't see Elmer's Island unless I'm escorted by BP. She tells me BP's in charge because "it's BP's oil."

"But it's not BP's land."

"But BP's liable if anything happens."

"So you're saying it's a safety precaution."

"Yeah! You don't want that oil gettin' into your pores."

"But there are tourists and residents walking around in it across the street."

"The mayor decides which beaches are closed." So I call the Grand Isle police requesting a press liason, only to get routed to voicemail for Melanie with BP. I call the police back and ask why they gave me a number for BP; they blame the fire chief.

I reach the fire chief. "Why did the police give me a number for BP?" I ask.

"That's the number they gave us."

"Who?"

"BP."

When I tell Chief Aubrey Chaisson that I would like to get a comment on Barbara's intimations—and my experience so far—that BP is running the show, he says he'll meet me in a parking lot. He pulls in, rolls down the window of his maroon Crown Victoria, and tells me that I can't trust the government or big corporations. When everyone saw the oil coming in as clear as day several days before that, BP insisted it was red tide—algae. Chaisson says he's half-Indian and grew up here and just wants to protect the land. When I tell him BP says the inland side of the island is still clean, he spits, "They're fucking liars. There's oil over there. It's already all up through the pass." The spill workers staying at my motel later tell me they've been specifically instructed by BP not to talk to any media, but they're pissed because BP tried to tell them that the crude they were swimming around in to move an oil containment boom was red tide, dishwashing-liquid runoff, or mud.

I've corralled Irvin Lipp, who drives me and a few wire photographers out to Elmer's. (He tells me ruefully that he has history with Mother Jones, having once been a flack for Dupont.) The shoreline is packed with men in hats and gumboots and bright blue or white shirts. Nearly all are African-American, all hired from around New Orleans. They tell me they've been standing in these exact same spots for three days. It's breathtakingly hot. They rake the oil and sand into big piles; other workers collect the piles into big plastic bags, and still other workers take them to a plant where the sand is separated out and sent to a hazardous-waste dump and the oil goes on for processing. Then the tide comes in with more oil and everybody starts all over again. Ten dollars an hour. Twelve hours a day. When I joke with one worker that he should pocket the solid gobs of oil he's digging up to show me how far beneath the sand they go, he stops dead and asks me if BP's still trying to use the oil they all collect. "Aw, I knew it!" he says. Another leans on his rake to ask me, "Have they at least shut the oil off yet?" He randomly picks three spots in a three-foot-wide expanse of sand that he's already raked clean and drops his rake in an inch deeper to show me how the oil bubbles up from underneath. He can't count how many times he's raked this same spot in the 33 hours he's worked it since Thursday, but one thing he's sure of, he says, is that he'll be standing right here tomorrow and the next day, too.

http://motherjones.com/environment/2010/05/oil-spill-bp-grand-isle-bea
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Yeah, it’s Mother Jones and Huffpost. But they wrote the best articles. Less biased cites can be found telling the same story, and far earlier. May 19:
Quote:

Yesterday, on a trip to South Pass, Louisiana to survey the BP oil drilling disaster, CBS reporters were turned away by the Coast Guard under threat of arrest because of “BP’s rules.”

Update on May 20, 2010 at 2:30 pm:

The Unified Command has issued a statement, saying that there are no "rules in place that prohibit media access to impacted areas" and that the "only time anyone would be asked to move from an area would be if there were safety concerns, or they were interfering with response operations."

http://www.healthygulf.org/201005191299/blog/bp-s-oil-drilling-disaste
r-in-the-gulf-of-mexico/video-cbs-reporters-threatened-with-arrest
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As BP makes its latest attempt to plug its gushing oil well, news photographers are complaining that their efforts to document the slow-motion disaster in the Gulf of Mexico are being thwarted by local and federal officials—working with BP—who are blocking access to the sites where the effects of the spill are most visible. More than a month into the disaster, a host of anecdotal evidence is emerging from reporters, photographers, and TV crews in which BP and Coast Guard officials explicitly target members of the media, restricting and denying them access to oil-covered beaches, staging areas for clean-up efforts, and even flyovers.

Last week, a CBS TV crew was threatened with arrest when attempting to film an oil-covered beach. The latest instance of denied press access comes from Belle Chasse, La.-based Southern Seaplane Inc., which was scheduled to take a New Orleans Times-Picayune photographer for a flyover on Tuesday afternoon, and says it was denied permission once BP officials learned that a member of the press would be on board.

“We are not at liberty to fly media, journalists, photographers, or scientists,” the company said in a letter it sent on Tuesday to Sen. David Vitter (R-La.). “We strongly feel that the reason for this massive [temporary flight restriction] is that BP wants to control their exposure to the press.”

The ability to document a disaster, particularly through images, is key to focusing the nation’s attention on it, and the resulting clean-up efforts. Within days of the 1989 Exxon Valdez spill, pictures of dead otters, fish, and birds, as well as oil-covered shorelines, ignited nationwide outrage and led to a backlash against Exxon. Consumers returned some 10,000 of Exxon’s 7 million credit cards. Forty days after the spill, protestors organized a national boycott of Exxon. So far, no national boycott of BP is in the works, despite growing frustration over the company’s inability to cap the leaking well.

The problem, as many members of the press see it, is that even when access is granted, it’s done so under the strict oversight of BP and Coast Guard personnel. Reporters and photographers are escorted by BP officials on BP-contracted boats and aircraft. So the company is able to determine what reporters see and when they see it. AP photographer Gerald Herbert has been covering the disaster since the Deepwater Horizon rig exploded on April 20. He says that access has been hit or miss, and that there have been instances when it’s obvious members of the press are being targeted.

http://www.newsweek.com/2010/05/26/the-missing-oil-spill-photos.html

Menwhile, National Wildlife Federation, of which I’m a member, is going around the blockades to take reporters in:
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Jeremy Symons, senior vice president of the National Wildlife Federation, gave the Washington Post a behind-the-scenes look at what it’s been like to respond to the spill:

Symons said the spill is at the top of the minds of everybody in the National Wildlife Federation, no matter their job. “We’ve dropped everything, family plans, work plans to spend time down there to be the voice of wildlife. . . . It’s like seeing your kids in harm’s way. It’s hard to focus on anything but making sure we’re doing everything we can.”

The National Wildlife Federation has been taking reporters to places where wildlife is affected, said Symons. He posted a video from his trip on YouTube.

The work, he says, is galvanizing, a pushback against the feelings of helplessness and the inexorable bigness of the disaster.

http://hurricane-katrina.org/2010/05/weve-dropped-everything-to-be-the
-voice-of-wildlife.html


That’s what it’s about for me, too.

You can find some of the wildlife photos they’re not being allowed to take at http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/gallery/2010/05/21/GA2010
052104134.html
It’s NOT for the faint of heart, trust me.


Hippie Operative Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
signing off


To our President: “Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar. Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.... oh, go fuck yourself, Mr. President” ...Raptor

To Anthony, unquestionably the most civil person on this forum: “Go fuck yourself. On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. ...Raptor

To Frem: “You miserable piece of shit.” ...Raptor

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Friday, June 4, 2010 11:45 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Bull-fucking-SHIT! They don’t want the bad press; anyone with half a brain can figure THAT out.


Stop that. You're just being an angry tea baggin' racist. Straight up.


( see? This stuff does get to ya.....I'm glad to see it )





** ANYONE ** who thinks the Fed Gov't has done " all it possibly can " in response the Gulf Coast oil disaster, or who thinks Obama isn't lying to us all - I have no use for you. You deserve all the animosity and any vulgar "tone" directed your way. ( Anthony , that includes you, buddy. Sorry )

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Friday, June 4, 2010 2:16 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Hmm, time to send the van - sure, they can block the roads, but that balloon can get high enough, even on a tether, and the photo equipment on that beastie is damn good, as the G20 pictures showed.

ETA: Oops, better clarify.
The van holds a balloon with hot air inflater, the balloon goes up, with a tether feeding it hot air, and carrying a brace of audio and visual recording equipment which ports down a cable (no wireless, no interception) to equipment to process the information in the back of the van, you see.

Damn nice, and damn useful, bit of gear that is.
We still haven't finished on the fold-up ultralite that's supposed to fit in the other van though.

-F

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Friday, June 4, 2010 2:56 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!




Gulf Shores, AL


" Containment may be a moot point, friend. "







** ANYONE ** who thinks the Fed Gov't has done " all it possibly can " in response the Gulf Coast oil disaster, or who thinks Obama isn't lying to us all - I have no use for you. You deserve all the animosity and any vulgar "tone" directed your way. ( Anthony , that includes you, buddy. Sorry )

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Friday, June 4, 2010 4:41 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


" Containment may be a moot point, friend. "




bump.... for those who need to see this.





** ANYONE ** who thinks the Fed Gov't has done " all it possibly can " in response the Gulf Coast oil disaster, or who thinks Obama isn't lying to us all - I have no use for you. You deserve all the animosity and any vulgar "tone" directed your way. ( Anthony , that includes you, buddy. Sorry )

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Friday, June 4, 2010 4:59 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


"They don't want the bad press"? I think that boat - pardon the pun - has sailed. I mean, the fucking thing is visible FROM SPACE. It's not like nobody knows about it! Before BP gets the goddamned thing shut off, they'll have to restrict airtravel over the entire Gulf, and restrict anyone in the Gulf states from getting anywhere near the beaches anywhere!

I mean, this really isn't a shocker to anyone that there's an oil spill, is it? We're seeing an awful lot of horrific images - what is it they don't want us to see?

Mike

On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. --Auraptor

This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hide it behind, is all. Make sure to remember it once they put the mask back on. --Fremdfirma

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Friday, June 4, 2010 5:09 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


BP and the Gov't would prefer we see the images from space, and not the graphic, up close and apocalyptic waste land that use to thrive w/ life.

Oil coated birds, sea turtles and dolphins make for really really bad press. Makes the spin doctors miss their happy hours and think up new ways to keep from having to say "extinction " or " environmental catastrophe ".

Guess all those out of work fishermen and pretty much everyone remotely associated w/ the service industries ( hotels, restaurants, boat rentals , etc.. ) are gonna put a crimp in the next 'jobs created' report....





** ANYONE ** who thinks the Fed Gov't has done " all it possibly can " in response the Gulf Coast oil disaster, or who thinks Obama isn't lying to us all - I have no use for you. You deserve all the animosity and any vulgar "tone" directed your way. ( Anthony , that includes you, buddy. Sorry )

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Friday, June 4, 2010 5:13 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Guess all those out of work fishermen and pretty much everyone remotely associated w/ the service industries ( hotels, restaurants, boat rentals , etc.. ) are gonna put a crimp in the next 'jobs created' report....



Yes, and you'll no doubt be looking for some way of blaming that on Obama. It's what you do; it's all you have.

Mike

On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. --Auraptor

This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hide it behind, is all. Make sure to remember it once they put the mask back on. --Fremdfirma

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Friday, June 4, 2010 5:20 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Yes, and you'll no doubt be looking for some way of blaming that on Obama. It's what you do; it's all you have.



No, we ALL have this to contend with, and that's an undeniable fact.

Also, I have you to troll damn near every thing I post on here, and can count on you to take the opposite view point, no matter what.

Because you can't come up w/ an original thought on your own, so you resort to ....well, being you.





** ANYONE ** who thinks the Fed Gov't has done " all it possibly can " in response the Gulf Coast oil disaster, or who thinks Obama isn't lying to us all - I have no use for you. You deserve all the animosity and any vulgar "tone" directed your way. ( Anthony , that includes you, buddy. Sorry )

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Friday, June 4, 2010 5:27 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


You mean an "original thought" like yours?

Quote:

Anthony, on this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.



Yeah, you're right; I wouldn't have come up with that. You would, because that's just you. I likely would take the opposite viewpoint on that one.

Mike

On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. --Auraptor

This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hide it behind, is all. Make sure to remember it once they put the mask back on. --Fremdfirma

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Friday, June 4, 2010 9:10 PM

HKCAVALIER


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
BP and the Gov't would prefer we see the images from space, and not the graphic, up close and apocalyptic waste land that use to thrive w/ life.

Oil coated birds, sea turtles and dolphins make for really really bad press. Makes the spin doctors miss their happy hours and think up new ways to keep from having to say "extinction " or " environmental catastrophe ".

I'm sorry, I don't fancy getting trash talked by you, AURaptor, but you do realize that anyone, if they so desire, may see all of what you describe here and much, much more on the tv 24/7? How can anyone here imagine that this is some kind of press blackout?

I dunno, smells kinda fishy to me. Wouldn't be the first time that members of the press cried conspiracy when they are denied access. Don't get me wrong, I've no doubt that some folk at BP might be so delusional as to think they can still salvage their reputations, if not the ecology of the gulf by limiting access in some way, but as Mike said, that boat has sailed.

Please don't accuse me of shilling for BP or Obama. I'm not. Just not convinced that the members of the press complaining about this are entirely to be trusted and, if this is some kind of pathetic attempt at damage control on BP's part, it simply won't work.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Saturday, June 5, 2010 2:00 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Please don't accuse me of shilling for BP or Obama. I'm not. Just not convinced that the members of the press complaining about this are entirely to be trusted and, if this is some kind of pathetic attempt at damage control on BP's part, it simply won't work.

HKCavalier



So, what part of Chicago ARE you from ? Or did daddy give you some BP stock for your sweet 16th birthday ? Seriously !



Kidding !

All I did was respond to the thread. I didn't start it.

There are multiple reports of folks getting sick from being exposed to the oil, so it's conceivable that a very real safety issue is at hand here, and not so much some " cover up ". Like , as you mentioned, containment is a moot point now.

( unless you're of a purely conspiratorial mind set, and think the stories of illnesses are just a cover up too, much like the " train derailment " line from Close Encounters.... )





** ANYONE ** who thinks the Fed Gov't has done " all it possibly can " in response the Gulf Coast oil disaster, or who thinks Obama isn't lying to us all - I have no use for you. You deserve all the animosity and any vulgar "tone" directed your way. ( Anthony , that includes you, buddy. Sorry )

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Saturday, June 5, 2010 4:48 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

There was a time when someone saying 'no access' to a journalist meant they were burning words that would soon be ignored.

If the journalists care to reach the inaccessible, they will. They always have. In this case, we can see that there are actual people in the restricted areas. Become one of them, and you are in.

When did this odd shift in reporter's habits develop? Or were reporters never the undercover go-anywhere private-detective types I imagined during my youth?

--Anthony



"On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you." --Auraptor

"This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hide it behind, is all. Make sure to remember it once they put the mask back on." --Fremdfirma

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Saturday, June 5, 2010 6:44 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
When did this odd shift in reporter's habits develop? Or were reporters never the undercover go-anywhere private-detective types I imagined during my youth?


Shortly after the blowout that resulted from the exposure of COINTELPRO, the Church Committee, and the "Family Jewels" scandal, when journalists who didn't play ball started winding up dead.

Hell, they even got their hooks into Hunter S Thompson by playing on his greed and involving him in stuff he didn't dare expose cause it would implicate him as well, and when it looked like it was gonna come out, he capped himself.

Nowadays, what with the protection of journalists severely eroded and all but ignored, the real journalism is a collaborative effort between those who collect the information, those who distribute it, and the user themselves, as they look it up and verify it as best they can.

Andrew Vachss was quite prescient when he said that the decline of journalism would lead us into some dark places, and it has - he touches on this in The Underground stories, the gang called the Book Boys, who's signature activity is to use indelible (and impossible to duplicate, since some of the materials come from "outside") blue paint on the walls, slogans countering the lies of the powers that be.

Those stories are in the novel Everybody Pays, well worth a read.

Of course, they don't really need to kill em off so much anymore, since controlling access is all they need to do, and once their cut off and marginalized, they can easily be dismissed - not to mention as I am fond of pointing out, the depth of evil you run across digging now, well, it does some really, really unpleasant things to your psyche, so that's where much of the lunatic fringe comes from, too.

-Frem

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Saturday, June 5, 2010 8:47 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


The one has nothing to do with the other, Crappy...?? I don’t see the Tea Party keeping the press away, at ALL, and there’s nothing to do with racism in what I posted. I should think we need the media (biased tho’ it may be) to have access to just about anything; we have a right to know.

Fem, the media’s getting around them, believe me. They’ve found all kinds of ways, even the big stations, ‘cuz I’m seeing it all over. Makes it damned hard to watch the news, I keep having to change channels...I KNOW, I don’t want to be sickened again by seeing it all over the place (the wildlife I mean, not the rest). It’s those who are self-deluded about how severe it is, what the impact will be, that it’s IMPORTANT who I want to be touched by it. Certainly can’t hurt to have as many photogs out there as possible, but I don’t think they’re having much luck at prohibiting them, from what I’m seeing...yay!

Mike, they were trying to keep the media from documenting both the extent of the spill on the beaches and, more importantly, the impact on wildlife. A dead or dying bird covered with oil hits people viscerally. But you’re right, it’s not working (at ALL!), I just posted it so people would know there is an effort to keep us out of it.

Jeez, it’s pathetic; there is a huge difference between what BP is doing and what the government is doing. And the government isn’t keeping media away—LOCAL government (in the form of police and coast guard) is what’s trying, and they’re doing it at BP’s behest...and even THAT is being torn down since I posted this. The government has put up many pictures of the situation, and hasn’t hampered the media at all as far as I can tell. Read the bit about the local police, that shows you who’s being used to try and block the news.

Raptor, tho’ Mike does come up with many points of his own, you’re right. The animosity there is palpable and he does dog your posts and Wulf’s, I agree. He’s the one person among your opposition who does this, whereas you have cronies on your “side” who do it to all of us who disagree. I’m not saying that balances it out, but it’s kinda pot calling kettle black in that respect.

Cav, there are so many stories about this on the internet, I have no trouble believing it. It’s happened to numerous reporters, and BP tends to ignore, not respond or deny it. Given their actions thus far, I have no trouble believing the lengths to which they are willing to go. In the beginning, they offered $5,000 to people affected, but only if they signed a waiver saying they wouldn’t sue subsequently. The recent PR attempt was disastrously stupid, and will probably cost the CEO his job...the money that was spent, which could have been used for actual EFFORTS, is astounding! Their lying (and CONTINUING TO) about the extent of the gusher, in fact lying at first by saying there WASN’T a gusher, shows where they stand. I have my doubts about their “attempts” to cap the well; while I’m sure they want it capped, I nonetheless think some of their attempts have been things they KNEW would fail, but they keep doing SOMETHING to make it look like they’re trying.

The stories of illness are quite true, to begin with. I hated that photo of the kids on the beach, they shouldn’t be allowed...just inhaling that stuff is toxic. But remember, the media tried to hire an AIRPLANE to fly in low to get photos, and the pilots had been told they weren’t to take media up. Sure, there are health concerns, but I’m convinced it goes further than that.
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If the journalists care to reach the inaccessible, they will. They always have.
Yes, Anthony, and they ARE. They always find a way around; my post was to let people know that they’re TRYING to keep the media out. As this gets bigger and bigger, I’m sure they’ll give up—heck, they may give up now, since pictures are flooding the airwaves. The reports were about ATTEMPTS to keep them out, none of them succeeded. I just didn’t include that part, as it wasn’t the point I was making. I was trying to point out the effort to keep them out, which I think speaks to BP's "honesty"(if there ever was such a thing!).


Hippie Operative Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
signing off


To our President: “Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar. Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.... oh, go fuck yourself, Mr. President” ...Raptor

To Anthony, unquestionably the most civil person on this forum: “Go fuck yourself. On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. ...Raptor

To Frem: “You miserable piece of shit.” ...Raptor

To Niki: “My guess is it won't just be your ugly face you dislike.....Well, it's true......if you had a soul.” ...Raptor

...Remember, remember, the ugliest member...

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Saturday, June 5, 2010 10:52 AM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by Niki2:

The one has nothing to do with the other, Crappy...?? I don’t see the Tea Party keeping the press away, at ALL, and there’s nothing to do with racism in what I posted. I should think we need the media (biased tho’ it may be) to have access to just about anything; we have a right to know.



From my first post, to which I can guess that you're responding.... of COURSE there's nothing racial about what you posted - that was a JOKE!, get it ? As in, .." see ? merely by voicing any disaporoval of the situation gets an automatic response of RACISM by those who don't want the Prez / Gov't in any way to be perceived in a negative light. ( it was a joke, ok? But with a point. )

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Raptor, tho’ Mike does come up with many points of his own, you’re right. The animosity there is palpable and he does dog your posts and Wulf’s, I agree. He’s the one person among your opposition who does this, whereas you have cronies on your “side” who do it to all of us who disagree. I’m not saying that balances it out, but it’s kinda pot calling kettle black in that respect.



I can't speak for my " cronies " as I don't really follow the running feuds / points of discussion that others have going on with each other. I try to focus on the main point, and deal with responses to what I (me, myself ) have said, and leave the back and forth over other issues to ...well, others. I can see the point you raise though, from what you've just said, and I can also see that it makes some sense, from a certain point of view.

But again, I can't concern myself with what others do, say, etc....but I suppose it does help explain some things. A bit.







** ANYONE ** who thinks the Fed Gov't has done " all it possibly can " in response the Gulf Coast oil disaster, or who thinks Obama isn't lying to us all - I have no use for you. You deserve all the animosity and any vulgar "tone" directed your way. ( Anthony , that includes you, buddy. Sorry )

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