US to give $400 million to loosen Gaza embargo by Niki2

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US to give $400 million to loosen Gaza embargo

POSTED BY: NIKI2
UPDATED: Wednesday, June 9, 2010 12:58
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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 10:08 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Well, at least we're not giving it to Israel to TIGHTEN the embargo...that's something...

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The United States will contribute $400 million in development aid to the Palestinian territories and work with Israel to loosen its embargo on Gaza, President Barack Obama said Wednesday.

Obama's announcement came after White House talks with Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas. The money will be used to build housing, schools, water and health care systems in both the Palestinian Authority-controlled West Bank and Gaza, which is ruled by the Palestinian Islamic movement Hamas.

Obama called the situation in Gaza "unsustainable," and said the United States would work with its European allies, Egypt and Israel to find a "new conceptual framework" for the Israeli blockade of Gaza.

"We agree Israelis have right to prevent arms from coming into Gaza," Obama said. But he said "new mechanisms" were needed to allow more goods to reach the territory - and he repeated that the long-term solution was a permanent deal creating "a Palestinian state side-by-side with an Israel that is secure."

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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 11:23 AM

MINCINGBEAST

I approve! If I were a doctor, I would treat symptoms, not diseases, too.

Sadly, there is no way to guarantee that aid will be used as aid. Take concrete, for example: there is a desperate need for it to construct shelter and infrastructure (especially in the wake of Gaza's shellacking). However, Hamas would really like to build underground bunkers and tunnels that don't have a legitimate humanitarian purpose. How do you draw a line between the two? You can't. Hamas exploitation of its own civilian populations suffering from military ends is no more noble than Israel's heavy-handed collective punishment.

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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 11:25 AM

MINCINGBEAST

Please excuse my double post.

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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 11:25 AM

MINCINGBEAST

triple post! perhaps this is some sort of record? or a blistering post combo? if i can not persuade with reason, i shall overwhelm with reptition and bullshit.

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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 11:33 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Just hit "submit" ONCE. And don't go back and hit it again when you get the error message.

Meanwhile, we continue to give "aid" to Israel, things like one TV dinner, and 2400 pounds of C4 plastic explosive to warm it up...

Mike

On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. --Auraptor

This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hide it behind, is all. Make sure to remember it once they put the mask back on. --Fremdfirma

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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 12:09 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

I was actually dismayed. Why would we want to 'buy-in' to this mess deeper than we already have?

We should be selling our investment, not doubling down.

--Anthony

"On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you." --Auraptor

"This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hide it behind, is all. Make sure to remember it once they put the mask back on." --Fremdfirma

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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 12:11 PM

MINCINGBEAST

thanks for the tutorial, dude.

i don't object to cutting off aid to Israel...or at least scaling it back to a level equivalent to the aid we offer other backwards assholes.

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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 12:19 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

I'd love it if we cut back--or eliminated--our aid to Israel, but we won't, so giving some to Gaza seems only fair.

But yes, unless the government is less inept than usual, it probably won't do any good.

And you don't think they're trying to cure the "disesae"? Until it's cured, doctors usually give interim meds to stabilize the patient, yes? Not that the corollary will hold...

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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 12:34 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

"I'd love it if we cut back--or eliminated--our aid to Israel, but we won't, so giving some to Gaza seems only fair."

Hello,

Funding both sides in a conflict used to be called 'diabolical.'

I want out.

--Anthony

"On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you." --Auraptor

"This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hide it behind, is all. Make sure to remember it once they put the mask back on." --Fremdfirma

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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 12:42 PM

KWICKO

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
"I'd love it if we cut back--or eliminated--our aid to Israel, but we won't, so giving some to Gaza seems only fair."

Hello,

Funding both sides in a conflict used to be called 'diabolical.'

I want out.

--Anthony

"On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you." --Auraptor

"This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hide it behind, is all. Make sure to remember it once they put the mask back on." --Fremdfirma

It also used to be called "capitalism"... ;)

Mike

On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. --Auraptor

This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hide it behind, is all. Make sure to remember it once they put the mask back on. --Fremdfirma

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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 12:50 PM

BYTEMITE

MB: No worries, the official record multi-post stands at seventeen.

I'm cautiously optimistic about the loosening of the embargo work and Obama's other offers. MB's right, Hamas could use the cement. Both sides could potentially use it, technically, and often when you're talking about bringing aid into the a region that is governed by people hostile to it, the aid doesn't usually get there.

So likely this is $400... million was it? pissed away. But it's still a step in the right direction. They do really need that aid. And there's a slim chance that it won't be a complete waste, maybe they can iron it out better during talks.

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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 12:58 PM

KWICKO

Oh, yeah, Mince - no worries at all.

I just noticed a whole slew of people who keep getting error messages, so they keep going back and hitting the submit ("post my response") button over and over again.

It's the website. I'm guessing Haken is working with the new servers again.

Meanwhile, everyone just needs to take a little leap of faith that their words will find their way to the page when they post them. And if you have any doubts that your post will take, copy it all before submitting, just in case. :)

Site gone wonky. Will be better later, no doubt.

Mike

On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. --Auraptor

This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hide it behind, is all. Make sure to remember it once they put the mask back on. --Fremdfirma

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