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What is the reasoning here?

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Sick bastards. Military; doesn't surprise me.


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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=2485

I see whether or a not it kills depends on the setting, all fazerlike.

It's just more in our "move over Germany" torture objective.

I think we stole this from brave new world or 1984.

I suspect the result of this sort of technology will be time compression of war.

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The sad irony is, the more modern our weapons, the more accurate our targeting... the longer our wars tend to last.

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The sad irony is, the more modern our weapons, the more accurate our targeting... the longer our wars tend to last.

Vietnam, we were going up against an indigenous people, some of whom were willing to battle our helicopter gunships with rocks and slings, bows and arrows - and we battled them for years. And we lost. Afghanistan and Iraq are looking much the same.

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If your police misuse it, get some better police. I'm getting bored of hearing Americans claim Police automatically equals brutal oppressors just because you guys can't keep the thugs you put in uniform under control. In the rest of the world Police abusing their power is the exception rather than the rule, and we hold them accountable, you guys should try it.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Oh, and cit, it's a first am. Issue. Right to peaceably assemble. Disrupting that right is considered by us yanks as a sign of totalitarian dictatorship, that, and the device can changeover and frequency, also, I fits so well into our nightmare dystopian scifi.

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Oh, and cit, it's a first am. Issue. Right to peaceably assemble. Disrupting that right is considered by us yanks as a sign of totalitarian dictatorship, that, and the device can changeover and frequency, also, I fits so well into our nightmare dystopian scifi.

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Which is why I said RIOT, which doesn't fit into any reasonable definition of peaceable assembly. I guess people desperately wishing to see oppression see it everywhere.

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Citizen, the concern is that the machine won't be used responsibly.

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And of course, there's the fact that this isn't a police device, but a military one. Our military isn't supposed to get involved in the riot business as a general rule.
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An invention like this brings the double whammy of potential misuse and the suggestion that the military will be performing police duties within cities... the one place such a piece of equipment might prove useful.

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As for the topic, the application of this technology is fairly obvious, riot/crowd control.

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If your police misuse it, get some better police. I'm getting bored of hearing Americans claim Police automatically equals brutal oppressors just because you guys can't keep the thugs you put in uniform under control. In the rest of the world Police abusing their power is the exception rather than the rule, and we hold them accountable, you guys should try it.

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when NY goes broke, and CA, and all the other liberally run states- and the Fed can't bail them out..

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You have that exactly backwards, DT. Those "liberally run states" - NY & CA chief among them - pay far more INTO the federal government than they get back. The real drain on our budgets is the money paid to red states like Alabama and Alaska.

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You have that exactly backwards, DT. Those "liberally run states" - NY & CA chief among them - pay far more INTO the federal government than they get back. The real drain on our budgets is the money paid to red states like Alabama and Alaska.

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Mike,

That was antimason. Antimason is not my sockpuppet, yeah, I am very well aware of the federal cash redistribution. Up here we call it "red state welfare" but ats not really fair. Most of that money goes to govt contracts, so yes, your state of Texas is getting it, but really its halliburton getting it.

The union now costs New York a net of over 200 billion a year to be a part of, twice our entire budget, social programs included. We talk about seceding all the time here.

The reason for it is that the dynamic is set up to punish industry, and reward places that presidents are from. It's been a very long time since they came from NY, and we have a lot of industry.

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Fail by design is an interesting concept. Are you suggesting that the reason socialism goes broke after a couple decades is that it is a planned loot and trash operation? I guess if so, after they're done they'll move over and take over someone else.

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Yes indeed, we need to sort them out. And meanwhile, we need not to give them agonizer beams to play with.

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It's not going to be used for riots. Most of the stuff you hear called a riot in the media is actually a peaceful (if angry and loud) assembly. (Angry and loud doesn't necessarily mean violent)

Crowd control responds based on the few plants they've placed in the crowd giving them the justification they need. It's about finding or making any reason they can to disperse the crowd.

A riot moves, teems and roils, even, lights stuff on fire and damages property. A police - citizen standoff is not a riot. A riot is something on the level of the response to the Rodney King case. This weapon could do nothing against that level of violence, because a true riot is chaotic, it doesn't CONGREGATE. This machine is built based on the idea that the people targeted are gathered in one area. If they're gathered in one area, they're not fighting among themselves because otherwise people would be running away en masse. If they're gathered in one area, they're forming a united front, mostly likely against the police.

Of course, once you turn on the pain ray, they're going to be runnin away, and trampling people... Oh look, a retroactive excuse to call it a riot and claim people would have been hurt if there hadn't been intervention.

The machine was created based on the principle of a "pre-emptive strike." It's an offensive machine, not defensive. Use of this machine by definition makes crowd control more violent than the crowd, they hit first.

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Come to think of it, it would also disable a lot of equipment, maybe cell phones, and that might be the real goal, esp camera phones

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Yes indeed, we need to sort them out. And meanwhile, we need not to give them agonizer beams to play with.

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And I don't want them to have agonizer beams to play with, either.

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Yes, especially if you want to pacify a population without creating an international incident.

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That's incorrect. The right time to make those arguments is always. Always make those arguments. I don't think the truth has an expiration date. The truth is we ought not to be there.

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But it does mean they saw a need to use it. And now they're deploying it.

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No human being deserves to be cooked alive with microwaves. ._.

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The sad irony is, the more modern our weapons, the more accurate our targeting... the longer our wars tend to last.

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Yeah. Before this wars never lasted this long. The Seven Years War was over in what, two weeks, and the Hundred Years War barely lasted till lunch the following day.

I seem to recall the Civil War lasting about 27 minutes not counting the Gettysburg Address.

I've also noticed that DVR technology makes war pass much more quickly and you never have to watch the commercials.

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Can you show me a war the U.S. has been in that lasted longer than the Afghanistan war?

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Can you show me a war the U.S. has been in that lasted longer than the Afghanistan war?

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Your missing that they would never give up the lethals, and so they would just have more weapons, and the non lethals can kill, and that if they use a lethal they are in trouble, but using a supposed non lethal is their job,

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Also, your missing that part of the goal of the people here is to resist totalitarian rule, not just to "not be killed." I'd like to think we have a higher standard of freedom than "please don't kill us, master. We are good to master."

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Better than giving them guns and tanks, but you do that already. Seriously, pointing to a non-lethal weapon as proof of coming martial law when you already hand lethal weapons more destructive than that held by some standing armies, is very amusing to me.

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You've missed the point. The truth is you ARE there, and where you should be is precisely completely irrelevant to how you deal with the reality of the situation. Saying "we shouldn't be there" doesn't change the fact that you are, and making decisions as if you aren't there because you shouldn't be is as destructive as going in in the first place. So it comes down to a simple fact, American soldiers are on Iraqi streets, you can't just pull them out because the time for American soldiers not being on Iraqi streets was before the invasion, not after the invasion. You've let the bull into the China shop now, and you need to deal with the reality of the problem you've caused, not wax philosophy on how much better things would be if the problem had never been caused in the first place.

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American soldiers are pointing lethal weapons at Iraqi civilians (amongst other nationalities), and it's your side of the argument that wants to keep that situation going.

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