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Palin believes she is a grizzly bear; rest of the world thinks she is a grisly bore.
Thursday, July 8, 2010 2:38 PM
OPPYH
Thursday, July 8, 2010 3:03 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Thursday, July 8, 2010 3:12 PM
ANTHONYT
Freedom is Important because People are Important
Thursday, July 8, 2010 3:50 PM
DREAMTROVE
Thursday, July 8, 2010 5:44 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Thursday, July 8, 2010 5:46 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AnthonyT: "You thought pitbulls were tough, well, you don't wanna mess with the mama grizzlies," Palin says. "Look out Washington, because there's a whole stampede of pink elephants crossing and the e.t.a. for them stampeding through is November 2, 2010."" Hello, I'm not sure what to say about this quote. It appears the Pit Bull has been upgraded to a Grizzly Bear. But then, in a left-field transformation, there are pink elephants. I think I have missed a referent or some flavor of context to make this all come together.
Friday, July 9, 2010 12:48 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Aren't grizzly bears generally MORE furry than NOW members? Or is this just Palin's way of saying she's a Furry?
Friday, July 9, 2010 2:47 AM
JONGSSTRAW
Friday, July 9, 2010 3:03 AM
KIRKULES
Quote:Originally posted by Jongsstraw: Palin is a dynamic juggernaut. No matter what the Left says about her, she perseveres. The Left would have loved (and they sure tried) to see her vanish from the national scene. But it doesn't seem like she's going anywhere, except to get right in the faces of those that hate her the most, by supporting and campaigning for their opponents. Although I honestly do not understand this video in terms of its' purpose or message, I just continue to be amazed how this one woman is seemingly taking on the entire liberal cultural establishment by herself.
Friday, July 9, 2010 3:38 AM
AGENTROUKA
Friday, July 9, 2010 3:52 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AgentRouka: Conservatives are much easier to respect when they don't put someone like Palin on a pedestal. Luckily, many conservatives don't.
Friday, July 9, 2010 3:55 AM
Friday, July 9, 2010 4:25 AM
KANEMAN
Friday, July 9, 2010 4:37 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kirkules: Quote:Originally posted by Jongsstraw: Palin is a dynamic juggernaut. No matter what the Left says about her, she perseveres. The Left would have loved (and they sure tried) to see her vanish from the national scene. But it doesn't seem like she's going anywhere, except to get right in the faces of those that hate her the most, by supporting and campaigning for their opponents. Although I honestly do not understand this video in terms of its' purpose or message, I just continue to be amazed how this one woman is seemingly taking on the entire liberal cultural establishment by herself. Well said Jongstraw, they fear her as much or more than they fear a black republican because it destroys their stereotypes.
Friday, July 9, 2010 4:38 AM
Quote:Originally posted by kaneman: She is a character I'll give her that. I do think she needs to slow down a bit in her analogy/metaphor use. It comes off as a tad amateurish. It almost seems like she doesn't think Americans can get a point without her using lions, tigers, or bears.
Friday, July 9, 2010 6:35 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Friday, July 9, 2010 6:46 AM
Quote:I actually think that she doesn't destroy stereotypes as much as she exemplifies them to the point of making people despair. Conservatives are much easier to respect when they don't put someone like Palin on a pedestal. Luckily, many conservatives don't.
Quote:I just continue to be amazed how this one woman is seemingly taking on the entire liberal cultural establishment by herself.
Friday, July 9, 2010 6:57 AM
Friday, July 9, 2010 9:25 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Quote:I just continue to be amazed how this one woman is seemingly taking on the entire liberal cultural establishment by herself. Ah, me (wipes tears), self-delusion is sometimes too funny for words!
Friday, July 9, 2010 9:51 AM
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Friday, July 9, 2010 10:03 AM
KPO
Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.
Quote:she doesn't think Americans can get a point without her using lions, tigers, or bears.
Friday, July 9, 2010 10:07 AM
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Friday, July 9, 2010 11:57 AM
FREMDFIRMA
Friday, July 9, 2010 12:26 PM
Friday, July 9, 2010 12:31 PM
WULFENSTAR
http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg
Friday, July 9, 2010 1:40 PM
MAL4PREZ
Quote:Originally posted by Jongsstraw: Sorry Niki, but I don't buy any of that crap. You are terrified of her, that's why you and every liberal with a microphone bashes her at every opportunity.
Quote:She greatly helped Conservative Gov Christy of NJ get elected, same with Conservative Gov of Virgina, and others in one-time Dem strongholds. She has money and power and millions of followers. She got Conservative women candidates the win in their Primaries, and she will help them defeat Dems in the Fall. You know all that...so please don't keep up this ridiculous pretense that you don't.
Friday, July 9, 2010 3:43 PM
HKCAVALIER
Friday, July 9, 2010 3:53 PM
Quote:Originally posted by HKCavalier: I tend to think of Palin as the right wing equivalent of Michael Moore.....
Friday, July 9, 2010 3:56 PM
Friday, July 9, 2010 4:05 PM
Friday, July 9, 2010 4:14 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Mamma Grizzly, meet Rahm ( dead fish ) Emanuel.
Friday, July 9, 2010 4:19 PM
PENGUIN
Friday, July 9, 2010 4:22 PM
Quote:Originally posted by mal4prez: Quote:Originally posted by Jongsstraw: Sorry Niki, but I don't buy any of that crap. You are terrified of her, that's why you and every liberal with a microphone bashes her at every opportunity.Wow, I spoke too soon in that other thread. You sound just like you did 2 years ago. It's disappointing. Perhaps, instead of assuming that you can dictate the motivations and emotional state of people you do not know and obviously do not understand, you ought to step out of your own head for a second. Consider that those who bad-mouth Palin (note - it's not just liberals) do it because we honestly, at the bottom of our hearts, believe she is a moron. She has given us plenty of reason to think so, as has been well documented. And if you sense fear, perhaps you should consider that it is not the kind of fear that seems to effect you: that someone on the "other team" might beat someone our "our team" boo-hoo. (You might note that few of us swear fealty to any team.) Perhaps you should try to understand that we fear what a moron in high office could do a country still reeling from the policies of the last moron who held high office. As for Pelosi, I haven't seen her name come up here much lately, perhaps because she doesn't do the kind of actively moronic and divisive stuff that Palin does. But back in 2008-2009 when she was a topic of conversation, there wasn't a ton of admiration from either side. The woman has flaws. She's not likeable even a bit. But she isn't a moron. I bet she can name a newspaper or two, and she clearly understands policies. Quote:She greatly helped Conservative Gov Christy of NJ get elected, same with Conservative Gov of Virgina, and others in one-time Dem strongholds. She has money and power and millions of followers. She got Conservative women candidates the win in their Primaries, and she will help them defeat Dems in the Fall. You know all that...so please don't keep up this ridiculous pretense that you don't.Again: step out of your head if it's possible. Consider that there is no pretense happening here, because we don't all think like you. (Is this really so hard to allow?) We don't all know that, even if you do. Guess what - you are not God. You don't think for all of us. As for your prediction, I would be happy to return to this post of yours in November. I may even bookmark it. But... will you be disappearing after the election, if it doesn't go your way? Seemed to be the thing to do in 2008. I guarantee, I won't disappear if the Repubs gain seats. ----------------------------------------------- hmm-burble-blah, blah-blah-blah, take a left
Friday, July 9, 2010 4:39 PM
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Saturday, July 10, 2010 6:30 AM
Saturday, July 10, 2010 6:46 AM
Saturday, July 10, 2010 7:54 AM
Quote:Ex-AK Gov. Sarah Palin's (R) PAC spent more money buying copies of Palin's best-selling book than it gave in contributions to political candidates, according to new FEC reports. The papers filed over the weekend show SarahPAC spent $47,777 on copies of "Going Rogue" during the last 6 months of the year. Meanwhile, she handed out just $43K in donations to candidates seeking federal office.
Quote:Palin PAC Spent More On Books Than Candidates The former Alaska governor and 2008 Republican vice presidential candidate had her political organization spend more than $63,000 on what her reports describe as "books for fundraising donor fulfillment."
Quote:Sarah Palin Uses PAC to Buy Her Own Book; Political Action Committee Paid More than $60,000 for Copies of 'Going Rogue' in Late 2009. Sarah Palin has been using her political action committee to buy up thousands of copies of her book, "Going Rogue," in order to mail copies of the memoir to her donors, newly filed campaign records show
Quote:Pundits can debate the political costs and benefits of Sarah Palin's decision to step down as Alaska governor, but the monetary advantages of leaving her $125,000-a-year public service post are beyond dispute. Since leaving office at the end of July 2009, the 2008 Republican vice presidential nominee has brought in at least 100 times her old salary – a haul now estimated at more than $12 million -- through television and book deals and a heavy schedule of speaking appearances worth five and six figures. That conservative estimate is based on publicly available records. The actual number is probably much higher, but is hard to quantify because Palin does not publicize her earnings.
Saturday, July 10, 2010 8:03 AM
GEEZER
Keep the Shiny side up
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: You're forgetting one big thing: Sarah Palin HUNTS grizzly bears (along with wolves)...FROM AN AIRPLANE!
Saturday, July 10, 2010 8:07 AM
Saturday, July 10, 2010 8:17 AM
Saturday, July 10, 2010 8:24 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: You're forgetting one big thing: Sarah Palin HUNTS grizzly bears (along with wolves)...FROM AN AIRPLANE! I'd be interested in seeing a cite for this. The Grizzly Bay site only says she supports hunting of wolves and Black bears (not Grizzlies) from planes as predator control (which topic brings out more sides than a RPG die), not that she has hunted them from planes. "Keep the Shiny side up"
Saturday, July 10, 2010 10:36 AM
Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: She had me convinced she was numbskull when she quit Alaska.
Saturday, July 10, 2010 10:41 AM
Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: True, OTOH, consider some of the VP's we've had. She had me convinced she was numbskull when she quit Alaska.
Quote:This is the third time there's been a statewide vote on this issue. The other votes were in 1996 and 2000, both against aerial shooting. The first vote was overwhelmingly against the issue and the second vote was a very strong majority.
Quote:Leading up to last week’s statewide vote on Measure 2 to stop the aerial shooting of wolves and bears, Palin’s Board of Game spent $400,000 of public money on brochures and radio ads to influence the election/
Quote:So they convinced their cronies at the state legislature and the Alaska Board of Game to spend $400,000 on brochures and radio ads to get people to vote their way.
Quote:A legal defense fund for former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin was illegal and must repay nearly $400,000, according to a settlement with a state-appointed lawyer announced on Thursday. But Palin, the former Republican vice presidential candidate who has become a fixture of the conservative Tea Party movement, probably violated a state ethics act without knowing she was doing so, independent counsel Tim Petumenos said. The deal requires Palin's fund to give back to donors $386,856 collected while she was in office. While governor, Palin faced some two dozen ethics complaints, which she said left her with a legal bill of more than $500,000. Her political action committee raised a fund to pay for her defense. A preliminary ruling by another independent counsel last year said the fund was illegal because it used her official position as governor to raise money for her personal gain. Petumenos confirmed the decision and said no such legal defense fund had ever been set up before for a state official in Alaska. Palin violated the ethics rules because she was a beneficiary of the fund. Palin should have checked with the state attorney general before pursuing the fund. "It is the responsibility of every public official to make sure they are personally compliant with the (Alaska Ethics) Act," he said.
Quote:On August 26, Alaskans once again have the chance to stop the cruel and unsporting practice of shooting animals from aircraft. Ballot measure 2 would prohibit the shooting of wolves and grizzly bears from the air or by using a plane to land and shoot. Currently, the Airborne Hunting Act bans the hunting or harassing of wildlife from aircraft. The act was meant to address the obvious humane concerns associated with chasing animals down to the point of exhaustion with a plane or helicopter and then shooting them.
Quote:Males formed 70 to 80 percent of the harvest because young and females with young were protected, and hunters often selected the larger animals, which were males. (ergo, healthy adult males of mating age were the main target, not the elderly or sickly.) The average kill during the first decade of airplane hunting (1951-1960) was estimated to be 150 bears... the average annual kill for the second decade (1961-1972) rose to 260... hunting with airplanes reduced the number of bears close to villages used as bases for hunting with planes. There was still an incentive for Natives to hunt, however, because hides not taken with the aid of aircraft could be sold. The annual Native kill averaged 13 percent of the total harvest for 1961-1972... Native harvests decreased to about 25 percent of previous levels during the period when airplanes were used for hunting. This was partly because hunting with airplanes reduced the number of bears close to villages used as bases for hunting with planes. There was still an incentive for Natives to hunt, however, because hides not taken with the aid of aircraft could be sold. The annual Native kill averaged 13 percent of the total harvest for 1961-1972... 1965...During the past 15 years there has been almost a complete shift from Eskimo hunters utilizing dog teams to white hunters utilizing aircraft. At the present time, practically no meat is salvaged from the polar bear harvest aside from the relatively few taken by Eskimos. By the late 1960s, the state felt the need to add more restrictions to control the harvest. Buyers were required to have permits but there was no limit to the number of permits issued. There were no serious problems with this regulation in 1967 and 1968. By 1969, however, more persons had become eligible to guide and were taking out more hunters. In addition there were violations of regulations by guides who took out more than six hunters. The author notes that recommendations would soon be going to the state Board of Fish and Game to limit the numbers of sport permits issued each year. Residents are now allowed to take bears at any time and without limit for food as long as cubs and females with cubs are not taken and an airplane is not used. The primary reason for Arctic coast residents to take bears is shifting from a desire for food to a desire for obtaining skins for sale. Because it appeared that hunting pressure would continue to increase in future years and because it was not possible to enforce the regulations limiting each guide to twelve hunts, the Board of Fish and Game on the recommendation of the Department of Fish and Game, modified the permit system so that a limited number of permits (300) were issued for trophy hunting in 1971. The Department of Fish and Game is now recommending that the use of aircraft not be allowed for hunting polar bears after 1972.
Quote: And a particularly worrisome aspect of the Palin candidacy is her abysmal record on the environment during her 2 years as Alaska governor, and how that would translate into national environmental policy if she became Vice President. Her environmental record as Governor of the nation’s “last frontier” deserves close examination.. Polar Bears: This summer, Palin filed suit against the Bush administration over the federal listing of polar bears as threatened, saying that her opposition was based on a ‘comprehensive scientific review.’ But when asked to release the scientific review, she refused. Later obtained by the public (from the federal government), the document clearly shows that, contrary to Palin’s assertions, the state of Alaska’s marine mammal scientists agreed with the federal conclusions that the polar bears are in serious trouble due to global warming and loss of their sea ice habitat, and that they would be gone from Alaska by 2050. Palin clearly decided to oppose the listing in order to protect arctic oil and gas development from future legal challenge, then publicly misrepresented the basis for her decision, and then tried to conceal all of this. Having run for office on a platform of honesty and transparency, this behavior was neither. Her extreme position here puts her to the political right of the Bush / Cheney administration. While polar bear numbers recovered somewhat since the 1972 Marine Mammal Protection Act prohibited sport hunting of polar bears in Alaska, their sea ice habitat is so rapidly deteriorating now that they will with certainty decline. The only 2 polar bear populations that have been studied for a long time are now declining, and most of the rest are projected to decline rapidly as well. Endangered species – Earlier this year, Palin approved a $2 million dollar state appropriation for a conference on the “economic impacts” of the Endangered Species Act, designed to persuade the public that ESA listings were too costly and unwarranted. Recently she agreed to use the money instead to fund the state’s lawsuit against the Bush administration over the polar bear listing - a likely violation of the state constitutional provisions on appropriation. She opposes additional species listings and other protections in Alaska (including Beluga whales in Cook Inlet here in Anchorage), where many species are at risk due to climate change, habitat loss, overexploitation, and other threats. Alaska has 17 species already listed as threatened, endangered, depleted, most of them marine mammals and birds. And, several other species are currently proposed as candidates for listing: Cook Inlet beluga whales, walrus, ribbon seal, black-footed albatross, Lynn Canal herring, Queen Charlotte goshawk, Kittlitz’s murrelet, yellow-billed loons, as well as several other ice-dependent seals which are under review for listing. The appropriate state government response to the many endangered species in Alaska would be to admit the problem, identify solutions, and work diligently toward the recovery of all the threatened species and their habitats. For the many Arctic Ocean species threatened by sea-ice loss due to global warming, the state needs to advocate urgent reductions in global greenhouse gas emissions that are causing the collapse of the entire Arctic Ocean ecosystem, and other mitigations (such as protecting polar bear habitat from offshore drilling) to give these species the best chance of recovery. We have an ethical, moral, and legal obligation to protect threatened species and their habitats, and the current state of Alaska denial of this obligation is a profound betrayal of public trust. Our planet is in an extinction crisis, and Alaska has placed itself on the wrong side of this issue – a blunder of historic proportion. Predator control – Palin approved and expanded the state’s aerial predator control program, where wolves are shot from aircraft and bears (and even bear cubs) are hunted from aircraft and killed upon landing. This year, her state biologists even dragged 14 newborn wolf pups from their den and, having already shot their parents, then shot each of the pups in the head at close range. Last year, her administration offered a $150 bounty for each wolf killed until the bounty was ruled illegal by the courts. Hundreds of wolves are killed each year by this antiquated state program that has no scientific justification whatsoever, but rather is designed to appease Palin’s urban sport hunting supporters. Out of an Alaska wolf population of 7,000 – 11,000 wolves, each year from 1,000 – 2,000 are killed through trapping, hunting, and shooting from aircraft. Under this program, anyone here in Alaska is able to hop in an airplane, find wolves, run them to exhaustion, and then shoot them - all ostensibly to increase moose and caribou populations for hunters. Science has yet to demonstrate a biological emergency in moose and caribous numbers here that would necessitate such a control program.
Quote: Issued this past May, the federal polar bear listing drew on a large body of peer-reviewed scientific data demonstrating that Arctic sea ice coverage during the summer months had declined rapidly in recent years. The data also strongly suggested population declines in the South Beaufort Sea — located off Alaska’s North Slope — and the Western Hudson Bay in Canada. Additional studies have observed declining cub survival rates, as well as declining skull size and overall weight for cubs and adult males, all of which strongly suggest that nutritional and other environmental stresses are affecting the polar bear population. The bear habitat of the Southern Beaufort sea resembles several others — the Chukchi, Laptev, Kara and Barents seas — where a third of the world’s bears reside. Based on computer modeling that has accurately tracked with recent summer ice data, the informed scientific consensus, described extensively in the 93-page final ruling, suggests that summer ice will diminish optimal polar hear habitat by more than 40 percent by mid-century. Unabated, these conditions could eventually threaten at least two-thirds of the world’s polar bear population. Governor Palin, as promised, rejected the listing, arguing that it had not relied on “the best scientific and commercial data available.” In a New York Times op-ed piece that appeared in January, Palin deceptively wrote that “state biologists are studying the health of polar bear populations and their habitat” — implying that Alaskan biologists disagreed with the science behind the ESA listing. The state of Alaska, in fact, has not employed a polar bear expert for well over three decades. And as Steiner discovered recently through a federal FOIA request, the state’s marine mammal experts in the Department of Fish and Game actually endorsed the science behind the polar bear ruling as well as with nine US Geological Survey studies that provided additional support to the reigning consensus. The Palin administration’s pro-development, anti-science approach to polar bears is typical of its overall approach to environmental policy. In addition to its repellent “predator control program,” the state is currently fighting efforts to protect the Cook Inlet beluga whale population, which has been reduced by 75 percent over the past two decades. Such a listing would prove inconvenient to oil, gas, and coal mining interests, which have been allowed to use the inlet as a massive industrial toilet. The listing might also impair the construction of the other “Bridge to Nowhere” at Knik Arm, a project that Palin continues to support, so long as federal funds can be used to build it.
Quote:Sarah Palin’s record on the environment is, in a word, terrible. If you’ve admired the Bush administration’s hostility toward the environment and were hoping for an additional four years of science-free public policy from the nation’s chief executives, the prospect of a McCain-Palin victory in November should send you into peals of rapturous praise. Where true believers hear in Sarah Palin the voice of an authentic conservative, others have discerned the faint soundtrack of circus music she brings to the campaign. Hostile toward data that might compromise her pro-development evangelism, Palin embodies a willful ignorance toward professional science that runs counter to her defenders’ insistence that she is a pragmatic leader. The possibility that Palin, as vice president, might be responsible for crafting a framework for America’s energy policy should set the nation’s teeth on edge.
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