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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Darkly sarcastic with a hefty dose of irony. But not untrue, either.

And no, I don't give myself points for trying, because even though I got in there and tried, nothing changed. But I also know I'm going to keep trying, because it's not in me to walk away.

Horray for the poor people I'm trying to help. Must be so comforting knowing they have complete incompetence to help them in their final moments.

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Originally posted by Iremisst:
I've read your post three times and I still can't reaaly tell if you are asking for help or being darkly sarcastic, so anyway here are some things I've learned...

For some people, happiness comes easy- like breathing air. For others? happiness is more like breathing mud...

You are the ONLY person on this planet that can put in the effort it takes to make YOU happy. Only you can care enough for you to fix you.

Please try to be happy, for years I said the same things. Trying to be happy is much better than trying to dispair. Have a hug, Bytemite- xxx See, I feel better...

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Originally posted by RiverDancer:
There is no realistic or logical situation in which this would work, but I would give my life for a better world. If there was any possible way my life could buy an end of suffering and ignorance, a happier and brighter future, an end of the twisted and torturous webs humanity has woven, I would give my life for that.
Of course, since there is no magic bullet to fix the world, I'll be hanging on to my life; I think I can contribute more by becoming a teacher and mother.

HRWATPWRTCITG

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People who only demand happiness probably also only eat one kind of pizza ever And I bet it would be an hawaian - yuk.

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Originally posted by RiverDancer:
Lol, yes, I remember hearing that alleged case. Clearly unsuccessful.

I'm not surprised at all that you share the sentiment. Of course, those who share the sentiment are the ones who need to stick around, methinks.

HRWATPWRTCITG

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Omigwad, Byte, I will SO join your little "army" and fight for the rights of pineapple on pizzas everywhere! It's my favorite; pineapple and Madrange French ham. And lots and lots of sauteed onions, and garlic (one can NEVER have too much garlic!).

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but for me it was that if my dying would wipe all HUMANS off the earth, I'd do so gladly. The earth could heal and whatever the next dominant species would be could have their chance. It would just HAVE to be better than what we've done.

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Nik,

My point was this.

If you are trained to always "let someone else handle it"... be they cops, firefighters, EMTs, or the myriad of other "professionals", then when the time comes to do something, when noone else is around... you'll just back off and, like Pavlovs dog, call 911, and wait for the "right" people to come.

When maybe, just maybe, you could have done something to make a tragedy a little less worse.

So yes, being reliant on someone else to do the saving is wrong.

I think they even did a Superman comic about it. "Oh Superman will save them, so I dont have to do anything."

If you are there, if you can help, you SHOULD. No matter the risk, no matter that help "might" be on the way.

Even if oyu are physically incapable of doing anything, find someone who CAN and get THEM to help.

ETA: Otherwise, you end up with something like this:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/27/california.gang.rape.investigation/

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There's a third route, you know; believing it's hopeless YET doing everything you can in the hopes you're wrong. That's me. I don't WANT to bet on our self-destruction, it's just the way it's been headed from the beginning, and we've never learned otherwise. Doesn't mean I won't do all in my power to fight it.

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
If only someone who cared had been there. Well maybe that girl wouldn't have been brutalized like she was.

Yeah, it could have read... "Stupid idiot dies attempting to stop the gang rape of young girl".

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KPO, I was responding to your statement that “a man can be effective and useful going out of his way to be a hero...(or... man who acts heroically because the situation is thrust upon him”. I believe they would be the same; whether he did it to “be a hero” or instinctively, the motivation is pretty much the same...the desire to do good. One may be just more aware of the fact that it would make him feel good than the other (for whom I would argue the knowledge that it would make him feel good about himself is SUBCONSCIOUS), but both want to do good.

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As to the dog, you’re not understanding me. Of COURSE he was acting out of concern for the dog...what I’ve been trying to say is that, in a case such as that, the internalized philosophy of preventing harm to a dog is ingrained, instinctive, so that when the philosophy is acted upon, it makes the person feel good about themselves on some level. They may not be aware of it, but it does. It’s called “doing what’s right”, and people who have the basic belief that what’s right is making an effort to prevent others being harmed have fulfilled their belief by acting on it. Mental calculation doesn’t come into it...the belief is ingrained, the brain makes a million calculations a second, ergo it becomes what we’d call “instinct”.

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Ok. Lets take it old school. I dare you. I double dog dare you.

Next time you see someone being hurt, a lost dog, a fire, a person crying, a violent crime..anything.

I dare you to try and stop it.

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Loaded question, perhaps, but as valid as "do you have a god" in its way, and I'm curious. So I'm asking it.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
signing off

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Ohhh, good question girlfriend.

I'd say recording the perfect piece of music. Something I'd be remembered for as changing the form of music. Think I'd die for that.

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