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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Hadn't we heard this all before ?


How many days has it been ? Just show of 3 months?


If it holds, good. I'll not feel good about this until the relief well starts pumping oil out.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Hell, why didn't David Vitter just go down there with his hookers and his diapers and soak all the oil up?

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Originally posted by Niki2:
up to 184 million gallons-

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one of America's biggest environmental catastrophes

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Hell, why didn't David Vitter just go down there with his hookers and his diapers and soak all the oil up?

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I'm sure you'd know how that'd be accomplished, huh?

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Originally posted by RiverDancer:
Gorramn, what a relief!

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Originally posted by Niki2:
up to 184 million gallons-

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I'd bet money in Vegas that should read something more like "AT LEAST 184 million gallons." That thing was seriously terrifying.

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That's the second time I've seen this referred to as an environmental catastrophe for America, as though the rest of the world will bear no impact. Nice as that would be, I don't think it will work that way. The thing about oceans is that they reach everywhere.

HRWATPWRTCITG

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Originally posted by Niki2:

I can't be convinced BP WANTED this, nor Obama, despite the conspiracy theorists and rightie politicians.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
There's far more proof that Obama wanted this to continue than Bush/ Cheney orchestrated 9/11 or blew the levees in New Orleans.

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I don't remember anyone ever saying Bush blew the levees.

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I remember several people saying that the levees were known to be weak and that the Bush administration opted not to fix them because it would be too expensive.

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Red tape in a state of emergency is just stupid, it should be eliminated, no question.

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....if it had been bypassed by executive order or something, there would be all kinds of bleating about Obama abusing his power.

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there are plenty of people who will scream no matter what he does, and trying to please everyone just makes him less effective.

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I don't remember anyone ever saying Bush blew the levees.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
And I don't know which " pump " you're referring.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Proof ?

Obama denied help from foreign countries for weeks.

Obama delayed the deployment of skimmers

Obama wants to shut down off shore drilling, a move that none other than Dem loyalist James Carville says will kill the economy down there...

Obama kept boats from helping the clean up of oil, so life vests and flashlights could be counted ( none ever were, btw )

The list goes on and on, Niki.


You want to make the case that it's sheer incompetence, and NOT an overt attempt to screw things up worse, there by taking advantage of a serious crisis ?

By all means, go ahead then. We can meet in the middle then, ok ?

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Okay, let's put this one to rest once and for all. Bush lied. I will repost this every time you continue to say that he didn't, I warn you.

FROM THE WHITE HOUSE ARCHIVES:

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We found the weapons of mass destruction... and we’ve so far discovered two. But for those who say we haven’t found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they’re wrong, we found them.

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(Text of an Interview of the President by TVP, Poland...again, FROM THE WHITE HOUSE, which can be found at http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/g8/interview5.html ).

Later, in an interview with Diane Sawyer, excusing his lie that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, by claiming that there was no difference between having weapons and wanting to have them. "So what's the difference?" http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/18/politics/18PREX.html?ex=1387083600&e
n=8eb2b57b65a77b8d&ei=5007&partner=USERLAND

There is lots and LOTS more at http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqlies.html#LIES about the various lies that led up to the war.

PUT IT TO BED, Crappy, it's there, in the White House Archives, in black and white. You do not get more authoritative proof than that. Enough already.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
And I don't know which " pump " you're referring.

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Really? You don't?
Can anyone help Raptor out?
Or was I needlessly obtuse in my reference?

HRWATPWRTCITG

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Obama Administration Knew About Deepwater Horizon 35,000 Feet Well Bore, Green-Lighted And Fast-Tracked Project

Submitted by Wayne Madsen of www.OilPrice.com

Obama Administration Knew About Deepwater Horizon 35,000 Feet Well Bore

President Obama and Secretary of Interior Ken Salazar, Secretary of Energy Steven Chu, and Defense Secretary Robert Gates were informed that BP would drill an unprecedented 35,000 feet well bore at the Macondo site off the coast of Louisiana. In September 2009, the Deepwater Horizon successfully sunk a well bore at a depth of 35,055 below sea level at the Tiber Prospect in the Keathley Canyon block 102 in the Gulf of Mexico, southeast of Houston.

During the September drilling operations, the Deepwater Horizon drill penetrated a massive undersea oil deposit but BP's priorities changed when the Macondo site in the Mississippi Canyon off the coast of Louisiana was found to contain some 3-4 billion barrels of oil in an underground cavern estimated to be about the size of Mount Everest. It was as a result of another 35,000 feet well bore sank by the Deepwater Horizon at the Macondo site that the catastrophic explosion occurred on April 20.

According to the Wayne Madsen Report (WMR) sources within the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers and the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), the Pentagon and Interior and Energy Departments told the Obama Administration that the newly-discovered estimated 3-4 billion barrels of oil in the Gulf of Mexico would cover America's oil needs for up to eight months if there was a military attack on Iran that resulted in the bottling up of the Strait of Hormuz to oil tanker traffic, resulting in a cut-off of oil to the United States from the Persian Gulf.

Obama, Salazar, Chu, and Gates green-lighted the risky Macondo drilling operation from the outset, according to WMR's government sources.

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... retired Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen, the Obama administration's spill response chief, said a seep had been detected a distance from busted oil well, and he demanded that BP provide results of further testing of the seabed Sunday night. Allen didn't say what was coming from the seep.

The concern all along — since pressure readings on the cap weren't as high as expected — was a leak elsewhere in the wellbore, meaning the cap may have to be reopened to prevent the environmental disaster from becoming even worse and harder to fix.

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These high porosity zones, and often sections above them, can be very difficult to drill. These wells are drilled with a weighted drilling mud... This well required 16 lbs per gallon weight, which likely translates to bottom hole pressure somewhere around 19,000 lbs per square inch (PSI) at 23,000 feet... That's big.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

And in response to the failed BOP, who really knows ? That seems to be well outside the direct control of the Federal Gov't, but I can't say, either way on that matter.

All I know is that it was the Obama administration that approved of the drilling by the DWH. Not Bush.

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Obama Administration Knew About Deepwater Horizon 35,000 Feet Well Bore, Green-Lighted And Fast-Tracked Project

Submitted by Wayne Madsen of www.OilPrice.com

Obama Administration Knew About Deepwater Horizon 35,000 Feet Well Bore

President Obama and Secretary of Interior Ken Salazar, Secretary of Energy Steven Chu, and Defense Secretary Robert Gates were informed that BP would drill an unprecedented 35,000 feet well bore at the Macondo site off the coast of Louisiana. In September 2009, the Deepwater Horizon successfully sunk a well bore at a depth of 35,055 below sea level at the Tiber Prospect in the Keathley Canyon block 102 in the Gulf of Mexico, southeast of Houston.

During the September drilling operations, the Deepwater Horizon drill penetrated a massive undersea oil deposit but BP's priorities changed when the Macondo site in the Mississippi Canyon off the coast of Louisiana was found to contain some 3-4 billion barrels of oil in an underground cavern estimated to be about the size of Mount Everest. It was as a result of another 35,000 feet well bore sank by the Deepwater Horizon at the Macondo site that the catastrophic explosion occurred on April 20.

According to the Wayne Madsen Report (WMR) sources within the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers and the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), the Pentagon and Interior and Energy Departments told the Obama Administration that the newly-discovered estimated 3-4 billion barrels of oil in the Gulf of Mexico would cover America's oil needs for up to eight months if there was a military attack on Iran that resulted in the bottling up of the Strait of Hormuz to oil tanker traffic, resulting in a cut-off of oil to the United States from the Persian Gulf.

Obama, Salazar, Chu, and Gates green-lighted the risky Macondo drilling operation from the outset, according to WMR's government sources.

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Originally posted by SignyM:

I gather that the concern by the Obama administration is that if the well casing disintegrates under pressure, the leak will not be able to be stopped by any means. My understanding is that BP want to keep the well capped for liability and publicity reasons, while the administration may want to let the oil flow again in order to preserve whatever integrity the well casing currently has.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
I gather that the concern by the Obama administration is that if the well casing disintegrates under pressure, the leak will not be able to be stopped by any means.

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Now there is growing and compelling evidence that BP used influence and money to gain the release of the sole jailed Lockerbie bomber for drilling concessions from Libya.

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Now there is growing and compelling evidence that BP used influence and money to gain the release of the sole jailed Lockerbie bomber for drilling concessions from Libya.

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I wouldn't be surprised. Where are you seeing this news?

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
It is a bit strange how the "doctors" could be so wrong in their evaluation, and the timing of it was so convenient to BP's Libya goals. Now it looks like he'll live a long long time.

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If found to be true, BP doesn't have enough money to repair that damage to their public image.

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If found to be true, BP doesn't have enough money to repair that damage to their public image.

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Nah... there are a lot of corporatists who'd be able to explain why it wasn't as bad as it looks!

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