A well armed society is a polite one. by Wulfenstar

Maybe, though I'm pretty sure the Wild West had a pretty high death count. On the other hand, that's possibly because people were less inhibited, and it was difficult to enforce laws.

Two different views. Hard to say which is better; it's not fun to die, but people chose this life, and it's not fun to be inhibited either.

One thing you do have to watch for is the biggest, toughest guy who's the best fighter won't have to watch his mouth as much as lesser fighters.

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:48 AM

EVILDINOSAUR

So it's your belief that only under threat of injury or death can humans possibly be decent to one another?

Secondly, you believe that things as simple as words are worth shooting, even killing someone over?

If these are truly your beliefs, that's sad.

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:48 AM

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"though I'm pretty sure the Wild West had a pretty high death count."

The highest death count from a single inter-personal fight (not a government sactioned slaughter, mind)

Was at the OK Corral.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunfight_at_the_O.K._Corral

Thats a hell of a lot less than the "wars" between the Crips/Bloods, or even Columbine.

So saying the Wild West had a high death rate from gun battles, is really a product of Hollywood.

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:49 AM

Interesting. Thanks.

Maybe people got all their violent tendencies out with those excellent bar fights. :) Guns ain't kosher rules there.

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:50 AM

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"So it's your belief that only under threat of injury or death can humans possibly be decent to one another?

Secondly, you believe that things as simple as words are worth shooting, even killing someone over?"

Yes, and No.

However, I deal with things as I have seen them, as they actually are.

You say the wrong thing to the wrong person, they might just kill you (or try) over it.

ETA: and thats not a bad thing. Choose your words carefully, speak well, and when you must give the business to someone, do it bravely.

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:52 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...

You live in DC right??

5th in manslaughter in the US - maybe they're using harsh language.

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:55 AM

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Actually DC USED to be the murder capitol of the US, but as guns became more prevalent, and the people stopped being victims... the shift went North to BodyMore... exscuse me, I mean, Baltimore.

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 10:01 AM

Thinking over this again, OK Corral may have had the highest body count of the time, but might not represent the entirety of the body count for the wild west. By which I mean, there might have been a lot of smaller one on one altercations. And things we don't know about, like free rangers getting shot and authorities looking the other way, not reporting what happened.

But I'll keep your POV in mind, because like I said, interesting.

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 10:07 AM

RIVERLOVE

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Actually DC USED to be the murder capitol of the US, but as guns became more prevalent, and the people stopped being victims... the shift went North to BodyMore... exscuse me, I mean, Baltimore.

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 10:08 AM

MALACHITE

Wulf said, "Thats a hell of a lot less than the "wars" between the Crips/Bloods, or even Columbine."

Um, gangs are pretty well armed, but they aren't all that polite to one another...

Also, the idea of my free speech being limited by the threat of someone deciding to escalate my words to bullets seems a bit disturbing to me... Why do we need the threat of weapons to be nice to one another?

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 10:08 AM

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True, but luckily... nowadays we have this.

http://www.thearmedcitizen.com/

Unfortunatly, there are those who do not wish people to know how/where/and when people defend themselves and would love nothing more than to shut the idea of self-defense down.

But such is life and the gun-control people.

The battle goes on.

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 10:14 AM

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"Also, the idea of my free speech being limited by the threat of someone deciding to escalate my words to bullets seems a bit disturbing to me... Why do we need the threat of weapons to be nice to one another?"

I know, scary, isn't it?

But its a good thing. You have the absolute, unquestionable right to say whatever the fuck you feel like.

Just know, that in doing that, you may have to defend those words with a gun.

Real life is not like the internet.

Here, you can say whatever you feel with the reasonable assumption that whomever you offend wont/cant hunt you down.

Out there? Not so much.

So. Just think before you speak, or write. Think beforehand if what you say is worth fighting over. Killing over.

I do. Everyday. Here or in the real world.

Just my 2 cents.

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 10:23 AM

MALACHITE

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:

So. Just think before you speak, or write. Think beforehand if what you say is worth fighting over. Killing over.

I'm fine with this sentiment. I don't need the threat of violence to mind my words, so I'm wondering if there are other ways to encourage respectful behavior besides the imminent threat of violence.

Also, I'm not sure I like such extremism. The one verbal mistake and you are dead mentality seems harsh to me. Kind of like, steal a loaf of bread and you get your hand cut off seems unnecessarily harsh. It may produce results, but I'm not totally sure that's the society I want to live in -- especially if they carry that mentality over to other arenas. Like, if a journalist publishes something I don't like, the bullets will be flying...

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 10:28 AM

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"so I'm wondering if there are other ways to encourage respectful behavior besides the imminent threat of violence."

Of course there are.

In the South, folks are taught to be respectful, because its the nice and polite things to do. You catch more flies with honey etc...

But in the end, it comes down to standing by your words, no matter what.

As to journalists, both left and right... wouldn't "bullets flying" be a nice reminder?

So. The question is: Are you willing to stand by your words, no matter what?

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 10:58 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

"Here, you can say whatever you feel with the reasonable assumption that whomever you offend wont/cant hunt you down.
Out there? Not so much.
So. Just think before you speak, or write. Think beforehand if what you say is worth fighting over. Killing over.
I do. Everyday. Here or in the real world."

Hello,

It's curious that you would posit this opinion on the same day you admitted to saying something crass and rude that you were ashamed of. (Presumably ashamed, since you claim to have apologized.)

I believe in an armed society, and I agree that people tend to be nicer when there are consequences for failing to do so. However, even if you armed all the population of the U.S., it's important to note that only a percentage of them would actually be dangerous- and hence a danger to other dangerous folk. Most people are unprepared to kill other people, a fact to which the military will attest. It takes a lot of hard work to get your average joe to kill someone, even when it's ostensibly in his best interests to do so.

So, let's not imagine that arming everyone will solve the ills of antisocial behavior. It's everyone's right to defend themselves, but not everyone will find themselves able to do so competently in our society. More important than arming everyone would be teaching them from birth how and when to defend themselves, empowering them with confidence, and instilling in them a positive value set with a bent towards cooperation and de-escalation of conflict. That combo is worth more than a howitzer. If I had to choose between teaching people well and handing them a revolver, I'd do the former every time.

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:00 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

"If I had to choose between teaching people well and handing them a revolver, I'd do the former every time."

How about both?

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:02 AM

MALACHITE

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:

As to journalists, both left and right... wouldn't "bullets flying" be a nice reminder?

No, I think a letter to the editor is sufficient reminder and turning off the TV is a sufficient way to silence them. Your use of bullets here smacks of extremism, to me...

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:07 AM

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I meant it as an intellectual excercise. If you are part of the media, and know that your words have consequences, real and lead-like, would the news actually report news? Instead of opinion?

Extremism... heh. In this day and age, if you make a stand against the status quo, you are an extremist... so be it.

I don't mind.

Just my 2 cents.

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:11 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

I find the idea that one should be careful what one says under threat of being assaulted or killed astonishing, unacceptable and reprehensible. I see verbal fights nearly every day, and neither participant would even conceive of attacking the other, much less killing them. Even when it gets overheated (by which I mean a PROLONGED and angry exchange of words) does it resort to even fisticuffs, and that rarely.

It may be the mentality in the world where gangs and crime abound, but it does NOT represent the entire world, or even a large proportion of this country. By advocating all citizenry carry arms, is that what you're advocating???

It's an insane concept, that the wrong word might bring about one's death...and isn't that "censorship"? Are you only against censorship if it's done by the government? And do you truly think that by being armed, people would be more polite? Isn't it the places where people ARE armed that are the least "polite"?

I think you live in a world which represents a small part of America, and it is from there that your views arise, and from those views that you see that mentality as being efficacious to the greater whole. In that respect, your suggestion of an armed citizenry being good is fallacious.

What you believe may be YOUR "real world", but it is not THE real world.

Ergo, I don't think you're seeing reality and I disagree wholeheartedly.

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Contracted Agent of __________________, code name ‘Nike”,
signing off

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:14 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
So, let's not imagine that arming everyone will solve the ills of antisocial behavior. It's everyone's right to defend themselves, but not everyone will find themselves able to do so competently in our society. More important than arming everyone would be teaching them from birth how and when to defend themselves, empowering them with confidence, and instilling in them a positive value set with a bent towards cooperation and de-escalation of conflict. That combo is worth more than a howitzer.

Amen.

Folks keep ignoring it as I point out that in many well armed societies, it's not the arms, it's the sanity - they don't mangle their children emotionally and psychologically in the name of raising them like we do at the behest of monsters like Dobson, Ezzo and the like.

The Swiss in particular, are about fifteen YEARS ahead of us so far as raising children goes, followed closely by Finland, as a matter of fact.

It does strike me as ironic that both of those countries are also notorious for rejection of outside meddling, including and specifically ours.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:18 AM

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I come from hell and bring the best of what I learned there.

So, I am right. An armed society IS a polite one, as you should choose your words carefully.

But its also a more brave one. Because the people who actually speak out know very well the consequences, and do so anyways.

Censorship? This isn't about losing your house for saying Obama sucks (which, if you think about it is much more slimey and disgusting), no. This is about saying what you will, and being willing to stand by it, because your life COULD be on the line.

However, thats also why I say "I disagree with what you say, sir, but I will defend with my life your right to say it".

Good cancels the dark. Freedom, and the proper use of it by free people.

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:35 AM

I'm not convinced that the more opportunities folk have to shoot each other, the less they'll take them, or that raising the specter of a shooting in every social interaction makes society polite. Nervous perhaps, because if you do not "choose your words carefully", someone shoots you. And I imagine they'll be justified?

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:39 AM

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Well, to quote:

They shoot you, SHOOT BACK!

Mince, you are looking at things from the view of a victim/prey.

I didn't say that the ones speaking are DISARMED. No, they are armed as well.

So, you speak your mind, someone takes offense, they pull... SO DO YOU.

People do that, after a time (we have to get past the victim mentality), pulling on someone you disagree with will become stupid as well.

Think about that the next time you see a Nation of Islam group, a Klan gathering, or the Westboro Baptist idiots.

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:57 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

I don't think there is any evidence that a well armed society is a polite one, only one where there are more deaths and injury from the use of firearms.

But that is neither here nor there, if you believe that it is your right to possess firearms to prevent tyranny, things like increased in murder rates and politeness or otherwise are not the issue, surely?

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:58 AM

I dispute approaching the issue of gun violence from the point of view of prey; I prey upon the old, the young, the weak and the sick. This is why I am irresistibly drawn to you...you're like a bloody fawn.

In your hypo, people shoot each other with great frequency. But that's ok, because shooting back makes it a polite exchange? This does not sound polite, but rather bloody.

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 12:05 PM

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For the record folks, Mincing has insulted me... he knows it, and is plenty safe behind his screen.

Besides, he has every right to say whatever he wants. If hes an American, of course.

British? Not so much. Those sad folks exist at the whim of the government they have given themselves mind, soul, and body to.

So.. fawn you say. Well, sir, you have the right to believe and say whatever you want.

And yes, being a fully armed society DOES have the added benefit of protecting us against a tyrannical government.

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 12:13 PM

Damn it, you're supposed to reach for your gun. Bambi. Yo soy un pistolero.

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 12:15 PM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Pew pew pew bangbangbangbang.

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 12:25 PM

*mincingbeast sneers, twirls his mustache and reaches for his gun. He is fast, but Wulf is faster. Mincingbeast collapses in a bloody pile, and RWED is a politer place*

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 12:37 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello Wulf,

I can't help but think that your approach to arms is backwards, like food approaching the belly by way of the bum. I repeatedly feel as though your arguments are half-grounded in heroic fantasies where Just words and Just actions are upheld with Bullets and Balls, and the shameful Bullying Cowards of society fall before the Blazing Barrels of you and your allies.

Every time you propose a change to society, it sounds like the byproduct of such a fantasy.

At no point does it become apparent to you that you could easily step into the role of the villain in this play, without changing your either your actions or demeanor or attitude. The bully and the hero are interchangeable in your story. You can be both. Wulf insults the honor of a lady, and Wulf gets shot down by Wulf, thus ending the crass rudeness of Wulf and upholding the social responsibility of Wulf. It's a Fistful of Datas, and you can play all the parts.

The society you describe is chaotic and murderous and cruel. And, thankfully, it is imaginary.

When the thought of shooting someone for dishonoring you is appalling and horrible, you'll have the responsibility you need to go with that right you enjoy.

When the thought of solving a problem by killing it makes you decidedly uncomfortable, you'll have the humanity needed to solve human problems.

Every time you imagine shooting down a bevy of villains, and grin with delighted relish at the thought, remember to chastise yourself. You are fostering the worst parts of the human condition, not the best. You are flattering the demon on your shoulder.

Perhaps you'll be forced to hurt someone, maybe even kill them, before the rest of your days are done. But if that thought represents a delightful departure from your humdrum existence, then something is wrong with you and you need to take a hard look at yourself. I don't understand how you endured the tragic experiences you allude to from your neighborhood and your youth and came out of it thinking that life ought to be like a Spaghetti Western or a Samurai Sunday movie of the week.

Life is deeper than an action-flick cliché.

--Anthony

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 12:39 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
For the record folks, Mincing has insulted me... he knows it, and is plenty safe behind his screen.

Besides, he has every right to say whatever he wants. If hes an American, of course.

Except if he/she is insulting, and then sire, you draw your weapon and aim between the eyes...

Quote:
British? Not so much. Those sad folks exist at the whim of the government they have given themselves mind, soul, and body to.

But heaps less gun deaths per capita...and you know THEY get the same voting rights as you do, maybe even a little better organised.

Quote:

And yes, being a fully armed society DOES have the added benefit of protecting us against a tyrannical government.

but does it protect you against crazed vigilante groups who see tryanny where others see a system of governmnent?

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 12:47 PM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

When you guys realize that life is much simpler (in certain things) then you will see the truth.

Life is not ALWAYS shades of gray.

Its been my experience that its only THAT in about 50% of the time. The rest is just black and white, right and wrong.

Yeah, its my 30+ years, so take it as you see fit.

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 12:57 PM

Can I ask you to shoot me, in this society? Is that acceptable?

Being shot sounds like kind of a good idea right now.

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 1:01 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello Wulf,

If you must see things as Black and White, then try this on for size: Every time you commit an act of violence, you are a failure. Be ashamed, regretful, and sad. Perhaps you couldn't think of another way out of the situation. Perhaps it was the best of many bad options. It was still a bad option. It was still wrong, and awful, and shameful.

That's your Black and White. Even in the best cause, hurting someone is always the Blackest of Black deeds. Ending a horrible villain is still Black. Every heroic battle of your dreams is Black.

White is the dream you should be aspiring to. The one where no one gets hurt. The rest? All that exciting Righteous Defense? It's all Black.

When you squeeze the trigger, you're a loser, playing a loser's hand.

--Anthony

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 1:03 PM

Personally, I'm disappointed this thread hasn't turned more violent yet.

Come on, people, I wanna see some GIBS. This is Wulf's thread, I don't think he's going to mind.

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 1:04 PM

Wulf! I'm calling you out. You, me, and my lightning sword need to have WORDS!

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 1:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
Can I ask you to shoot me, in this society? Is that acceptable?

Being shot sounds like kind of a good idea right now.

Don't ask; just insult. Its how I got Wulf to shoot me. *emits agonized death rattle, expires*

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 1:09 PM

*shoots the corpse until it explodes unrealistically*

Finally.

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 1:23 PM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"so I'm wondering if there are other ways to encourage respectful behavior besides the imminent threat of violence."

Of course there are.

In the South, folks are taught to be respectful, because its the nice and polite things to do. You catch more flies with honey etc...

But in the end, it comes down to standing by your words, no matter what.

As to journalists, both left and right... wouldn't "bullets flying" be a nice reminder?

So, say, you're a newspaper cartoonist, and you draw a funny little picture of Mohammed as a terrorist. What you're saying is, if that's offensive to someone, you SHOULD be killed for it. Right?

Quote:

So. The question is: Are you willing to stand by your words, no matter what?

"Being called a racist by a Liberal is a badge of honor."

Yes. Do we have to have a duel now?

"Being called a Liberal by a racist is a badge of honor."

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 1:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
I meant it as an intellectual excercise. If you are part of the media, and know that your words have consequences, real and lead-like, would the news actually report news? Instead of opinion?

Extremism... heh. In this day and age, if you make a stand against the status quo, you are an extremist... so be it.

I don't mind.

Just my 2 cents.

"Being called a racist by a Liberal is a badge of honor."

Again, you seem to be arguing that anyone who disagrees with you would be fully justified in killing you.

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Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 1:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
I don't think there is any evidence that a well armed society is a polite one, only one where there are more deaths and injury from the use of firearms.

Righty-Oh!

Here in America, we are the epitome of the well-armed society. We have more guns here than we have people here. I haven't noticed any sudden outbreak of politeness in this country as a result.

Similarly, Wulfie is armed. So am I. We're not very nice to each other, are we? I have no fear of Wulfie coming to kill me for my words (*HE* claims he'd defend with his life my right to use my words), and I doubt he's worried about me tracking him down and killing him.

I can only conclude that he is wrong in his hypothesis and his conclusion.

Quote:

But that is neither here nor there, if you believe that it is your right to possess firearms to prevent tyranny, things like increased in murder rates and politeness or otherwise are not the issue, surely?

Again, it takes a "foreigner" to show us the reality of our situation.

Thanks, Magons!

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Go fuck yourself.
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Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
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Thursday, July 22, 2010 1:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mincingbeast:
*mincingbeast sneers, twirls his mustache and reaches for his gun. He is fast, but Wulf is faster. Mincingbeast collapses in a bloody pile, and RWED is a politer place*

I demand a rematch! I think you can take him!

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 2:03 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Quote:
I repeatedly feel as though your arguments are half-grounded in heroic fantasies where Just words and Just actions are upheld with Bullets and Balls, and the shameful Bullying Cowards of society fall before the Blazing Barrels of you and your allies.

Every time you propose a change to society, it sounds like the byproduct of such a fantasy.

At no point does it become apparent to you that you could easily step into the role of the villain in this play, without changing your either your actions or demeanor or attitude. The bully and the hero are interchangeable in your story. You can be both. Wulf insults the honor of a lady, and Wulf gets shot down by Wulf, thus ending the crass rudeness of Wulf and upholding the social responsibility of Wulf. It's a Fistful of Datas, and you can play all the parts.

The society you describe is chaotic and murderous and cruel. And, thankfully, it is imaginary.

When the thought of shooting someone for dishonoring you is appalling and horrible, you'll have the responsibility you need to go with that right you enjoy.

When the thought of solving a problem by killing it makes you decidedly uncomfortable, you'll have the humanity needed to solve human problems.

Every time you imagine shooting down a bevy of villains, and grin with delighted relish at the thought, remember to chastise yourself. You are fostering the worst parts of the human condition, not the best. You are flattering the demon on your shoulder.

Perhaps you'll be forced to hurt someone, maybe even kill them, before the rest of your days are done. But if that thought represents a delightful departure from your humdrum existence, then something is wrong with you and you need to take a hard look at yourself. I don't understand how you endured the tragic experiences you allude to from your neighborhood and your youth and came out of it thinking that life ought to be like a Spaghetti Western or a Samurai Sunday movie of the week.

Life is deeper than an action-flick cliché.

Waaaaal, that was easy, since Anthony said it all for me. Only HALF grounded, Anthony?? I don't think you've been looking hard enough.

Your entire premise is a fallacy, Wulf, and a fantasy...a faltasy, if you will. But I know you're impossible to reason with in this respect, so I'll move on to more interesting things.

But I DO love "being called a liberal by a racist is a badge of honor." Well turned!

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of __________________, code name ‘Nike”,
signing off

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 2:54 PM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...

Wait, if "guns don't kill people, people do," then it shouldn't matter if there are more or less guns, right?

Scifi movie music + Firefly dialogue clips, 24 hours a day - http://www.scifiradio.com

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 3:54 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Oh come now, we all know he's just desperately seeking an excuse to gather up a bunch of folk just like him and apply a rope to those who aren't, preferably at twenty to one odds on his side.

Quote:
Jackals: "Finally, we have a strong leader ready to put those malcontents in their places! Where do I sign up?" Jackals are like Lemmings and Snakes: they eagerly collaborate with the villain because they think his campaign of terror and genocide are just causes. Whether it's out of hate, fanaticism, or ignorance, they prefer the villain's despotism to a more benevolent regime. Usually they're harmless once the villain is dethroned: their prejudice comes out only when the bad guys are in power.

There's only two ways to deal with other people, reason, and force.

Those who CHOOSE force, because they are *unwilling* to reason, like Jackal-boy here, are bullies, they want the power in their fist, in their horde, so they can make other peoples decisions for them, whether they like it or not - the very essence of the worst of Government, and the core ill he likes to accuse everyone else of to avoid having to face the awful horrors of introspection, while he whines about what the world and everyone else "owes" him as he flames others for having an entitlement complex.

Hypocrisy, thy name is Wulfenstar.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 4:44 PM

*jumps sides*

*Uses a rez spell on MB*

Yeah, I felt guilty. Turns out I don't have the stomach for internet violence after all.

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 5:02 PM

FREMDFIRMA

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Thursday, July 22, 2010 5:05 PM