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Last of the REAL journalists dies...

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Saturday, July 24, 2010 8:23 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


We were talking about REAL journalists in some thread or other. There goes what may well be the last of them:
Quote:

Veteran broadcast journalist Daniel Schorr died at a Washington hospital Friday morning, according to National Public Radio. Schorr was 93.

Schorr, who began as a foreign newspaper correspondent in 1946, helped launch CNN as its senior Washington correspondent in 1980 after two decades with CBS.

NPR, which Schorr joined as senior news analyst in 1985, said he died peacefully after a short illness.

His coverage put him on Richard Nixon's infamous "enemies list."

"Dan Schorr was an indefatigable and very good reporter," former CBS anchor Dan Rather said. "He was an eye witness to many of the great events of the twentieth century. He covered them with accuracy and integrity."

Schorr's career was marked with controversy, but he served as an elder statesman of journalism in his last decades with NPR.

The host of NPR's "Weekend Edition" called Schorr "a fierce journalist."

"Nobody else in broadcast journalism -- or perhaps any field -- had as much experience and wisdom," Scott Simon said. "I am just glad that, after being known for so many years as a tough and uncompromising journalist, NPR listeners also got to know the Dan Schorr that was playful, funny and kind."

Schorr covered the rebuilding of Western Europe for the Christian Science Monitor starting in 1946.

He joined Edward R. Murrow's CBS news team as its Washington diplomatic correspondent in 1953.

Schorr resigned from CBS in 1976 after the network suspended him amid a controversy over the leaking of a secret U.S. intelligence report. Schorr refused to tell Congress the source of the document, citing his First Amendment protections.

CNN founder Ted Turner hired Schorr in 1979 as he was preparing to launch the Cable News Network the next summer.

"With Schorr in place, nobody in the news business would question CNN's integrity," Hank Whittemore wrote in his 1990 book "CNN: The Inside Story."

Sad day; now ALL we have left are "talking heads".



Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of __________________, code name ‘Nike”,
signing off



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Saturday, July 24, 2010 2:12 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Not quite the very last, Sam Donaldson hasn't keeled over yet - although much like me he has faded to a pale shadow of his former glory.

I still fondly, and vividly, remember the moment I decided I liked the guy, when he had cornered some big three exec in an elevator and just wouldn't let it go.

Exec: "You're an asshole, Donaldson!"
Sam: "That I may be sir, but will you answer the question?"

These days any 'real' journalism has to be done by us, by the many peons too small and widely distributed to be crushed in own blow by the powers that be, any of us, all of us - we ARE the new media, and a voice that cannot be silenced.

But we should never forget, and always honor, those who stood to and inspired that example, people like Cronkite, Murrow, Shorr, all of the ones who came before, all the way back to the first iron fist of Journalism, John Peter Zenger.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Saturday, July 24, 2010 2:58 PM

DMAANLILEILTT


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Originally posted by Niki2:
Sad day; now ALL we have left are "talking heads".



what's wrong with only having an awesome 70's rock band. oh, you mean the unawesome shitheads.

i guess we'll have to go all "psycho killer" now.

"I really am ruggedly handsome, aren't I?"

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Monday, July 26, 2010 1:32 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by dmaanlileiltt:
Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Sad day; now ALL we have left are "talking heads".



what's wrong with only having an awesome 70's rock band. oh, you mean the unawesome shitheads.

i guess we'll have to go all "psycho killer" now.

"I really am ruggedly handsome, aren't I?"





"You start a conversation you can't even finish it.
You're talking a lot, but you're not saying anything.
When I have nothing to say, my lips are sealed.
Say something once, why say it again?"



Yup, that does seem to apply to the current crop of talking heads...

AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.


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Monday, July 26, 2010 6:20 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


The trouble with "real" journalism being done by those on line, Frem, is we haven't the resources, and the Fuckwad Theory is always too much around us. As in blogger + halfassed theory/agenda/lack of facts = "SCOOP!" We should give it a name (if it doesn't already have one), it's similar to Fuckwad but not the same.

Unpaid journalists have no incentive to seek out the facts, be objective, do their homework or in any other way verify their stories (see how well it works for FauxNews!). As it is now, we HAVE virtually no real journalists, I don't buy that the net anything like replaces what we once had.

For one thing, people don't write as goodly.

I also don't think it's as much "crushing" the media as buying it off. They weren't crushed before, but the evolution has been more and more toward public pablum, for-profit infotainmentm not so much with the crushing. IMHO.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of __________________, code name ‘Nike”,
signing off


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Monday, July 26, 2010 7:46 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Sorry, Niki, but I won't be joining you in bemoaning the death of investigative journalism. It's changed FORMS, it's gone in new directions, but it's still around. Ask Greg Palast and Glenn Greenwald. Ask those who broke the Abu Ghraib story. Ask Errol Morris.

The media may have changed, but the message is still getting through.

Hell, on a given day, The Daily Show probably has more relevance to the REAL news than do CBS, NBC, ABC, or Fox. In the old days, Cronkite, Huntley & Brinkley, or Eric Sevaried would give you the important news of the day. Now it's Salon.com and the Christian Science Monitor (which, despite any misgivings you may have about it because of its name, really IS turning out to be a bastion of non-partisanship). The sources changed because the networks decided that their news divisions could be profit centers rather than loss leaders. They were wrong, of course, and in the process of proving themselves wrong, they also shot their own credibility to hell.

If you want to know where the real stories are coming from, all you have to do is backtrack what the talking heads on the networks are talking about. They don't "break" stories anymore - they pick them up from outside sources like Salon, HuffPost, Vanity Fair, or Rolling Stone. Look at the McChrystal story if you need further proof.



AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.


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Monday, July 26, 2010 7:57 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Actually, I agree in large part, and said some of that. You forgot to include the AP, which they get "news" from as much as those you listed.

I was disagreeing with the idea that the internet has replaced "investigative journalism" more than anything else, and yes, I do backtrack stories. I find things on MSNBC and CNN which interest me, then look them up on google to find out more and to see, from differing viewpoints, if what I heard was taken out of context, slanted, misleading or just plain wrong.

I don't watch FauxNews precisely because of that. I already know what they report (on their political shows for sure) aren't necessarily the facts, in fact are far more often what I described above than anything else, so I ignore them...what I get as far as clips from them has proven that point sufficiently for me. Sometimes I admt I DO find stuff they've posted on line as valuable, and I know which perspective it comes from, so if in my search I don't find things that contradict it, and they wrote the story best, that's what I'll post.

I virtually never watch ABC, CBS or NBC news shows. I'll get it better and more completely from MSNBC or CNN, and then check it out myself.

So we agree completely on the main points you made, but for the majority of people, I think true journalism is dead, and given the majority of people watch the MSM and FauxNews, I mourn that they don't get the facts, or the full story, AND that they swallow what they hear as the "truth".

By the way, got a giggle out of FauxNews touting it's ratings when someone actually did a comparison and found out that, although their ratings beat those of MSNBC and CNN, they are beating hugely by many entertainment shows, including RERUNS of things like CSI and NCIS, etc. Given my 'druthers, I wish people watched BOTH FauxNews and MSNBC or CNN; it saddens me deeply that so many only watch the former as they get terribly skewed and sometimes downright fraudulent news.

I also mourn the loss of print journalism. Everything has to be "NOW", and the laziness of getting news merely from TV (or even TV and the internet in general) has contributed to exactly the sort of thing as the Sharrod mess; print journalism gave news people time to flush out a story, rather than throw it up for general consumption immediately. And print journalists far more often investigated their stories.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of __________________, code name ‘Nike”,
signing off


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Monday, July 26, 2010 8:01 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


For a minute... I thought PN had kicked the bucket...

heh



"Being called a racist by a Liberal is a badge of honor."

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Tuesday, July 27, 2010 12:30 AM

DMAANLILEILTT


"We are vain and we are blind.
I hate people when they're not polite."


damn, david byrne is starting to sound like a prophet...

"I really am ruggedly handsome, aren't I?"

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Tuesday, July 27, 2010 1:46 AM

KANEMAN


Ooops, I thought you were talking about Maddow again......

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Thursday, July 29, 2010 8:35 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


John Stossel died??? No?
Natasha Kassulke died? No?
Oh, him.
Even Dan Blather managed to get a word in there. The heights of credibility, we're talking here.

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