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Wednesday, July 28, 2010 9:12 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote: The city cut more than $800,000 from public safety and community services the same year that it gave City Manager Robert Rizzo an $82,000 raise. At the same time that top Bell officials were receiving some of the fattest municipal salaries in the nation, the city cut spending on police, social services, and parks and recreation, according to interviews and records reviewed by The Times. While City Manager Robert Rizzo was receiving more than $700,000 a year, Rosario Torres was laid off from her $9-an-hour job preparing children for kindergarten. Bell is a city near Los Angeles which covers 2.5 square miles, and has a population of approximately 36,000. As an old sitcom’s intro once sang: “Good work if you can get it, if you can get it, let me know”. Don’t cut taxes for the rich, it inentivises economic growth and everyone benefits, they say. Oh yeah? What did these guys “incentivize” and how did we benefit, exactly? Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani, Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”, signing off
Wednesday, July 28, 2010 9:16 AM
WULFENSTAR
http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg
Wednesday, July 28, 2010 9:23 AM
BYTEMITE
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Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:28 AM
RIVERLOVE
Quote:Originally posted by Wulfenstar: I actually dont care about this thread. Its bs propoganda from the liberaty anyways, in order to pit the "poor" vs the "rich" to further their agenda.
Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:41 AM
HERO
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Yes, I hear about things on Maddow, and other places. Then I look them up, check the websites to be as sure as I can that they're not slanted, and for veracity, before I post.
Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:43 AM
Quote:No, its right on topic. I actually dont care about this thread. Its bs propoganda from the liberaty anyways, in order to pit the "poor" vs the "rich" to further their agenda. No. She is quoting line and verse from the Maddow show last night. But seemingly to claim it as her own.
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Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:00 AM
STORYMARK
Quote:Originally posted by Wulfenstar: No, its right on topic. I actually dont care about this thread. Its bs propoganda from the liberaty anyways, in order to pit the "poor" vs the "rich" to further their agenda. No. She is quoting line and verse from the Maddow show last night. But seemingly to claim it as her own.
Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:01 AM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Quote:Originally posted by Wulfenstar: Nix, We all know you got that garbage from Maddow... then when I caught you and called you on it, you spent a few minutes looking up the other links. My opinions are my own, based on my OWN experience.
Quote: Don't accuse me, or anyone else here, of being mouthpieces for particular newssources/people again. It would be hypocrisy of the worst kind.
Quote:(COMMERCIAL BREAK) (MUSIC) HAYES: Well, it‘s official. Tony “I want my life back” Hayward is out as BP‘s CEO. Here is a word on Tony Hayward‘s legacy from Bob Dudley, the guy who is set to replace him as of October 1st. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) BOB DUDLEY, REPLACING HAYWARD AS BP CEO: I have great admiration for Tony. His commitment to the corporate response in the United States and around the Gulf was evident from the very beginning. When you talk to Tony, he says, look, I was the captain of the ship when a terrible accident happened. (END VIDEO CLIP) HAYES: Well, that‘s one way to look at it. Another way is that Tony Hayward was the captain of a ship that routinely and systematically ignored safety concerns—and as a result exploded, sank to the bottom of the ocean, and pumped millions of gallons of oil into the Gulf of Mexico, threatening a quarter of America‘s wetlands, not to mention the Gulf region‘s economic stability—but, you know, tomato/tomato. What‘s not in dispute is the result of Tony Hayward‘s metaphorical ship-captaining. As a reward for his, I guess, leadership, let‘s say, during this really stellar moment in BP‘s corporate history, Tony Hayward is getting a severance package plus pension payments that amount to an estimated $18 million. That‘s what he gets for presiding over a massive oil disaster and record losses. But “The Wall Street Journal” has compiled a list of the best paid CEOs of the decade and Tony Hayward‘s $18 million payout is an absolute pittance compared to the kind of cash top CEOs are raking in. Larry Ellison, the founder and CEO of Oracle, tops the list with more than $1.8 billion, billion with the B. Barry Diller of IAC and Expedia.com made $1.4 billion. Ray Irani of Occidental Petroleum made $857 million. And Steve Jobs of Apple made $749 million. Richard Fairbanks, CEO of Capital One, made off with $569 million. OK. So, CEOs, in other words, make an astonishing amount of money and, right, we know that. If we‘ve learned anything from our friend Tony Hayward, it‘s not that just because they‘re all great at their jobs and they‘re totally worth it to the company they work for. CEO pay is not, in fact, a meritocracy. It is a result of the very cozy relationship between CEOs and the people who decide how much CEOs should get paid. Here‘s how it works in a nutshell: The board of directors has to determine how much to pay their CEO, but it just so happens that most of the people on the board of directors are really good buddies with the CEO in question. So, naturally, they‘ll want to cut their pal a good deal, and there are lots and lots of ways to do that. For example, “The New York Times” is reporting this week on a study showing that boards of directors, quote, “routinely use compensation peer groups to artificially inflate pay for their chief executives.” So they pick out other overpaid CEOs and choose them as examples of why they need to overpay their CEO. Neat system, huh? This whole system would be more frustrating than infuriating if it weren‘t for the fact that CEO pay is both a cause and partly a symptom of the staggering increase of inequality in this country. I want you to take a look at this: this is how much better the poorest people in America are doing now compared to 1979. This is adjusted for inflation. It‘s income. OK. Look at that. If you are in the bottom fifth of the income bracket, you‘re making only 16 percent more today than you would have in 1979. If you‘re in the middle of the income bracket, you‘re making 25 percent more now. But the top fifth of earners in this country—they‘re making 95 percent more now than they would have in 1979. And that‘s not the really shocking part of this graph. Check this out—this is how much better the top 1 percent of Americans are doing now. The income of the very richest among us has shot up by 281 percent since 1979. The inequality represented in that graph doesn‘t just mean the rich are doing well and the poor are doing badly. It means there‘s a social pyramid in this country, and as you climb it, you enter—you encounter a smaller and smaller group of people doing better and better while everyone at the bottom stays where they are. And it‘s precisely this kind of systematic inequality that incentivized the corporate fraud of the last decade, from Enron to Countrywide. It helped drag the economy into near collapse and it‘s creating an environment in which a select group of people are able to completely immunize themselves against the fate of the rest of the society. And what that means in practical terms is that evidence of the economic collapse and the too slow recovery is in full display in cities that I‘ve been visiting in Detroit and New Orleans and Des Moines, but it‘s not at all evident on Wall Street. Something needs to be done to change that. We can all celebrate the passage of financial reform or what‘s passing for financial reform, for giving shareholders more say on how much CEOs are paid—but the problem is more fundamental and more pervasive than that, because the problem isn‘t just CEO pay. It‘s that our entire social and economic way of life in this country is broken and unfair and inequitable, and we need to figure out a way to repair it. Want to know what might be a good way to start? Well, remember how George W. Bush massively cut taxes for the richest people in America? That tax cut, the one designed to benefit the very wealthiest people in this country who are already doing so well is due to expire in January. We could let it. That would be a first step in the right direction. What remains to be seen is whether the Democrats in Congress have the political will to take that step.
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Quote:Tho' maybe, yes, something about taxing the rich. Given trickle-down doesn't work, given they're SO much richer than others, given tax cuts DO add to the deficit, why should we keep them from expiring? There's a question.
Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:08 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: So in that clip above that you stole and posted (without permission from either Affleck or Damon, I'd wager), were you Matt Damon? Is that what you're claiming?
Quote:Post up the Maddow transcript. Let's see if it's the exact same wording. After all, you DID accuse her of plagiarism. Show your evidence, if you have any.
Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:12 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Wulfenstar: ETA: its cute the little crew of like minded folks you have gathered.. Kwick, Story.
Quote:They are so kwick to rush to your side of the Story (heh, see what I did there?).
Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:27 AM
Quote:Because when Wulfie tries to form thoughs o' his own, his brain gets all hurt, and then he wants to shoot people. Youtube saves lives, by giving the borderline sociopaths an outlet.
Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:43 AM
MAL4PREZ
Quote:Originally posted by Wulfenstar: Its all the same bs, and just serves to... sadly.. divide and conquor. Especially the weak willed and minded.
Wednesday, July 28, 2010 1:36 PM
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Quote:As a group, social conservatives share the psychological trait of being authoritarian followers.1 And you can hardly miss the authoritarian follower tendencies in the behavior of the Tea Partiers. Here are a dozen that seem pretty obvious. 1. Authoritarian submission. Authoritarian followers submit to the people they consider authorities much more than non-authoritarians do. In this context, Tea Partiers seem to believe without question whatever their chosen authorities say. Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, various religious groups, the House and Senate GOP leaders, Sen. Grassley from Iowa, Rep. Bachmann from Minnesota, and of course Sarah Palin can say whatever they want about the Democrats, and the Tea Partiers will accept it and repeat it. The followers don‟t find out for themselves what the Democratic leader truly said, what is really in a bill, what a treaty actually specifies, or whether taxes have really gone up. They are happy to let Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin do their thinking for them. It has gotten so bad that their leaders casually say preposterous things that are easily refuted, because they know their audience will never believe the truth, or even hear about it. 2. Fear. Fear constantly pulses through authoritarian followers, and Tea Partiers are mightily frightened. They believe President Obama is a dictator. They also think the country will be destroyed by its mounting debt. They readily believed the health care proposals provided for “death panels” that will euthanize Down‟s syndrome babies, “put Grandma in the grave,” and place microchips in each American so the government can track us. When Rep. Paul Brown (R-GA) said that Obama‟s plan to expand such things as the Peace Corps and AmeriCorps was really intended to create a Gestapo-like, brown-shirt military force in the United States, his followers accepted this. Conservative leaders especially vilify Barack Obama, recently calling him in the space of two days (April 7 and 8) the “most radical president ever” (Gingrich) who is “inflicting untold damage on this great country” (Limbaugh) and is inviting a nuclear attack on the United States by indicating we won‟t hit back (Palin). The people who orchestrate the Tea Party movement know well what button to push first and hardest among social conservatives, and they work it overtime. And they know spreading fear “works” with others as well. Sometimes it seems they are all trying to out-boogie-man each other. 3. Self-righteousness. Self-righteousness runs very strongly in authoritarian followers, and combines with fear to unleash aggression in them. The Tea Partiers commonly describe themselves as “the good Americans,” “the true Americans,” “the people,” and “the American Patriots.” They could hardly wrap themselves in the flag more thoroughly or more often than they do. Theirs is the holy cause. They believe they are the only ones who can save the country. 4. Hostility. Authoritarian aggression is one of the defining characteristics of authoritarian followers. Do Tea Partiers seem particularly aggressive? The behind-the-scenes organizers of the protests often provided the “words” for the protest through talking-points they distributed. But the protestors put the feeling into the song, and the feeling was often hostility. They angrily called people who disagreed with them at the town halls “Liars,” “Communists,” and “Traitors.” They booed and booed until opposing speakers simply gave up. They lashed out at elected representatives who tried to engage in dialogue. If you look at some of the videos of last August‟s protests, you can see veins bulging in the necks of some of the Tea Partiers as they vented their fury. 5. A lack of critical thinking. Authoritarian followers have more trouble thinking logically than most people do. In particular, they tend to agree with sayings and slogans, even contradictory ones, because they have heard them a lot. Thus Tea Partiers reflexively, patriotically thump that the United States is the best country on earth, but as well that it is now an Obama dictatorship. They also have extra trouble applying logic to false reasoning when they like the conclusion. A ready example can be found in Tea Partiers‟ assertion that Obama is a socialist. They have heard this over and over again from Rush Limbaugh, etcetera, and “so it must be true.” But Obama has never advocated state ownership of an industry. He certainly did not advocate state ownership of health insurance, and eventually even backed away from the “public option” (that most Americans wanted) which would have let the government as well as private companies offer health insurance. 6.Our “biggest problem.” Authoritarian followers will readily believe that lots of things are our “biggest problem.” It can be drugs, the decline of religion, the breakdown of the family, you name it. Thus it was not hard to get Tea Partiers worked up about, of all things, a plan to improve health care to the levels found in other industrialized countries. Yet Tea Partiers believe the passage of the health care bill marks the end of liberty. But they could just as easily have been led to believe that climate change legislation, nuclear disarmament, gay marriage, or taking “In God we trust” off the money would sound the death knell for America. In earlier eras it could have been sex education, Sunday shopping, the 40-hour week, or a Catholic president that would lead to our doom. 7. Compartmentalized thinking. Authoritarian followers can have so many contradictory beliefs and “biggest problems” because their thinking is highly compartmentalized. Ideas exist independently of the other ideas in their head. Their thinking is so unintegrated because they have spent their lives copying what their authorities say, without examining whether the ideas fit together sensibly. And Tea Partiers say over and over that the Democrats are installing a dictatorship, but they demonstrate every time they demonstrate that Americans still have all the freedom of speech they ever had. And one notes the health care reforms bear a striking resemblance to Social Security and Medicare—which many of the protestors happily enjoy and would never give up. Tea Partiers argue that competition makes private enterprise do things more efficiently than the wasteful government can; but they don‟t want the insurance industry to have to compete against a public option in health care that might offer coverage at lower prices. And they complain bitterly that the government is ruining the economy by interfering in the free market system. But the recession was brought on precisely because the banks had been de-regulated, showing the only “invisible hand” at work then was the one sliding other people‟s money into its own pocket. Even Alan Greenspan eventually realized this ( http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/24/business/economy/24panel.html ). 8. Double Standards. Highly compartmentalized thinking makes it easy for authoritarian followers to employ double standards in their judgments. One finds many examples of this among the Tea Partiers. The protest started off being about “pork” in the stimulus bill. But there have long been clots of extravagant local spending in the federal budget. Who of the protestors took to the streets when Senator Ted Stevens, a champion pork barrel-er, brought tons and tons of pork home to Alaska year after year, such as Sarah Palin‟s “bridge to nowhere”? Tea Partiers also protested about the federal deficit growing by unprecedented leaps and bounds under Obama. But it grew by unprecedented leaps and bounds during George W. Bush‟s presidency, and demonstrations against that were few and far between. President Bush signed the $300 billion Housing and Economic Recovery Act on July 30, 2008 which gave relief to people who were losing their houses and shored up the government-sponsored Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac agencies. But this set off no epic rants in Chicago or declarations that Bush was a socialist. Tea Partiers have asserted that the Obama administration has too much power and is taking away our Constitutional rights. But they did not cry out when President Bush set up illegal domestic spying operations. And when Tea Partiers claimed today‟s government is riding roughshod over basic human rights, how loudly did they protest the previous government‟s use of torture? And can we not doubt people‟s commitment to democratic freedoms when they shout down speakers at town halls, allowing only their own opinions to be heard? Tea Partiers howled, on cue, when the Senate used the reconciliation process to pass health care reform. How loudly did they howl when the Republicans used reconciliation to pass George W. Bush‟s tax cuts? They thought the Democrats bullied the Senate parliamentarian into giving them the rulings they wanted. Did they recall that this parliamentarian had been hired by a Republican controlled Senate, and that those Republicans had fired the previous parliamentarian because he had ruled against them? The Tea Partiers vilified Nancy Pelosi for the way she “steamrolled” the legislation through the House. Did they ever hear of Tom DeLay, “the meanest man in Congress”? Tea Partiers claimed abuse of process when Obama made “recess appointments” that he could not get through Congress. Do they know how many times George W. Bush did exactly the same thing? It’s pretty clear that many, many Tea Partiers aren’t really against the things they say they’re against. For them, it‟s OK when Republicans do these things. But that is pure hypocrisy, which one finds in abundance among authoritarian followers. And in their leaders, such as the various governors who condemned the stimulus package, said they would refuse such funds, but then accepted them and had their picture taken at project announcements that followed. 9. Feeling empowered when in groups. Authoritarian followers seem to want to disappear as individuals. They‟re not comfortable taking stands on their own, or acting alone. Instead they seem fulfilled simply by being part of a large, powerful movement on the march. Thus the insult-hurling Tea Partiers probably would have been quiet, even deferential, had they met with their member of the House one-on-one last August. But experiments have shown that authoritarian followers are highly conforming. When they are in a group of like-minded persons they are much more likely to do things, especially aggressive things, that they would not do alone. They make a good mob, winding each other up by hearing each other yell. Did you notice how they got louder and louder as the town halls wore on? Being in a crowd of fellow-believers also helps them maintain their opinions through the “GOP echo chamber.” “You say to me, „Obama‟s a tyrant!‟ and then I‟ll tell you „Obama‟s a tyrant!‟ Then we‟ll both be more certain he is. And if we‟re with lots of other people who agree, we‟ll all shout it. And the more we shout it, the more I‟ll believe it.” 10. Dogmatism. We also know that authoritarian followers lead the league in being dogmatic. When their leaders set their opinions for them, those opinions are set in stone. Experiments show that nothing (aside from their authorities) can convince them they are wrong. If overwhelmed by logic and evidence, they simply “castle” into dogmatism. This is probably because they don‟t really know why they believe what they believe. They didn‟t figure it out for themselves; they Xeroxed what their authorities said. Does this apply to Tea Partiers? During the health care debate their authorities said an enormous number of untrue things, and the proponents of reform quickly countered them point by point. For example, Joe Wilson was proved the liar when he famously shouted that Obama was lying about no coverage for illegal immigrants. And opponents endlessly told their followers that federal dollars would now be used to fund abortions, when they would not. Obama called out the Republican House caucus face-to-face in a meeting last January about the lies they had spread, but Tea Partiers probably never heard about it. So the truth was out there in lots of places. But it rolled right past the protestors, who had been inoculated against catching it. Another example of Tea Partiers‟ intransigence in the face of fact was illustrated by a CBS News/New York Times poll reported on February 12, 2010. Democrats have lowered income taxes for almost all Americans, but the poll found that virtually none of the Tea Partiers realized their taxes had gone down. Instead nearly half of them thought their taxes had gone up, a mistake they made more than twice as often as the rest of the sample. They simply believed the rhetoric of their movement more than the information on their own pay slips. 11. Ethnocentrism. Authoritarian followers are notably ethnocentric, constantly judging others and events through “Us versus Them” lenses. They largely choose their friends according to their beliefs. They stick to news outlets that tell them what they want to hear. They live in a polarized world, divided into their in-group, and out-groups consisting of everybody else. They stress in-group loyalty, and try to keep their distance from the out-groups. Tea Partiers certainly display a streak of ethnocentrism. They wrap themselves in the flag so tightly, everybody else is outside it. They have very definite out-groups. And of course one of the reasons that the Tea Partiers were uninfluenced by what was actually in the health care reform proposals is that they relied so much on their untrustworthy trusted sources. This fierce in-group orientation, along with the followers‟ need for external confirmation of their beliefs, explains why Fox News has such a big audience compared with other outlets, why Sarah Palin‟s, Glenn Beck‟s, and Ann Coulter‟s books leap to the top of the best sellers lists, and why “hate radio” is so popular. Authoritarian followers have to get their ideas “validated” by others more than most people do. So they constantly seek out sources of information that will tell them they‟re right. It amounts to in-group in-breeding of the intellect. Research shows that less authoritarian people are more likely to consider different sides of an issue, and figure things out more for themselves. 5 12. Prejudice. Studies have found that authoritarian followers are among the most prejudiced people in society. It is the nastiest aspect of their ethnocentrism, and one they insistently deny—to others and to themselves. And they really do not realize how prejudiced they are, compared with others, because they associate so much with other prejudiced people. So their prejudices seem normal and perfectly justified to them. Racial prejudice appeared at many of the Tea Party demonstrations, in the form of signs, banners, and tee-shirts—just as it did during the 2008 campaign after Sarah Palin energized the social conservatives. Tea Party spokespersons attributed these racist attacks to outsiders, “a few bad apples,” or fringe members of the group. However Carl Paladino, the Republican candidate for governor of New York who was enthusiastically supported by the Tea Party as a “100% conservative,” was discovered on April 12, 2010 to have emailed racist photos (and also a picture of a woman having sex with a horse) to a long list of friends. One doctored photo depicted the president and Michelle Obama as a stereotyped black pimp and prostitute. Another described an African tribal dance as the Obama inauguration rehearsal. A third picture showed an airplane landing behind a group of black men, with the caption, “Holy Shit, run niggers, run!" Paladino quickly disassociated himself from the emails he sent, saying “That activity is not Carl Paladino.” He didn‟t however say who it was instead, but still insisted he is not a racist. You can be pretty sure that the rank-and-file of the Tea Party doesn‟t think he is either. But the point here is, he sent these pictures to so many associates, some influential people in the movement had to know what he thought. And it was apparently all right with them too, for he got a rousing Tea Party endorsement. The vitriol directed at Barack Obama seems unprecedented to many observers. It may be that most Americans now see him as the President of the United States who happens to be African-American. But to many Tea Partiers he is a black man/N-word first, who has no right to be president. Instead, he is a Muslim, a foreigner, a gangster, a fascist, a communist, even the anti-Christ. And they will probably never see him as anything else. ***** You will find the research alluded to in the twelve points above in The Authoritarians. 6 You will also see that the studies discovered less authoritarian people were not nearly as submissive, fearful, self-righteous, etcetera as the authoritarian followers. It‟s not a case of, “Well, you do it too, just as much.” Liberals do show some of these same behaviors—but not nearly as often. So if you have noticed, for example, how hostile today‟s conservative and Republican leaders have been with their inflammatory speeches, cross-haired congressional targets, and threats to turn a shotgun on the census taker, compared to liberals and Democrats, you have noticed something repeatedly borne out by scientific study. Still and all, I was just amazed by the Tea Party protest movement. It seemed as if the demonstrators had read the research findings on authoritarianism and then said, “Let‟s go out and prove that all those things are true.” Whatever else the Tea Party movement has accomplished, it has certainly made the research on authoritarianism look good.
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Wednesday, July 28, 2010 2:22 PM
CHRISISALL
Wednesday, July 28, 2010 3:09 PM
Quote:If you know of any place I can find an equally relevant liberal profile, I'd honestly LOVE to read it. It might increase my self-awareness...someone once gave me a book on astrological signs and I was blown away that Libra had me pegged PERFECTLY! That was years ago and I don't fit the profile anymore, but reading that was a ga. It would have to be something at least relatively scientific, but I really would love to read such a thing. You don't even have to post it, gimme a link and I'll read it...or if you do post it or part of it, maybe we can have a good discussion about THAT side of it. I know you don't like my using RWA, but I'm sorry; I call it like I see it. I don't call all conservatives RWAs or all Republicans or Tea Partiers, but when it fits, yes, I'll use it. You don't have to read anything I post, but I will read what you do.
Quote:Aside from which, if you can EVER get RivKaneZit, Crappy or Wulf to stop generalizing about the left/progs/dems/etc., maybe your request would mean more to me.
Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:12 PM
FREMDFIRMA
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Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Thank you, Mike. Now before I leave this stupid threadjack, how did you get the transcript? Please tell me, I didn't know we could do other than watch the video, and sometimes it would help me look up names, etc., that I hear on the show. Thanx again.
Wednesday, July 28, 2010 6:28 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Wulfenstar: Heh, I do that Nix. But be honest, you got that stuff from maddow, then when I called you on it... you went and got the info from other sources. To be honest I havnt even looked these things up. Its unimportant to me the social agenda of the demolibprogs, setting up and US vs THEM agenda that they do so well and have for so long.
Quote: Rich vs poor Black vs White Hispanic vs White Men vs Women. Its all the same bs, and just serves to... sadly.. divide and conquor. Especially the weak willed and minded.
Quote: But Ive gotten a kick out of catching your BS Nix. You copied Maddow, its opinion, chapter and verse... passed it as your own... then get mad when I call you on it? Come on Nix, we all get tired of arguing, but resorting to taking someone elses work so you dont have to figure things out for yourself?
Quote: You are better than that.
Quote: ETA: its cute the little crew of like minded folks you have gathered.. Kwick, Story. They are so kwick to rush to your side of the Story (heh, see what I did there?).
Quote: Maybe you DID do some research on your own? Good job.
Quote: Just admit you first heard about this from maddow, then (maybe) did your own research on it and Ill quit.
Wednesday, July 28, 2010 7:08 PM
Quote:Who at The High Road and the NRA website did you steal your whole "gun control is about keeping guns out of the hands of black and brown people" spiel from?
Wednesday, July 28, 2010 7:09 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:We all know you got that garbage from Maddow
Quote: My opinions are my own, based on my OWN experience.
Quote: Don't accuse me, or anyone else here, of being mouthpieces for particular newssources/people again.
Thursday, July 29, 2010 1:04 AM
PIRATENEWS
John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!
Quote:When your father is a former U.S. President and your mother is the Secretary of State, having your wedding reception in the local pub isn’t an option. Chelsea Clinton’s big day in a country mansion on Saturday could cost up to £3.2million. No expense will be spared at what will be the American society event of the year, with the equivalent of £6,400 being spent on each of the 500 guests. Bill and Hillary Clinton are also not shy of a dollar - since leaving office as president he has made a fortune from the lecture circuit and she is US Secretary of State, which carries an annual salary of £120,000. Between 2000 and 2007 they earned a reported £70million. http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=44520
Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:01 AM
Quote:But you might be willing to listen to me, and stop generalizing them just because you want to endeavor for the high ground, and it'd be a small step forward.
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