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Thursday, July 29, 2010 8:57 AM
WULFENSTAR
http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg
Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:05 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:27 AM
Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:31 AM
EVILDINOSAUR
Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:33 AM
Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:36 AM
RIVERLOVE
Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:37 AM
RIVERDANCER
Quote:Originally posted by Wulfenstar: The difference between a freedom fighter (rebel, BrownCoat) and "terrorist" is who wins.
Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:38 AM
Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:41 AM
Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:44 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Wulfenstar: Riverlove, Remember.... High ground, high ground.
Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:46 AM
Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:51 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Wulfenstar: WTF? Really? Im trying to point out to you that dropping into the mire does not serve to strengthen your argument.
Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:56 AM
BYTEMITE
Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:09 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Wulfenstar: Of course not, Riverlove. You are right. I don't have the right to lecture you, or lead you, or force you to anything. Didn't mean to give that impression. However, I DO have the right to offer advice. You can do with it what you want. And, for the record... (shitting on me etc)... ever play chess? Sometime you have to give up a bishop to gain the queen.
Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:13 AM
Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:25 AM
Quote:“he circumstances of our country put in our power to evade a pitched battle," Hamilton advised his American compatriots. "It will be better policy to harass and exhaust the soldiery by frequent skirmishes and incursions than to take the open field with them, by which means they would have the full benefit of their superior regularity and skills."
Quote: Why, yes, they certainly were. The "Boston Tea Party" was certainly an illegal act of vandalism, and many British officials were tarred and feathered. Loyalist families were threatened and harassed and their property stolen for use by the revolutionary army. **************** That is essentially what they were. Or they could also have been called "insurgents." **************** And if one wants to consider the Native Americans, I LOVE this one: "I have a tee-shirt that shows American Indians with rifles. It's called, 'The Original Homeland Security'."
Quote:This surge of popular militancy sowed not chaos but a new order in which a unified, countrywide network of so-called "committees of public safety" -- effectively revolutionary cells -- ousted British political appointees and officers, enforced ideological orthodoxy, mobilized militias, and in general set the agenda for the fight that was to come. “It is important to remember that there was a fundamental agreement between the insurgents and the Congress on revolutionary goals. Breen is aware that his use of the word "insurgents" might seem provocative in today's climate. The American revolutionaries were insurgents, and occasionally terrorists and torturers as well. Breen doesn't belabor comparisons with today's insurgencies and rebellions, but of course they are impossible to ignore, and he gently reminds us of the parallels. These days, Breen concludes, "as so many other people throughout the world demand their rights and justice, they challenge modern Americans to remember their own revolutionary origins."
Quote:Had Cornwallis continued to march throughout the southern states, rather than get bottled up and surrender at Yorktown on October 19, 1781, we might be referring to George, Tom, Patrick, and other famous Virginians of that day as rebels (or even as terrorists) rather than as "founding fathers."
Quote:High RWAs typically think they’re way, way better. They are the Holy Ones. They are the Chosen. They are the Righteous. They somehow got a three-for-one special on self-righteousness.
Quote: The United States government has been the subject of accusations of state terrorism by many groups and individuals, including historians, political theorists, government officials, and others. These accusations also include arguments that the US has funded, trained, and harbored individuals or groups who engaged in terrorism.[1][2][3][4] The states in which the U.S. has allegedly conducted or supported terror operations include the Philippines, Cuba, Chile, Guatemala, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Japan, Nicaragua, and Vietnam, along with its historic internal operations against Native Americans.
Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:43 AM
Quote:Guerrilla warfare is irregular warfare, conflicts in which a small group of combatants uses military tactics, like ambushes and raids, to harass a larger and less-mobile traditional army. The term means "little war" in Spanish, and the word, guerrilla, has been used to describe the concept since the 18th century, and perhaps earlier. Guerrilla warfare describes a conflict between armed civilians and a regular army, either foreign or domestic, where the armed civilians (the "irregulars") use tactics such as ambush, sabotage, the element of surprise, and extraordinary mobility to strike a vulnerable target and withdraw almost immediately. An early example of this came when General John Burgoyne, who, during the Saratoga campaign of the American War of Independence, noted that in proceeding through dense woodland:Quote:‘The enemy is infinitely inferior to the King’s Troop in open space, and hardy combat, is well fitted by disposition and practice, for the stratagems of enterprises of Little War...upon the same principle must be a constant rule, in or near woods to place advanced sentries, where they may have a tree or some other defence to prevent their being taken off by a single marksman.'
Quote:‘The enemy is infinitely inferior to the King’s Troop in open space, and hardy combat, is well fitted by disposition and practice, for the stratagems of enterprises of Little War...upon the same principle must be a constant rule, in or near woods to place advanced sentries, where they may have a tree or some other defence to prevent their being taken off by a single marksman.'
Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:54 AM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:59 AM
Quote:But "terrorist" denotes the Little Guy, the one harrassing those in power, not those in power themselves. Despite Webster's short definition, terrorists are the minority which preys upon the majority because their military might is less and terrorism instills fear and makes them seem more powerful, as well as depleting the other side.
Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:04 AM
Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:16 AM
Quote:1. a person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates terrorism. 2. a person who terrorizes or frightens others. 3. a member of a political group aiming at the demoralization of the government by terror.
Quote:Terrorism refers to the use of violence for the purpose of achieving a political, religious, or ideological goal. The targets of terrorist acts can be government officials, military personnel, people serving the interests of governments, or civilians. Acts of terror against military targets tend to blend into a strategy of guerrilla warfare. However, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Random violence against civilians (noncombatants) is the type of action most widely condemned as "terrorism."
Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:26 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Wulfenstar: Kwick, and Niki, illustrate my point about minds who are chained by nothing more than rope. They are broken, believing all that they have been forced to. They eat the "peanuts" tossed to them by the likes of MSN, the NAACP, the Brady Campaign etc.
Quote: If they were ever able to think beyond the box they have voluntarily placed themselves in... they might be able to snap the rope.
Quote: But it takes time, and gentleness to teach.
Quote: It may seem Im too nice.
Quote: But faith, hope... these are more than words to me.
Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:27 AM
ANTHONYT
Freedom is Important because People are Important
Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:30 AM
Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:38 AM
Thursday, July 29, 2010 12:06 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2:Poor baby, you don't even get it, do you? The revlutionaries WERE terrorists...THEY were the ones who began the concept of guerilla tactics, which helped discobobulate the way wars had been done and gave us an edge. Of COURSE they were terrorists; just as you and your "buddies" would be if yuu caused the revolution you so love to threaten. Shees.
Thursday, July 29, 2010 12:33 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by Niki2:Poor baby, you don't even get it, do you? The revlutionaries WERE terrorists...THEY were the ones who began the concept of guerilla tactics, which helped discobobulate the way wars had been done and gave us an edge. Of COURSE they were terrorists; just as you and your "buddies" would be if yuu caused the revolution you so love to threaten. Shees.
Thursday, July 29, 2010 12:35 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Wulfenstar: Actually Nix, the title was meant to convey my thoughts on whom, and how, certain folks would respond. And, you didn't fail to dissapoint. I could have titled it "THIS is PROPOGANDA at its most obvious"... But, why bother? You guys have shown that, proven that. Why do the work, when you can do it for me?
Thursday, July 29, 2010 1:08 PM
Quote: Of course, by YOUR definition, Al Qaeda and the Taliban are now "revolutionaries", not terrorists, since they're now fighting a standing army (ours) that happens to be standing on their land...
Thursday, July 29, 2010 1:45 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote: Of course, by YOUR definition, Al Qaeda and the Taliban are now "revolutionaries", not terrorists, since they're now fighting a standing army (ours) that happens to be standing on their land... Civilian hostages killed by the Taliban would disagree.....as would countless thousands who died or were tortured by your brethren, your "revolutionaries"
Thursday, July 29, 2010 1:46 PM
Thursday, July 29, 2010 1:50 PM
Quote:as would countless thousands who died or were tortured by your brethren, your "revolutionaries"
Thursday, July 29, 2010 1:53 PM
Thursday, July 29, 2010 2:25 PM
MAGONSDAUGHTER
Thursday, July 29, 2010 2:32 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: We don't target civilians. Al Qaeda does.
Thursday, July 29, 2010 2:35 PM
Quote: We do, and we have. Specifically. Dresden is one example. Tokyo, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki are others.
Thursday, July 29, 2010 2:38 PM
Quote:It's been used by many groups throughout history, many of whom since went on to have mainstream political acceptance.
Quote:Revolutions, by their very nature, tend to contain some pretty horrible stuff, because generally that's what happens with armed uprisings.
Thursday, July 29, 2010 2:42 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote: We do, and we have. Specifically. Dresden is one example. Tokyo, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki are others. Better check the map again, brainless. Those cities aren't in Afghanistan.
Quote: Stick to the topic being discussed, moron. I know, it's a tall order to ask, but.... naw.. never mind. You're not up to it. I should have known.
Thursday, July 29, 2010 2:53 PM
Thursday, July 29, 2010 2:56 PM
Quote:Stick to the topic being discussed, moron. I know, it's a tall order to ask, but.... naw.. never mind. You're not up to it. I should have known.
Thursday, July 29, 2010 3:06 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor:
Thursday, July 29, 2010 3:09 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: THAT's your response?! Wow...how erudite of you, how on point, how...oh, wait: Quote:Stick to the topic being discussed, moron. I know, it's a tall order to ask, but.... naw.. never mind. You're not up to it. I should have known.. Right. I haven't watched that video, nor many of the others you or Wulf put up. I assume it's derrogatory, but it's absolutely hysterical that you chose THAT as your response, given your above quote.
Thursday, July 29, 2010 3:30 PM
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