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Are You- Democrat or Republican

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Wednesday, July 14, 2004 3:12 PM

DOUBLETHINK84

just want to try to get a tally. and if you are rooting for another party, say so.

I'm a democrat

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Wednesday, July 14, 2004 3:33 PM

SGTGUMP

I am a Libertarian.

"You're as guilty as a cat in a goldfish bowl." - Lawyer

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Wednesday, July 14, 2004 3:36 PM

CAPNHARBATKIN

Democrat

Now, how's about we get on with this increasingly eerie-ass day

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Wednesday, July 14, 2004 3:42 PM

SOUPCATCHER

I'm not registered with a particular party. I've voted for Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, and Green candidates in previous elections. This year I'll be voting Democrat (at least on the president question).

I shaved off my beard for you, devil woman!

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Wednesday, July 14, 2004 3:51 PM

JCKNIFE

I'm still registered independent but I've been voting pretty straight republican for a few years.

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Wednesday, July 14, 2004 3:54 PM

APEMAN61

I'm not affiliated with any party. I just pick canidates based on thier qualifications and such.

"Rule of thumb? Maybe it should be rule of wrist."

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Wednesday, July 14, 2004 4:01 PM

DESANGRO

Unofficial Republican-- that is, I haven't actually registered with the GOP yet, but I am fairly conservative.

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Wednesday, July 14, 2004 4:49 PM

LOSTINTHEVERSE

Officially, I'm a registered republican (that happened so I could vote in a gubernatorial primary in NJ). Idealogically, I'm closer to conservative Libertarian.

~ Lost In The 'Verse

"About a year before we met, I spent 6 months on a moon where the primary form of recreation was juggling geese. My hand to god. Baby geese. Goslings. They were juggled!"

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Wednesday, July 14, 2004 4:49 PM

LOSTINTHEVERSE

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Wednesday, July 14, 2004 5:05 PM

SERENITYSMECHANIC

I am proud to be an unclassified voter. I believe that the two major party system is one of the many flaws in how the US government works today. I mean, if some "third guy" comes into the race, this year Nader, both the Democrats and Republicans immediately start crying about so and so is messing up the process by taking votes away from my party. Sorry about my mini-rant, I do that a lot.

Another problem is the electoral college system. I know it was an original formation of the country but now it just fails to work. All politicians are in the mindset that only people in certain states are important. The way it works right now, not everyones votes is worth the same amount. The poor people that live in small states like Wyoming or Montana (not picking on ya'll) don't get as much say as the people of New York. I think that the system was set up with the intention of being a kind of proportion system where if Candidate A gets 60% of the vote, Candidate B gets 30%, and Candidate C gets the other 10%, then they get that proportion of the states electoral votes. The way it works now, if I get one more vote than you and the state has 13 electoral votes I get all 13. I think that if this happened, I should get 7, you should get 6.

Okay, if you read through that congrats.
If it didn't make since, sorry, I was typing on the fly.

Don't hate me for my views, no matter how out there they may be.

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Wednesday, July 14, 2004 5:06 PM

TIGER

libertarian

---------------------------------------------
...The beauty of things was born before eyes and sufficient to itself; the heart-breaking beauty
Will remain when there is no heart to break for it.

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Wednesday, July 14, 2004 5:26 PM

RICKKER

I'm one o' them in'ependants. I will vote for the most likely be a strong leader and will work to make this great nation better. Which would be anybody but Bush.

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Wednesday, July 14, 2004 5:43 PM

SHINY

Innepennent. Fiscally conservative, socially liberal. Does that make me a closet libertarian?

"I left my heart in Serenity Valley"

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Wednesday, July 14, 2004 6:14 PM

INSIGHT SPINNER

Independent. Party membership is against my religion. really!

insight spinner
__________

Just an object. It doesn't mean what you think....

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Wednesday, July 14, 2004 7:52 PM

CREVANREAVER

Personally I'm neither a Democrat or a Republican, I'm a registered Independent. Quite frankly I'm a Libertarian-Capitalist who hates most Conservatives and really, really, really hates most

Liberals.

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Thursday, July 15, 2004 12:06 AM

INFRA172

I'm anti-democrat. I vote for republicans and some libertarians.

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Thursday, July 15, 2004 3:26 AM

FREMDFIRMA

I am an anarchist.

Social order is the enemy.

-frem
diefuxdie

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Thursday, July 15, 2004 3:32 AM

PURPLEBELLY

I worry about the drains

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Thursday, July 15, 2004 3:53 AM

HERO

I'm a Browncoat. Small party, but our lobby makes us mighty.

Votin for Bush. I might be willing to vote for a Democrat, but not any I've seen this year. We need health care reform and the Republicans havn't put forth any plan. All the Democrats give us is more bureauacracy wrapped up in hair coloring, soundbites, an ambulance chaser, and the occaisonal crazy scream.

By the way. "W Ketchup", the sweeter, more compassionate conservative ketchup alternative to Heinze, is actually better then Heinze. And the proceeds go to the families of soldiers killed in the war.

< www.wketchup.com>

H

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Friday, July 16, 2004 12:45 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

I don't know if I'm registered as anything, or not. If I am, it happened too long ago for me to remember. Or maybe I got it when I was drunk ... Oh, that's about the tatoo. Nevermind.

In general elections, I vote the way I think.

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Friday, July 16, 2004 1:15 PM

MYSTERION

Well, I've always been a pretty independant voter. Vote for whoever i think will do the best job.

But, if'n I had to declare a party affiliation, it'd have to be Libertarian.

_______________________________________________
Mackey's First Law of Land Warfare: You can NEVER have too much ammunition or toilet paper.

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Friday, July 16, 2004 1:59 PM

PINGJING

Lots of third parties here. I have been voting Republican, but I don't feel comfortable voting for someone who created the Homeland Security bill. I grew up with rabidly anti-Democratic parents, so I have a slight bias when I say I don't like Kerry either. I've always thought like a Libertarian, and I think that's where my vote will be going this November.

Julia

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Friday, July 16, 2004 2:33 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Libertarian here, but I'm not a purist when it comes to party affiliation. I put country above party. In 2000, I voted Libertarian, but will be voting mainly Republican in this election.

I find it a tad curious that there are so many 'liberals' who are also Firefly fans. Why? Well, as I use 'liberal', the definition I generally associate w/ that classification is one who is in favor for big gov't, universal health care,etc... which is pretty much direct contrast to what our fearless leader Captain Tightpants is fighting for..... his individual rights and the freedom to sink or swim on his own terms. Might not sound like much, but for some of us out here, it's enough.

That's what governments are for. Get
in a man's way.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Friday, July 16, 2004 2:38 PM

CHOZSUN

I have been called a Conservative Democrat, at which, there is no room for me in this country. I cannot stand for anything that Republicans stand for so I am then labeled a Democrat.

Just shows how totally ignorant the whole political party system is in this country. As if you can fit a person totally into one hole or the other. The truth of the matter is that Republicans are Square shaped holes, Democrats are Triangle shaped holes and Americans (those with their own will) are Circle shaped pegs slightly bigger then either of the two holes.

I am also against Capitalism but that is for another post.

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Saturday, July 17, 2004 5:59 AM

ELWOODMOM

This thread could lead to some hot debates, be forewarned!

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Saturday, July 17, 2004 7:33 AM

FREMDFIRMA

I'm an Anarchist, and folks wanna debate ?

Ok, fine, I'll play, lemme go get my axe.....

-frem
diefuxdie

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Saturday, July 17, 2004 8:00 AM

SHINY

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Libertarian here, but I'm not a purist when it comes to party affiliation. I put country above party. In 2000, I voted Libertarian, but will be voting mainly Republican in this election.

I find it a tad curious that there are so many 'liberals' who are also Firefly fans. Why? Well, as I use 'liberal', the definition I generally associate w/ that classification is one who is in favor for big gov't, universal health care,etc... which is pretty much direct contrast to what our fearless leader Captain Tightpants is fighting for..... his individual rights and the freedom to sink or swim on his own terms. Might not sound like much, but for some of us out here, it's enough.

That's what governments are for. Get
in a man's way.

Big Government...getting in a man's way...sounds a lot like the Homeland Security and Patriot Acts violation of civil liberties, Detention without court oversight in the name of national security, Marriage Amendment, DMCA enforcement, corporate welfare...sure glad there's a "small goverment, individual/states rights protecting" republican administration in the white house!

"I left my heart in Seren-ity Val-ley..." <-- the farthest I've ever gotten in writing filk. ;)

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Saturday, July 17, 2004 8:18 AM

GWYNETHH

Democrat for Freedom

Are You Asking me to Dance?

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Saturday, July 17, 2004 12:02 PM

CREVANREAVER

Quote:
Originally posted by gwynethh: Democrat for Freedom

How in the hell is forcing citizens to give away most of their income to the government and denying people their second amendment rights related to freedom?

Quote:
Democratic Party - Primarily, a belief in State-Socialism heavily tempered by State-Capitalist beliefs along with some anti-nationalist, anti-religious, and pro-environmental tendencies. They favor control of the government by 2 parties, that way they can have somebody to blame when thing go wrong. Enjoys block votes from gays, teachers, blacks, immigrants, welfare recipients, members of the press, NAACP members, environmentalist, pro-choicers, Union leaders, and people who hate Republicans.

Source: www.newspeakdictionary.com/ns-my.html

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Saturday, July 17, 2004 12:29 PM

GWYNETHH

In fairness
Republican Party - Primarily, a belief in State-Capitalism heavily tempered by Libertarian and free-market beliefs along with some pro-nationalist, pro-religious, and militaristic tendencies. They favor control of the government by 2 parties, that way they can have somebody to blame when things go wrong. Enjoys block votes from Businessmen, Christians, Hunters, KKK, pro-lifers, haters, and people who hate Democrats.

And yes some of my best friends are Libertarians thought they do tend to be a little conpiracy oriented, so they can blame "them" when something goes wrong.

Are You Asking me to Dance?

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Saturday, July 17, 2004 12:34 PM

DOUBLETHINK84

I have to agree with Shiny. when i think of big government, i think of people like the bush administration who stomp on our rights and give tax cuts to the rich.

myself, even as a liberal, if i were to be on serenity, i would have a gun. because it is a totally different circumstance in than in the united states. Here, we dont need guns to protect ourselves day by day. i dont agree with taking away the right to own a gun, but in our society, there are enough screwed up people, that i think people can take the time to go through precautions when they do buy a gun.

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Saturday, July 17, 2004 12:39 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

Quote:
How in the hell is forcing citizens to give away most of their income to the government and denying people their second amendment rights related to freedom?

http://www.taxfoundation.org/ff/factsonCA.html
California’s Corporate Income Tax Rate is ... 8.84%
http://cobrands.business.findlaw.com/business_organizations/choosing/n
olo/ency/BACFCE69-7858-4F6D-ACB8839F3BAC4187.html
Because federal corporate income tax rates on the first $75,000 of corporate income are lower than the federal individual income tax rates on that same amount ...
and Federal corporate rates aren't progressive
http://www.smbiz.com/sbrl001.html#ci
Corporate Income Tax Rates
100,000 - 335,000 39%
335,000 - 10,000,000 34%
10,000,000 - 15,000,000 35%
15,000,000 - 18,333,333 38%
18,333,333 - .......... 35%

In addition, businesses get write-offs and tax shelters so that many pay no income tax at all (al la Enron.) This doesn't count the big tax-giveaway Bush gave to corporations.

Your opinion about government and taxes was bought very cheaply.

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Saturday, July 17, 2004 1:30 PM

DARKJESTER

Democrat, but I have never voted for a straight ticket in an election. I know several Republicans in local and state-level politics who earn my vote every time because they are good people, and because the Democrats who run against them leave something to be desired.

MAL "You only gotta scare him."
JAYNE "Pain is scary..."

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Sunday, July 18, 2004 3:55 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Shiny wrote:
Saturday, July 17, 2004 08:00

Quote:
sure glad there's a "small goverment, individual/states rights protecting" republican administration in the white house!

Never said the GOP was perfect, which kinda points to why I vote Libertarian more often than not. But despite the things you listed, the GOP is a far better choice than the Big Gov't , socialist over in the Dem party. Both have their drawbacks, but one the big scale of intrusion and trying to control one's life, the Democrats far out weigh what the GOP has done.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Sunday, July 18, 2004 6:24 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Registerd Democrat, but occasionally votes Green (not in this election, tho!)

What would all you libertarians/ republicans say if Bush decide to... er.. "delay" the elections?

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Sunday, July 18, 2004 6:45 AM

GRRARGG

I vote straight ticket mutant cow. At least you know what you're really voting for.

Blue Sun used to be Capri Sun back on Earth That Was. Honest. Heard it from a Blue Handed feller.

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Sunday, July 18, 2004 7:49 AM

RECHELON

Anarchist.

Which just means I believe that all power corrupts.

Registered with no party.

Will, on occasion, vote Socialist, Libertarian, and Green. In presidential elections, will vote Democrat. (Yea! Gridlock!) Haven't yet found a Republican I'd feel safe voting for.

http://www.williamgillis.blogspot.com/

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Sunday, July 18, 2004 9:07 AM

CANTTAKESKY

Libertarian. The government is a body of men (and women) who are usually notably ungoverned.

I find the idea of a Brown Party entertaining. What kind of platform would Browncoats support?

Can't Take My Gorram Sky

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Sunday, July 18, 2004 12:21 PM

DRBORIS

Based on the split we've just seen, I don't really see browncoats as a unified political force...

Personally, I think its interesting how many people with Libertarian tendancies enjoy this show. The Firefly verse and our BDH's kinda lead a very Libertarian, close to Anarchaic even, lifestyle, despite the large governmental force of the Aliance.

Random thoughts aside, mainly I'm motivated by the fiscal, and letting me keep my money in the first place seems like a better plan than redistributing it to me later, so I typically vote for Republican, with Libertarian leanings whenever they're helpful in making decisions.

And that was my 2 cents.

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Sunday, July 18, 2004 2:40 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

I think it unlikely that Bush, or anyone, would delay the elections, even if there were multiple attacks like in Spain. But you can see the cluster that could occur if some areas didn't get to vote , and the rest of the country did. How unfair would that be ? Pretty damn unfair. If there is a situation that calls for any delay, don't you think it best to have some sort of framework in place before ? Can't you see the flip side of this issue.... NO plans are made, something happens, and various groups bitch and moan about how incompitent the President is, in this age of terror, to NOT have some sort of back up plan.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Sucks both ways. Welcome to the age of the 21st century lawyer.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Sunday, July 18, 2004 3:47 PM

SHINY

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I think it unlikely that Bush, or anyone, would delay the elections, even if there were multiple attacks like in Spain. But you can see the cluster that could occur if some areas didn't get to vote , and the rest of the country did. How unfair would that be ? Pretty damn unfair. If there is a situation that calls for any dealy, don't you think it best to have some sort of framework in place before ? Can't you see the flip side of this issue.... NO plans are made, something happens, and various groups bitch and moan about how incompitent the President is, in this age of terror, to NOT have some sort of back up plan.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Sucks both ways. Welcome to the age of the 21st century lawyer.

Yes, there should be a backup plan. No, it should not be created in 100% secrecy, with little to no input into the process from the public and/or their elected representatives on both sides of the aisle. Not everything is a national security issue, and hiding too much can often make things worse instead of better because if they roll out a "surprise" new process in the wake of an attack, how are people supposed to feel calm and confident in the rule of law? Certain military and logistical response DETAILS may need to be kept vague, but the general plan should be publicized and DEBATED IN PUBLIC, so there is confidence in the process. This means consensus building, and I would be very pleasantly surprised if those currently running the administration, homeland security department, justice department, CIA, FBI, and other important government agencies will be able to pull it off in an effective, sufficiently transparent, and confidence-building way.

"I left my heart in Seren-ity Val-ley..." <-- the farthest I've ever gotten in writing filk. ;)

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Sunday, July 18, 2004 4:20 PM

CANTTAKESKY

Quote:
Based on the split we've just seen, I don't really see browncoats as a unified political force...

The "real" browncoats, the ones in the Firefly verse, were a unified political/military force. What platform did they support? Limited government? Freedom? Gun rights? Social liberties? Were they libertarian? Anarchist? Could a "Brown Party" of browncoats (Firefly fans) support the same?

Just tossing it out for fun.

Can't Take My Gorram Sky

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Sunday, July 18, 2004 10:25 PM

RANGRBOB

I am a registered independent. I used to vote all over the board. I use to see good points made by both parties, and I would vote on a candidate based upon how close their views on each side of an issue matched mine. Recently I've been disapointed in the republican party. Lately, I haven't seen them practicing many of the values that they have traditionaly believed in. Though I don't think this is true of all republican representatives. I feel it is true of the current administration. This is just an opinion based on what I HAVE SEEN over the last few years so please don't ask me to site and explain. It is just an opinion.

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Monday, July 19, 2004 3:33 AM

SGTGUMP

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Registerd Democrat, but occasionally votes Green (not in this election, tho!)

What would all you libertarians/ republicans say if Bush decide to... er.. "delay" the elections?

As a Libertarian (NOT a Republican) I would be totally opposed to the president even suggesting that we delay our elections. I wouldn't put it past ol' W though. He is supporting an amendment to the Constitution that defines (restricts) marriage.

I think that we, as American citizens, need to ensure that we do not let what happened in Spain, happen in the U.S. Terrorists killed a lot of Spaniards just before their election, and no one can argue that it didn't influence the outcome. That is an example of terrorists winning.

We are, and will remain, vulnerable to terrorist attacks, regardless of who is president. I am going to vote my conscience this election, Hopefully in November.

"I live on the edge." - Mal

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Monday, July 19, 2004 5:34 AM

BIGBLUEFAN

Republican/Conservative (one of the FEW on the boards - this board and the OB)!

Have a Shiny Right-Wing Day!

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Monday, July 19, 2004 6:59 AM

ARAWAEN

I was a Republican for many years until they took over congress and proved that they had in fact been lying about their agenda for years.

Now I am independent and don't plan to vote for another republicrat in my life.

Arawaen

Um, I'm lost. Uh, I'm Angry. And I'm Armed.

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Monday, July 19, 2004 10:13 AM

CONNORFLYNN

Nationalist, Patriot, Conservative leaning , socially liberal and a hatemonger when it comes to those limp wristed terrorist cowards.

If they all want to be martyr's..I say we give them their wish, in the shape of a mushroom cloud.

Time to give the Israeli's a new homeland. I say Florida is a good spot.

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Monday, July 19, 2004 10:30 AM

KNIBBLET

I saw a great bumper sticker last week:
"Vote Republican - It's easier than thinking."

I've always voted a mixed bag. Whoever I trust the most (these days, distrust the least) gets my vote.

I voted Republican in my first three presidential elections ... then I noticed that working class folks kept getting trickled on instead of trickled down. Looking back, Reagan's Alzheimers was kicking in about 3 years into his first term. Bush the Elder received my vote once.

I voted for Clinton twice - even though I thought the wrong Clinton was running.

I voted against Bush the Lesser and will again. I distrust the weasly bastard and all his weasly lying oil baron masters. (Can you say simpleton puppet on a string? I knew you could.)

I will continue to vote for whomever I distrust the least.

"Just keep walkin, preacher man."

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Monday, July 19, 2004 11:58 AM

LTNOWIS

Well, I'm not allowed to vote, being 15, but I usually support the democrats. I'm in favor of social liberties, which I think includes owning a gun. Also, deficits are BAD. They will destroy America. I certainly wouldn't mind paying more taxes. And pollution is certainly bad too. If you've ever voted against a clean-air law, you should see Beijing. It's so smoggy you can't see more than 2 or 3 blocks. But I'm also against affirmative action.

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Tuesday, July 20, 2004 8:03 AM

PLACIDITY

"I will continue to vote for whomever I distrust the least." Quote from above....
I TOTALLY AGREE

to politics
staunch indi.
believe in only the truth
since politics can be defined as:
debating of important social issues, subjugated to lengthy discussions based on biased ideals and propaganda - leading to lies created in not solving the initial problem at hand....

congress

I love the USA - hate political mongers who are ruining the country. Lets just stop sending money outside our borders and pay off the national debt. Just as individuals are held accountable to the debt to income ratio - why isn't the federal government?

chew on that! love you all browncoats!

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Tuesday, July 20, 2004 8:43 AM

HJERMSTED

I hate labels but if we must...

For me, put all of these into the cauldron and mix:

Green
Progressive
Democratic Euro-Socialist
Independent

Obviously, the US's limited one-party-posing-as-two-party system fails me daily.

If Americans ever decide to call it like it is, both parties would put "Big Business" before their respective names (ie, the Big Business Republican party and the Big Business Democratic party). Either that, or one of the two main US parties would have to remove its collective mouth from the corporate teat.

mattro

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