Birthers by AnthonyT

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We, the American People, voted for Barack Obama, and therefore he is indeed the President. There was no super secret "powers" behind it.

Also, of note, it did NOT require the Supreme Court to "sELECT" Obama the President, as happened in 2000. And even then, the SCOTUS knew they were doing the dirty, because they insisted in their own ruling that it not be viewed as any kind of precedent!

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Monday, August 9, 2010 5:23 AM

STORYMARK

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:

Even with all the hippies, and their signs... I've NEVER seen such anger and disdain for a "president".

That would be because you are oblivious to that which does not fit your world view. And because you likely hang out with numb nuts who loved Dubya, and thus insulated yourself.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Monday, August 9, 2010 5:48 AM

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TPTB who put Obama into office are THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. That's right - a majority of AMERICANS.

Em, well. The majority DID vote for Obama, so this wasn't a TPTB Supreme Court ruling or anything, but I don't think TPTB are ever synonymous with the American public, and I didn't mean it in that sense.

When I talk about TPTB putting Obama in office, I'm talking about the media campaigns, the making him look good, the propping him up and all that.

Obama was chosen by higher-ups as one of two main candidates for the presidency. Maybe only people in the DNC, maybe by people behind both the DNC and RNC (which I think is the most likely case, but I can't prove it). In any case, now that he's in office, they're not going to pull him out. We're lucky enough that TPTB are still willing to play by the two term limits rule they came up with, they could just drop all pretenses and appoint czars for life with their own Minipax, Miniplenty, Minitrue and Miniluv organized around them. Frankly I wonder why they haven't yet, and the only reasons I can think of is that either it amuses them to let us think we have any measure of control, or it's the only way to get us to buy in and not turn on them. Maybe both.

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Monday, August 9, 2010 5:58 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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We're lucky enough that TPTB are still willing to play by the two term limits rule they came up with

Uhhh, you do remember when that came up during Dumbya's second term? Maybe they figured we're not ready for it yet, so they backed off and are just waiting...

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Monday, August 9, 2010 6:07 AM

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Uhhh, you do remember when that came up during Dumbya's second term? Maybe they figured we're not ready for it yet, so they backed off and are just waiting...

My memory beyond a month or so tends to be lacking. They were considering abandoning this?

This means they're accelerating. They probably thought one perpetual war in the middle east would be enough to make the public so fear the enemy they created that the public would demand permanent lifelong leadership appointments. At least I can be entertained by how dismayed they were once they realized the approval rating could still fall, but I'm less amused by the realization that if Afghanistan and Iraq couldn't accomplish it, they probably think adding another war with Iran, then Pakistan, then China could.

It goes back to what I said. They don't just want to usurp control, they want to have outsmarted everyone in doing so. And they want the reins just handed over to them, because they feel this was always their entitlement. This was why they wanted to crown Washington.

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Monday, August 9, 2010 6:10 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Again.

If it can be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Obama is ineligable to be Prez... well then things will really "change", won't they?

WULF for President.

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Monday, August 9, 2010 6:12 AM

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well then things will really "change", won't they?

No, they won't, Wulf.

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Monday, August 9, 2010 6:15 AM

Apparently the attention span and memory of the American people, as a collective, are about on par with those of a gnat on crack.

The 2-term limit was a direct response to FDR's four terms. There was absolutely nothing in the Constitution that said anything about term limits; prior to FDR, Presidents had just followed Washington's tradition of bowing out after two terms, but it wasn't mandatory.

So the Republicans finally got some power and managed to pass the 25th Amendment, limiting terms to two full terms for the Prez.

Ironically, since then, there have been only a few Presidents who could have won more than two terms, and they were all Republicans, save one possible exception. Eisenhower and Reagan, and (arguably) Clinton. And they talked about doing it back when Reagan was on his way out (of office, I mean, not out of his mind; he was already way beyond that by 1987).

So in their efforts to make sure no Democrats could ever "seize power" again, they shot themselves in the foot. Once in a while, they'd like a do-over and a chance to change that, but it's much, much, MUCH harder to get an Amendment through these days, compared to even a few short decades ago.

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Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

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Monday, August 9, 2010 6:16 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

I can always "hope" for "change".

Again. Wulf for President.

Heh. Wouldn't that be fun?

Or at least interesting?

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Monday, August 9, 2010 6:19 AM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Again.

If it can be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Obama is ineligable to be Prez... well then things will really "change", won't they?

WULF for President.

How? And how many times do I need to ask? Explain yourself. What would "change"? What do you think would happen? Would everything that's occurred since January 20, 2009 just magically disappear? Would you get a cosmic Mulligan?

By the way, I'd put a bullet in your giant melon-sized head myself before I'd let you be our "dear leader". Just sayin'. (Now, don't go getting your panties in a twist about that; you've advocated just such a solution many, many, many times here. Seems if you're willing to sling bullets around, you should be willing to catch one now and then, too!)

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Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

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Monday, August 9, 2010 6:25 AM

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Apparently the attention span and memory of the American people, as a collective, are about on par with those of a gnat on crack.

About so, yes, and I've always been particularly deficient in this area. Though I knew about the two term limit being a response to FDR, and it's also true about the Federalists wanting to crown Washington.

I wonder what Frem has to say about the Washington/Cincinnatus thing, beyond the whole native american thing that Frem doesn't look too favourably on. The myth is that everyone wanted Washington to be appointed for life, and that Washington himself stepped down after two terms. I suspect the stresses of government were wearing on Washington and he left for health reasons more than anything else.

Of course, Cincinnatus wasn't so great himself; most people don't hear that Cincinnatus was an important statesmen, and the only reason he became a farmer was because he opposed equal rights for the Roman lower class and upper class.

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Monday, August 9, 2010 6:26 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Can I ask why Kwick?

What would drive you to try and kill me if I were President?

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Monday, August 9, 2010 6:48 AM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Can I ask why Kwick?

What would drive you to try and kill me if I were President?

Wulfie, I'm exactly as likely to kill you as you are to kill the current guy in the big office. And my reasons are the same as yours.

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Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

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Monday, August 9, 2010 6:49 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Well now.

We shall see, won't we?

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Monday, August 9, 2010 8:20 AM

I recommend that Wulf hire the same guys who create the advertisements for BRAWNDO and Powerthirst for his campaign.

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Monday, August 9, 2010 8:24 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

"Gather your armies."

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Monday, August 9, 2010 9:04 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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KENNEBUNKPORT, MAINE — Former President George W. Bush called an impromptu press conference today at the Bush family compound in Maine to reveal he’s flirting with the idea of running for an unprecedented third term as President of the United States.

Appearing undeterred by the presidential term limits outlined in the Twenty-Second Amendment of the Constitution, the forty-third president cited “unfinished business with my arch nemesis Osama Bin Laden” as a primary motive to return to office.

Speaking of “personal and American conquests” Bush said, “In this time of war, America needs a strong, resolute Commander in Chief,” and then offered a familiar line, ”I vow to keep America safe from terrorist attacks and smoke out evil-doers who harbor ill will toward our great nation.”

Leaders from both political parties were “aghast” and “taken completely off-guard” by Bush’s sudden announcement. Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele lamented, “I foresee this move rejuvenating our party once the initial shock wears off.” Speaker Nancy Pelosi simply shouted, “Yes!” and pumped her right fist.

When asked how he planned to get around the two-term limit for presidents, Bush said, “I have James Baker, Dick Cheney, and my father finding loopholes in the Constitution that will allow me to return to my rightful spot in the oval office. Barack there is just keepin’ it warm for me.”

Okay, so that's a joke. This wasn't: From the Library of Congress--

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H.J.RES.24 -- Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the 22nd amendment to the Constitution. (Introduced in House - IH)

HJ 24 IH

109th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. J. RES. 24
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the 22nd amendment to the Constitution.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

February 17, 2005
Mr. HOYER (for himself, Mr. BERMAN, Mr. SENSENBRENNER, Mr. SABO, and Mr. PALLONE) introduced the following joint resolution; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

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JOINT RESOLUTION
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the 22nd amendment to the Constitution.

Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled (two-thirds of each House concurring therein), That the following article is proposed as an amendment to the Constitution of the United States, which shall be valid to all intents and purposes as part of the Constitution when ratified by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years after the date of its submission for ratification:

`Article --

`The twenty-second article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is repealed.'.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.J.RES.24.IH:

It died a quick and painless death, but don't kid yourself...

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Monday, August 9, 2010 9:27 AM

SHINYGOODGUY

the 'birther' nonsense is actually Lib Dems who are keeping the phony issue alive,to disparage the Tea Party movement, and distract from the real issues.
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Really!? Reverse psychology? You guys give us way too much credit. That kind of thinking requires actual working brain cells, and I've often heard from you and others that "so-called" Lib-Dems lack in that department.

So.......thank you!? Our diabolical plan worked, but in the end we couldn't pull the wool over your eyes.

Curses, foiled again!

SGG

In the words of our beloved leader, Yosemite Sam:
"I'm a thinking, my head hurts!"

Tawabawho?

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Monday, August 9, 2010 10:30 AM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"Gather your armies."

You know that guy got his ass handed to him in the election, right? Apparently he has no armies. Neither do you.

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Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

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Monday, August 9, 2010 10:32 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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Lib Dems who are keeping the phony issue alive

It's the only possible response to such idiocy.

We don't need to disparage the Tea Party; they do quite well on your own, don'tcha know.

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Aw, Mikey, you took away all my fun...I was gonna remind him of that. Pffft.

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Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Tuesday, August 10, 2010 4:00 AM

MAL4PREZ

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
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TPTB who put Obama into office are THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. That's right - a majority of AMERICANS.

Em, well. The majority DID vote for Obama, so this wasn't a TPTB Supreme Court ruling or anything, but I don't think TPTB are ever synonymous with the American public, and I didn't mean it in that sense.

Ha! I relied to that "TPTB" thing long after I'd read the post, and somehow got myself thinking it was Wulf who'd said it. My apologies! I would have been less scathing if I'd known I was talking to you. (Which is not something I ought to be proud of, hey? I should reply to what people say, and not what I think of them overall. Hmm. I must ponder the error of my ways...)

But I do hold that Obama was not the party's darling to start with. He got support from lots of the little people - and by support I mean money and publicity. Where he's gone with it can be debated, but part of what I find annoying about the Birther movement is their refusal to admit that Obama was in fact chosen by the voters.

Anyway, do you really think the two term limit rule is in danger?

After reading on through the thread: I see this was discussed.

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hmm-burble-blah, blah-blah-blah, take a left

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Tuesday, August 10, 2010 4:43 AM

It's okay, I didn't read your response as scathing. Internet emotions are hard.

Obama got some grassroots support, but when he started to get momentum, he started getting more special interest and corporate money.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/sep/19/john-mc
cain/their-employees-have-donated/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2007/aug/21/Obama-lobb
y/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2010/may/24/bp-liked-o
bama-oil-stained-sarah-palins-hands-too/

TPTB will always make sure anyone who's elected is in their pocket, and if they can't get them in their pocket, they will do whatever they can to discredit them.

Obama might not have been a "darling," so maybe my saying he was "chosen" was a bit too strong, but they made sure he would swing their way when it counted. And they pressured him to take on the Clintons to win over Clinton supporters to get him elected. And the Clintons brought in a lot of people into the administration who were part of the Bush administration.

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Tuesday, August 10, 2010 5:58 AM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
It's okay, I didn't read your response as scathing. Internet emotions are hard.

Obama got some grassroots support, but when he started to get momentum, he started getting more special interest and corporate money.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/sep/19/john-mc
cain/their-employees-have-donated/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2007/aug/21/Obama-lobb
y/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2010/may/24/bp-liked-o
bama-oil-stained-sarah-palins-hands-too/

TPTB will always make sure anyone who's elected is in their pocket, and if they can't get them in their pocket, they will do whatever they can to discredit them.

Obama might not have been a "darling," so maybe my saying he was "chosen" was a bit too strong, but they made sure he would swing their way when it counted. And they pressured him to take on the Clintons to win over Clinton supporters to get him elected. And the Clintons brought in a lot of people into the administration who were part of the Bush administration.

But Byte, TPTB make sure that anyone elected is in their pocket by giving to EVERYONE in the race. People whinge about how "Obama got more BP money than McCain", but they conveniently forget to mention that McCain did indeed get BP money. If Obama got more, it's because every mathematical model said he was the better bet, since he was far more likely to win. Polls are always biased, so you have to go more with the math, like 538.com. If the math says there's a 78% likelihood that Candidate A is going to win, 78% of the money goes to that candidate, and 22% to the rest. That way you're covered, no matter who wins!

Also, bringing Clintonistas into the inner circle in the weeks leading up to the nomination is a savvy political move because it's a nod to your same-party opponents that you're willing to work with them, so it's safe for them to support you. And this kind of move is seen as just such a thing among the followers of one candidate when the other picks up some of their people - it's seen as an unofficial endorsement.

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Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

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Tuesday, August 10, 2010 6:22 AM

Yeah, but it's still TPTB trying to control the outcome however they can. And they are in control.

The Clintons were a savvy political nod, but also a way to insure what the Bush administrations started would finish. The Clintons are now pretty close with the Bushes, and they know a lot of the same people, which is why I said what I said. The people they know influence policy decisions and their worldviews, that is if they're not out and out being managed by someone with an agenda.

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Tuesday, August 10, 2010 7:28 AM

SHINYGOODGUY

quote: Kwicko
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If the math says there's a 78% likelihood that Candidate A is going to win, 78% of the money goes to that candidate, and 22% to the rest. That way you're covered, no matter who wins!
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Ding! Ding! Ding! Give that man a Cee-gar!

It is better known as Corporate Math (same guys who, along with Cheney and company, came up with the Charity Handout - otherwise known as the Bailout - and the S&L bailout - wasn't McCain mixed up in that one).

The slight of hand is remarkable. The large corps "hedge" their bets and stack the deck (I knew one day my Vegas vocabulary class would come in handy). Once Obama began to pull away from the mangled bodies of Hilary and Ma' Palin, it was full speed ahead.

This "birther" hiccup is nothing more than smoke and mirrors folks. Vegas isn't the only place where you find slight of hand. Hilary may have started it, but desparate people (Hil could almost taste the White House she was so.....close?) do wacky things in the heat of battle.

To the winner go the spoils. I don't know where that quote is from, but its so true.

It seems to me I recall when, after the 2000 Elections, the Bush-whackers (I just thought of that, just this minute. I'm proud of me ;-)
were making all kinds of noise and telling anyone who bitched about him stealing the election to get over it. 'He's president, ain't shit you can do about it.'

Well, here we are - turnabout is fair play.

BTW the birthers movement came before the Tea Party movement; so no Rappy the Lib-Dems did not come up with the idea to muddy the Tea Party waters (because they didn't exist yet, the Tea Party that is).

I'm sleepy, just got home from work. See you guys later.

SGG

Tawabawho?

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Tuesday, August 10, 2010 7:44 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Valid point, Shiny...but the righties will come back with "Obama inherited Bush's problems; get over it".

They will never admit to a corollary in any form. Remember, they're convinced Dumbya DID win the election fair and square, so their telling others to get over it is valid, whereas Obama ISN'T an American, so again, THEIR point in pursuing it is valid.

Wait and see...

(and no, I haven't gotten over it. Nothing can be done, obviously, but hey, if it were proven that Dumbya DIDN'T win the election, by their reasoning, does that mean everything that happened the last four years gets to be undone? That's what they want done with Obama... Gawd, don'tcha WISH?!?!)

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Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Tuesday, August 10, 2010 8:09 AM