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I believe there is a cost to society when we tolerate things that are destructive be it religious tolerance, tolerance of life style, tolerance to what is broadcast on our airwaves, tolerance to governmental intrusion.

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What is noble about tolerating the intolerable. When children misbehave we don't tolerate it we correct them.

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Originally posted by Niki2:
What KPO and Mike said. Your complaint was about

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religious tolerance, tolerance of life style, tolerance to what is broadcast on our airwaves, tolerance to governmental intrusion

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Why you think those things should not be tolerated is, I assume, because YOU don't tolerate them. What about the rest of the people in this country? That's what you don't seem to grasp, is that it's not just what YOU think should be tolerated. I, for example, have no problem with any of those things, so why should YOU decide what I can tolerate?

As KPO said, it's not about tolerance if what we're asked to tolerate is uncomfortable to US alone. Which religion has the right to "tolerate" another, and what are we supposed to do to NOT tolerate them? Make them illegal?

Which life style, broadcast, governmental intrusion should not be tolerated, and who decides that, and what do we do about NOT tolerating them? Make life styles different from yours illegal? Make TV stations or what's said on the airwaves that make YOU uncomfortable should we all be denied? Government intrusion includes the ending of slavery, the Civil Rights Act...do we do away with those because YOU don't believe in governmental intrusion?

Do you start to see the problem? It's about who makes the decisions on what's tolerable and what's not, it's not about how each of us individually FEELS.

And lastly, have you lived in San Francisco? If you haven't, how do you make the determination that our tolerance has "cost" us, made us "Mars"? I guarantee the city just below where I live isn't Mars, I worked there most of my adult life and I can say that those of us in the Bay Area are by far proud of our tolerance, it has made for a very varied, interesting place and I wouldn't have it otherwise...especially as the kind of intolerance you want would be horrible to me and everyone I know.

So I reject your position and I might add that I think you're a rather intolerant person, and the cost to you is far heavier than you realize or than you believe the cost of tolerance is to the rest of us.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Originally posted by kaneman:
I notice that the left uses tolerance as if it is a noble trait. What is noble about tolerating the intolerable. When children misbehave we don't tolerate it we correct them. When an employee is doing wrong we don't tolerate it. Why should one tolerate the acts of others if that person has conviction against said act? What is there to gain and at what cost? Seems a waste of time and a way to get bowled over.

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Originally posted by kaneman:
I notice that the left uses tolerance as if it is a noble trait. What is noble about tolerating the intolerable. When children misbehave we don't tolerate it we correct them. When an employee is doing wrong we don't tolerate it. Why should one tolerate the acts of others if that person has conviction against said act? What is there to gain and at what cost? Seems a waste of time and a way to get bowled over.

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Originally posted by kpo:
HK we don't always agree 100% but I like your style. Your posts are quite a rare exception in that I see them and say "Oh good a long one". Length of posts doesn't usually excite me.

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
If you feel threatened by someone, you're not in a position to tolerate them.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

That very tolerance you decry so much is the reason folks like you are still suckin air instead of lying in a ditch with their throat slit by someone like me.

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Originally posted by kaneman:
Why should one tolerate the acts of others if that person has conviction against said act?

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Originally posted by mincingbeast:
I too disagree that tolerance is weakness masquerading as a virtue; it is actually masochism masquerading as a virtue. Why do people fetishize their ability to put up with things they do not like? Because they are perverts, obviously.

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Originally posted by mincingbeast:
Don't tolerate your neighbor beating his children to death on his front lawn...regardless of the time of day.

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But what if the beating is an expression of a rich and storied culture, and rooted in traditional practices? Can I tolerate it then?

Tolerance is no virtue, but rather a vice, roughly on par with crack hunger or gambling.

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Don't tolerate your neighbor beating his children to death on his front lawn...regardless of the time of day.

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But what if the beating is an expression of a rich and storied culture, and rooted in traditional practices? Can I tolerate it then?

Tolerance is no virtue, but rather a vice, roughly on par with crack hunger or gambling.

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It is all a matter of degree. I choose to tolerate nothing. Not at home, not at work, not in politics, and never here. I believe that the world revolves around me. Yes I am Kaneman-centric. I have become even more Kaneman-centric since i huffed Minces waste recipe.....I love you for that, it has changed my life. I did add dead gold fish to the mix.....

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In the book Children of AIDS: Africa's Orphan Crisis by Emma Guest, the making of Jenkem is described: "fermented human sewage, scraped from pipes and stored in plastic bags for a week or so, until it gives off numbing, intoxicating fumes." [7] The process is similarly described in the 1995 IPS report: "Human excreta is scooped up from the edges of the sewer ponds in old cans and containers which are covered with a polyethylene bag and left to stew or ferment for a week."[2]. The 1999 BBC article refers to "the dark brown sludge, gathering up fistfuls and stuffing it into small plastic bottles. They tap the bottles on the ground, taking care to leave enough room for methane to form at the top."[1]

The general concerns related to "huffing" and hallucinogenic drugs apply to Jenkem usage. The possibility of fecal-oral contamination due to unhygienic conditions during Jenkem manufacturing, which could lead to diarrhea and other gastrointestinal infections, must also be considered. Dr. Fumito Ichinose, an anesthesia specialist in Boston who conducted a study on the effects of hydrogen sulfide gas, or "sewer gas," on mice, informed Salon.com that "the inhalation of gases like those produced from Jenkem could result in hypoxia, a lack of oxygen flow to the body that could be alternately euphoric and physically dangerous."[3]

The effects of Jenkem inhalation last for around an hour and consist of auditory and visual hallucinations.[1] In 1995, a fifth-grader in Lusaka said of Jenkem to a reporter from IPS, an independent wire service, "Old man, this is more potent than cannabis."[2] In a BBC report four years later, 16-year-old Luke Mpande stated his preference for Jenkem over other inhalants, "With glue, I just hear voices in my head. But with Jenkem, I see visions. I see my mother who is dead and I forget about the problems in my life." Many young teens highly prefer the use of jenkem over other forms of drugs. The simplicity of making it is a factor along with the effects it has on one's brain...

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Originally posted by kaneman:
When children misbehave we don't tolerate it we correct them. When an employee is doing wrong we don't tolerate it. Why should one tolerate the acts of others if that person has conviction against said act? What is there to gain and at what cost?

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Originally posted by kaneman:
When children misbehave we don't tolerate it we correct them. When an employee is doing wrong we don't tolerate it. Why should one tolerate the acts of others if that person has conviction against said act? What is there to gain and at what cost?

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Unless you're their daddy or their boss, you have no place correcting anyone.

Unless you too are willing to be "corrected" by others who see your behavior as unacceptable.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
This is the third or fourth time I have seen this thread topic since 2005.

De ja vomit...

Ya know, Niki, some things broke can't be fixed!

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Originally posted by Niki2:
WishIMay, yes, I know, sadly. But I speak my peace anyway, and perhaps it helps some people understand the facts; I have no expectation whatsoever of those with already-firmly-closed minds being able to even grasp the facts, much less accept them. I just put them out there. Doesn't take much time, is an education for me in itself, and may or may not be appreciated by others. I enjoy searching out facts, so it gives me enjoyment, satisfaction and education. That makes it worth it,

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