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Wednesday, September 8, 2010 12:32 PM

NIKI2

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The imam at the center of an ugly controversy over an Islamic center near New York's ground zero broke his silence Tuesday, just hours after a broad coalition of Christian, Jewish and Islamic leaders denounced what they described as a rising tide of anti-Muslim bigotry across the United States.

"I have been struck by how the controversy has riveted the attention of Americans, as well as nearly everyone I met in my travels," said Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf in an editorial published online by The New York Times Tuesday night.

"We have all been awed by how inflamed and emotional the issue of the proposed community center has become," wrote Rauf, who has just returned from a State Department-sponsored Middle East trip to promote U.S.-Muslim relations.

"The level of attention reflects the degree to which people care about the very American values under debate: recognition of the rights of others, tolerance and freedom of worship."

The imam was clear about his intentions.

"We are proceeding with the community center, Cordoba House. More important, we are doing so with the support of the downtown community, government at all levels and leaders from across the religious spectrum, who will be our partners. I am convinced that it is the right thing to do for many reasons," he wrote.

Opponents of the plan to build the center say it is too close to the site of the terror attacks and is an affront to the memory of those who died in the al Qaeda strike. Backers cite, among other things, First Amendment rights and the need to express religious tolerance.

Rauf described the center to be built two blocks from the former site of the World Trade Center towers -- destroyed by terrorist-hijacked commercial jets on September 11, 2001 -- as a "shared space for community activities, like a swimming pool, classrooms and a play space for children."

"There will be separate prayer spaces for Muslims, Christians, Jews and men and women of other faiths," he wrote. "The center will also include a multifaith memorial dedicated to victims of the Sept. 11 attacks."

"I am very sensitive to the feelings of the families of victims of 9/11, as are my fellow leaders of many faiths. We will accordingly seek the support of those families, and the support of our vibrant neighborhood, as we consider the ultimate plans for the community center. Our objective has always been to make this a center for unification and healing."

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg spoke on Tuesday about the plan and criticized politicians he claims are using the issue for political gain ahead of midterm elections in November.

"This is a political thing that all came up in two months -- and it's going to go away on November 4th," he said.

Various faith leaders in recent weeks have expressed concerns about hate crimes against American Muslims in the run-up to this weekend's anniversary of the September 11, 2001, terror attacks, which coincide with the holiday of Eid-al-Fitr, marking the conclusion of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.

Worry over what some observers have termed "Islamophobia" has also been heightened by a Gainesville, Florida, church's plan to burn copies of the Quran on Saturday, the ninth anniversary of the attacks on New York and Washington.

"Freedom of religion is a hallmark of this country," said Ingrid Mattson, head of the Islamic Society of North America. It is time to decide "whether we are going to live up to our values."

The coalition released a statement decrying a "disturbing rise in discrimination against Muslims" and declaring that the current "level of hostility, fear mongering and hate speech is unacceptable and un-American."

"We believe the best way to uphold America's democratic values is to ensure that Muslims can exercise the same religious freedom enjoyed by everyone in America," the statement read.

Last week, the Council on American-Islamic Relations launched a series of commercials designed to fight what it called growing Islamophobia. One in the series features a Muslim firefighter who was among the first responders on 9/11.

Opponents of the New York Islamic center are "trying to tell the world and tell Americans that Muslims do not belong here. That Muslims are the others, when we are in fact, all Americans," said Nahad Awad, executive director of the council.

"They're trying to portray Muslims as foreigners. This is a dangerous repeat of history. If it's allowed, it's going to hurt all of us," he said.

"Those mainly conservative Christians who respond to their Muslim brothers and sisters -- their fellow Americans -- with anti-Muslim bigotry or hatred, they are openly rejecting... the First Amendment principles of religious liberty which we as evangelical Christians benefit daily," said Rev. Richard Cizik, of the New Evangelical Partnership for the Common Good, at the National Press Club.

"And to those who would exercise derision ... bigotry (and) open rejection of our fellow Americans for their religious faith -- I say shame on you."

I agree; shame on them, and those of you here who agree with them.


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Wednesday, September 8, 2010 12:50 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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"We are proceeding with the community center, Cordoba House.


So, it's back to Cordoba House, is it, and not Park51 anymore ?

Or did he let that one slip? Probably focusing too much on the ' community centre ' lie, so intent on making sure he got that part down.


Hell, any ad agency or PR firm worth its salt could come up w/ a compromise..

Why not call it the Victory Centre ?

Because that's what it truly is. All Muslims know this. Everyone else does to, but some refuse to admit the truth.




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Wednesday, September 8, 2010 12:58 PM

WHOZIT


Ah Hell! Even MSNBC has stopped calling it that!




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Wednesday, September 8, 2010 1:17 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

Fear, Anger, Hate.

Some people are ruled by their emotions. What a surprise to learn that those people would be U.S.

--Anthony

Due to the use of Naomi 3.3.2 Beta web filtering, the following people may need to private-message me if they wish to contact me: Auraptor, Kaneman, Piratenews. I apologize for the inconvenience.

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Wednesday, September 8, 2010 1:18 PM

HKCAVALIER


You guys and your freakin' names. And this b.s. "all Muslims know." There are in excess of 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. And every last one of them cheers the 9/11 attacks as some kind of a victory? A victory for whom? Halliburton? Every last Muslim on the planet is your enemy? The 18th Century called, they want their colonial paranoia back. Jeez, all I can say is: sure sucks to be you.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Wednesday, September 8, 2010 2:32 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Hey, if it's a celebration of Osama bin Laden and his victory over the U.S., you've got nobody but yourselves to blame for handing him that victory.

We were told that "they hate us for our freedoms" - so we obligingly started systematically dismantling those freedoms in order to comply with them. They told us that they would suck us into a wider war throughout the mid-east, so we obligingly jumped right in and started treasury-draining wars which led directly to the collapse of our economy and our "empire".

If everything you claim is true, Rappy, then they have very good reasons for celebrating their victory and our defeat.

What I want to know is, why were you so happy to hand them that victory in the first place?

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Wednesday, September 8, 2010 3:49 PM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

Fear, Anger, Hate.

Some people are ruled by their emotions. What a surprise to learn that those people would be U.S.

--Anthony



It's none of those, when all we're doing is acknowledging the truth of things. Why does it scare you to call evil for what it truly is ?

I very much think that Neville Chamberlin spoke in terms as you , and tried to wave his hand at any such concepts that Hitler and the NAZIS were " evil ". Pish posh! Don't give in to such rubbish, eh ?

For it is the doom of men that they forget. - Merlin.




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Wednesday, September 8, 2010 3:52 PM

AURAPTOR

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It's funny, Kwickie, that you think this war started on 9/11.

It's funny that you forget the Kobar Towers, the USS Cole, the '93 WTC bombing, Embassies in E.Africa....

It's funny that you think that fighting back in any way makes us LESS safe.

No, wait... funny isn't what I'm thinking of....

It's just sad.






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Thursday, September 9, 2010 2:36 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
It's funny, Kwickie, that you think this war started on 9/11.

It's funny that you forget the Kobar Towers, the USS Cole, the '93 WTC bombing, Embassies in E.Africa....

It's funny that you think that fighting back in any way makes us LESS safe.

No, wait... funny isn't what I'm thinking of....

It's just sad.









It would be amusing if he thought the war started on 9/11, however he is not THAT dumb and only uses that to try to make a lame piont(blatantly obvious to anyone that reads his drivel)...I mean come on man, you are talking about a guy that will change words in a post to make a piont...Why do you bother with that clown.

Aur...I do have funny for ya...Go read the liberals debating the tea party and the founding fathers amungst themselves in..."is the tea party religious" thread...hilarious

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Thursday, September 9, 2010 10:46 AM

NIKI2

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Oh, Raptor, that is TRULY pathetic! That whole long article, and all you can do is come up with some barking idiocy about the name??? It’s no lie, it IS a COMMUNITY CENTER, we’ve been through all that before, so feel free to cling to your hatred and blindness, but man, you make yourself look foolish!

As to rejecting that it’s fear, anger and hate, you contradict yourself. All one has to do is read your posts to see that all three are present in spades...the fact that those of us who are rational talk about the rights our Constitution give all of us, that we should respect other faiths and not see “all Muslims” as the enemy, and the wrongness of blaming 1/5th of the world’s population as terrorists, represent none of those three things.

There is no “truth of thing” in your prattle; the COMMUNITY CENTER was approved by New York six months ago (and counting) and neither you nor anybody else gave a flying fuck about it until it was branded with Geller’s particular form of hate, and the right stoked that fear (“It’ll be a meeting place for terrorists!”), anger (“Muslims bombed us on 9/11, so have no right to build something which would benefit the community near Ground Zero") and hate (“All Muslims know...) took over. Prior to that, it was an innocent, worthwhile project applauded and looked forward to by many.

I’m happy to call evil what it is: Terrorism is evil. Radical fanatics are often evil. Giving in to fear, anger and hate is evil. Racism, denial of rights enshrined in the Constitution, overblown rhetoric that flames the fires of hate are evil.

Ahhh, the “changed words” thing is back. I knew it would be; when one has no valid point to make, it’s always best to fall back on something irrelevant and immaterial.

Hee, hee, hee...pardon my giggle Cav, but I feel exactly the same. Must be hard to live, desperately hugging all that hatred and believing all the propaganda, mustn’t it?


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Thursday, September 9, 2010 11:25 AM

NIKI2

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Oh, that's funny. Given a large part of that thread was devoted, by you, to arguing the phrase "Tea Bagger", and there was no "argument" between us "libs". We “discussed” religion in a couple of posts, but your efforts to make it into an “argument” are pathetic.

Anthony:
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I do not feel that the Tea Party is a religious movement, but I do feel they are susceptible to having their agenda derailed.
Mike:
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The tea party is a religious movement to the same degree as any political ideology is.
Frem:
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I heard a right good quote at a local politician who's kind of overreligious this morning when he started using religious talk as a responsibility-dodge, the ole if-god-wills-it craploa.

"Hey, god didn't run for this office, YOU did!"

If I wanted some diety in charge I'd fuckin vote for em, yanno ?

Hero was the only person who claimed that the Founding Fathers thought religion SHOULD be part of our government, which was easily refuted.

A few cogent remarks by you, and
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you can try to label the tea party as religious if you'd like, i'll be laughing at you for being pathetic
So obviously what you consider “libs” all agreed that there is religiosity at work in the Tea Party movement, if nothing else. Ergo, from your remarks, YOU are the only person who disagreed that the Tea Party has religious aspects to it.

Your attempt to call it a “debate” among “libs” is weird. I don’t even know why you tried that tactic, except you have nothing to say. Shouldn’t have bothered, in that case. Better than looking like a fool claiming something is which isn't. You should have stuck with "Fuck off", that we would expect, and is more you.

(by the way, it's "amongst", not "amungst", and in that context, should have been "among". Don't try to sound erudite unless you know what you're doing)


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Thursday, September 9, 2010 11:36 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Niki - that the mosque was approved by the pin headed community 'leaders', and yet is overwhelmingly unpopular in NYC, as it is across the nation, only goes to prove that those 'leaders' aren't listening to the people.


The community there does not want it, so it will not be of any benefit TO that community.

Placating religious terrorists by being nice and trying to prove to them that we're tolerant to their views isn't going to work here. Imam Rauf's disastrous interview w/ Solodad O'Brien is clear evidence of that fact. His threats and intimidation tactics, as well as his lies, are pulling the prayer rug out from under him far better than any Quran burning down in FL ever could .





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Thursday, September 9, 2010 11:45 AM

NIKI2

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That the COMMUNITY CENTER was approved by a 29-1 vote of the community leaders in a PUBLIC meeting where the public could make itself heard and object shows only that it was approved and nobody was bothered enough to go to the press, make a stink, protest, damage actual mosques around the nation, commit violence against Muslims, keep mosques from being built, or make inflammatory anti-Islamic statements.

If people disagreed with them, they're free to vote them out of office. That's how our government works. Nonetheless, back then (and even before, in December), NOBODY but Geller cared about it. Now EVERYBODY has an opinion, but the fact that none of this erupted prior to Geller's hateful rhetoric tells the whole tale, period.

IF America lets it be built, and IF there isn't violence against it, you watch; in a couple of years the community will be using it. The facilities are impressive and an awful lot of people won't care any more about the ridiculous claims, while they WILL find use for the facilities provided.

Nobody's "placating" anybody; we want to abide by the Constitution and uphold the rights of all Americans to do what they wish with property they have bought and BEEN APPROVED to build upon it by those put in charge of such things.

We're not trying to prove anything to anyone; we're wishing the American people would prove to US that they stand by our laws and morals. Sadly, now that it's a political hot potato, I doubt they will. Which is our country's loss, and nobody else's.

Obviously you believe that the Constitution should only be adhered to when it's something that doesn't bother YOU...which makes you a poor American, nothing else.


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Thursday, September 9, 2010 12:06 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Build the mosque, but not there.

There, everyone should be happy. Hell, I'll even donate $ if they move it.

It's about building bridges and such. Right ?



No one's rights are being infringed if they build it somewhere else. There's no bigotry or intolerance going on here, at all. They're free to build and worship, as they please. Just not at Ground Zero.

Doesn't seem too much to ask for, because it isn't.




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Thursday, September 9, 2010 1:28 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Niki - that the mosque was approved by the pin headed community 'leaders', and yet is overwhelmingly unpopular in NYC, as it is across the nation, only goes to prove that those 'leaders' aren't listening to the people.


The community there does not want it, so it will not be of any benefit TO that community.



Actually, the community there DOES want it, and even FauxNews and its pundits (including GlenBeck) called it a good idea.

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Placating religious terrorists by being nice and trying to prove to them that we're tolerant to their views isn't going to work here. Imam Rauf's disastrous interview w/ Solodad O'Brien is clear evidence of that fact. His threats and intimidation tactics, as well as his lies, are pulling the prayer rug out from under him far better than any Quran burning down in FL ever could .




So you're now claiming that all Muslims are religious terrorists?

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Thursday, September 9, 2010 1:32 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
No one's rights are being infringed if they build it somewhere else. There's no bigotry or intolerance going on here, at all. They're free to build and worship, as they please. Just not at Ground Zero.



That's bigotry and intolerance, right there. "Build it somewhere else." "It's a mosque! It can't be near Ground Zero!"

So let me ask you: Whose rights are being infringed if they build it on the property they already bought? Whose rights are infringed if they build it where it was already approved to be built? Who here has a "right" not to be offended or have their feelings hurt?

And why AREN'T they free to worship at ground zero? Who made you the boss of free worship?


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Thursday, September 9, 2010 1:47 PM

NIKI2

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FORCING them to build it elsewhere, when they OWN the property, is unquestionably infringing on their property rights! How can you think otherwise?

You can certainly disagree with it, but nobody has any right to FORCE them to build it elsewhere.

Still waiting to see what LEGALLY GIVEN RIGHTS are infringed upon by them building this community center...


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