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Three people...

POSTED BY: NIKI2
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Saturday, September 25, 2010 9:36 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

...have now been driven to either leave here or be here less, specifically because of the ugliness. It's a shame the few REASONABLE, intelligent people who post with civility get driven off, making the percentage of trolls higher and higher. Given the trolls have little to say but come here to spew and abuse people, it certainly lessens the appeal. I'm sure they'd be happiest if they cowed everyone else into leaving...which, by the way, is the case on another FFF forum I can think of. I assume the forum will survive, but it's a more unpleasant place when the vicious assholes are here.

It's a damned good thing there are a few good people left; I really appreciate you. Many more leave, tho' the trolls will get their wish, and have the place to themselves. They will probably find that terribly boring and THEY'll go away too.

JMHO on a day when I'm seeing this place rather negatively at the moment.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Saturday, September 25, 2010 9:38 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

One of the things I wish this site had, which many others do, is a list of "who's on". If I could see that, I'd stay away when I know there's no communication possible, only jerks looking for a place to hurl (and I do mean the colloquial term) their spittle.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Saturday, September 25, 2010 9:59 AM

FREMDFIRMA

And deprive them of the ability to howl spittle-dripping obscenities and throw verbal feces over the net, cause it's really the only social interaction they have left cause their personalities are so vile ?

Now now, let's not be cruel here...

Just kidding, but yeah, I figure when V2.0 rolls out most of that crap will wither and die off anyhow.

-F

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Saturday, September 25, 2010 11:44 AM

KANEMAN

Stop your whining. No one cares about your opinion on anything. It is especially undeserving of a thread.....Just relax and go get on that soon to be fireball of a plane...

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Saturday, September 25, 2010 12:00 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Just to prove Frem right, here he comes, right on cue, to spout his filth. You didn't need post that you don't care about my opinion, I already knew that...and you speak for only yourself, and perhaps your fellow (expletive deleted)s.

Remember this next time one of us is accused of taking pleasure in another's suffering, it's a good lesson.

Play with yourself, little man, I'm outta here for greener pastures!

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Saturday, September 25, 2010 12:43 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.

Why anyone comes to a site devoted to a great TV show to debate politics is beyond me, especially considering how polarizing almost any opinion can be. No one has ever been persuaded to change their mind based on what some anonymous person has posted on an internet message board.

Please, all of you, get out of here and leave this site to those of us who want to discuss Firefly, Serenity and other great SF/F shows and related topics.

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Saturday, September 25, 2010 1:16 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:

It's a damned good thing there are a few good people left; I really appreciate you.

Kind words, Niki.

I really do appreciate them.

Thanks.

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."

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Sunday, September 26, 2010 4:52 AM

KANEMAN

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:

It's a damned good thing there are a few good people left; I really appreciate you.

Kind words, Niki.

I really do appreciate them.

Thanks.

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."

She had it right.

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Sunday, September 26, 2010 1:31 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Three?

Signy.
Rue.
DreamTrove.

What about Wulfie? He's been a ghost lately.

I haven't been around near as much, but that's mostly health-related (in that I'm spending many more hours a week on the bike, in the interests of getting healthier).

The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.

AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, September 24, 2010
I hate Obama's America. You're damn right about that.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

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Monday, September 27, 2010 5:08 AM

BYTEMITE

I'm mostly gone. I still watch. PN had some posts with cute field mice pictures and also posted something about (maybe?) having gulf war syndrome dreams, and I was compelled to reply.

Kaneman is not the reason I've made myself scarce. It's actually hard to pin down the source of the vitriol that gets dumped on me, but three of them I suspect are all one person.

Anyway, I don't care to defend myself against attacks when I don't have any idea where they're coming from. It's futile, and pointless, and this is just the goddamn internet, and I'm going to go live my life and not let it bother me. I've got enough stress driving me batshit insane and near suicidal as it is. They can continue posting, whatever. Like I said, I'm pretty much done here.

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Monday, September 27, 2010 6:25 AM

MINCINGBEAST

I hereby officially withdraw from this forum, forever.

You'll not have this beast to kick around any more.

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Monday, September 27, 2010 7:40 AM

BYTEMITE

There's some people who kaneman probably has chased off, and I'm sure kaneman will take great pride in chasing off such weak-hearted overly sensitive people. Unfortunately, blaming kaneman doesn't really encompass the problem. I admit perhaps I'm one of the weak-hearted overly sensitive people Niki was referring to, above, but it's incorrect to boil the problem down to this poster or that poster. It is much more complicated than that.

And I definitely don't agree with the ban/silence opinions expressed in this thread... In fact, this may even be PART of the problem.

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Monday, September 27, 2010 10:33 AM

KLESST

I would make a dramatic departure myself if I wasn't already a sockpuppets sockpuppet. It's just to much of a hassle to create a new identity every few months. Some how I doubt we've seen the last of Niki, but we can hope.

I would miss the Beast though, he's the first inteligent new sockpuppet to wander into RWED in a long time now.

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Monday, September 27, 2010 10:58 AM

STORYMARK

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

What about Wulfie? He's been a ghost lately.

I think he left because there wasn't enough anger and guns. Or youtube clips in lieu of words.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Monday, September 27, 2010 2:59 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Oh, I'm still here. Check in every now and then, look around, see not much has changed.

Some peeps they need to hit bottom before they let go of their delusional/ addicted thinking. And sometimes, not even then. (When Society Becomes an Addict www.amazon.com/Society-Becomes-Addict-Wilson-Schaef/dp/0062548549

The book is a term paper (at best) expanded into a small book, but it got me to thinking lo these many years ago that people really DO engage in distorted thinking, and that they cling to ideas, beliefs, and assumptions long.... looooong... after they have outlived any utility they might have had.

You can't save addicts from themselves.

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Monday, September 27, 2010 3:41 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

I wasn't speaking of any single individual--we have enough of them! IF it were only one person, it would be much less unpleasant--even if only a couple.

And I DEFINITELY don't think of you as overly-sensitive, Byte; rather I think of those of us who bother to hang around despite the situation as hard-headed and stubborn! I think any normal person wouldn't put up with it for long, which is probably the case and why there are so few of us who actually post.

I, too, think the remark about just posting on Firefly was out of place; nobody has to come to RWED; Firefly is long goneand there's only so much you can talk about regarding it (only speaking for myself), and I very much enjoy talking to a lot of the people here, discussing politics and so many of the other things we discuss and debate. I don't know why it should matter to anyone that we're down here, since they don't have to even recognize our existence. To each his own; I don't think any of us need to be preaching to anyone else about what we post (and yes, here comes the snide remarks about me mentioning the ugliness from time to time...go ahead, I don't give a shit).

You're right, Mike, we've lost good people even since I've been here, and that's not been long; I'm sad I never got to meet those who left, I've missed a lot. Hopefully new hard-headed people will come in future and keep the place alive, it just saddens me to see people disappear, like DT and those who left or have decided to be here less recently. And Wulf...sorta.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Monday, September 27, 2010 4:22 PM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Oh, I'm still here.

Signy, I miss you.
Have you bought or seen Browncoats: Redemption?
Not bad!
Your lack of regular factual firepower on RWED has led me to all but leave it to the Ultimate Fighters & their Ring.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Monday, September 27, 2010 8:18 PM

DMAANLILEILTT

Quote:
Originally posted by kaneman:
No one cares about your opinion on anything.

The irony!

"I really am ruggedly handsome, aren't I?"

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Tuesday, September 28, 2010 1:47 AM

JONGSSTRAW

FFF's RWED is still THE place to be for political discourse in my opinion. I'm not posting a lot these days, but I do check in often to get an idea of what people are thinking about the issues of the day, and this is the best place to find out. We hear from all sides here, something you cannot get at ideologically-driven sites. RWED is certainly not for the squeamish, but it does not chase people out either. People leave on their own for a variety of reasons.

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Tuesday, September 28, 2010 3:48 AM

KANEMAN

Quote:
Originally posted by dmaanlileiltt:
Quote:
Originally posted by kaneman:
No one cares about your opinion on anything.
The irony!

"I really am ruggedly handsome, aren't I?"

I have plenty of sockpuppets that would dissagree.

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Tuesday, September 28, 2010 4:14 AM

DMAANLILEILTT

Naturally. Sockpuppets are known to agree with puppeteers.

I would bet that considering how many posters Niki's posts attract (including yourself, evidently) that a fair few people find what she has to say interesting.

"I really am ruggedly handsome, aren't I?"

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Tuesday, September 28, 2010 5:08 AM

KANEMAN

Quote:
Originally posted by dmaanlileiltt:
Naturally. Sockpuppets are known to agree with puppeteers.

I would bet that considering how many posters Niki's posts attract (including yourself, evidently) that a fair few people find what she has to say interesting.

"I really am ruggedly handsome, aren't I?"

None of her hippie blathering is interesting...it's like an old movie

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Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:24 AM

STORYMARK

Which is why her threads get responses, and you have to carry on conversations with yourself....

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, September 28, 2010 7:06 AM

RIGHTEOUS9

still the best place to get a wide range of perspectives....and Fox's.

I think there's plenty of trash talk to go around too...

I don't know about you but most of us liberals haven't been above it, and I think that's okay.

so long as things simmer down and people go back to posting substantive contributions, the brutal character assasinations/cruely accurate portraits can be forgiven in the name of very personal subject matter...

not that I think everybody tries to be substantive...but then those who don't aren't taken seriously anyway.

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Tuesday, September 28, 2010 7:40 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Yeah, ain't so much a problem with discussion, always willin to discuss - it's that there's a couple here with no intent to discuss, simply to trumpet one specific way of lookin at things and then ram it down everyone elses throat, and/or run them off if they can't accomplish that.

Only, that doesn't take real well to Browncoats, who never met a lost cause they wouldn't fight, yanno ?

I've actually learned quite a bit from talkin to folk here, and surprisingly picked up even more tolerance and understanding of non-anarchists than I already had cause it came clear just how badly needed some of the structures, political or social, that other anarchists would go smashing willy-nilly are - I already had some idea, but the devil of the details is something I picked a lot of up here.

I've also tried to hand out some understanding of the other side of that viewpoint, with more success than I ever really hoped for, so it's all good in the end - I don't think it's so much about mind-changing, as bringing understanding of each others worldviews into the personal, so that we understand each other well enough to get along.

And yanno, I think that's a laudable thing even if there is a lot of flash and smoke involved cause it's constructive, rather than destructive, in the nature of it...

Conversely, that's also why I do happen to be so hostile to folk who's intentions are to wreck any substantive discussion which isn't carrying forth their own narrow worldview, that's an offensive act in my eyes and will never be anything but.

There IS NO "One Right Way", "One True Path" - however any individual becomes enlightened, or not, is up to them, a process as individual as people themselves, and try cut themselves short trying to fit the mold just demeans their own humanity, the one bit of true grace we ever had, what MAKES us....

People.

All just folk, us.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Tuesday, September 28, 2010 8:39 AM

KWICKO

Quote:
Originally posted by kaneman:
Quote:
Originally posted by dmaanlileiltt:
Naturally. Sockpuppets are known to agree with puppeteers.

I would bet that considering how many posters Niki's posts attract (including yourself, evidently) that a fair few people find what she has to say interesting.

"I really am ruggedly handsome, aren't I?"

None of her hippie blathering is interesting...it's like an old movie

... that you apparently can't stop watching.

The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.

AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, September 24, 2010
I hate Obama's America. You're damn right about that.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

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Wednesday, September 29, 2010 7:15 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Thanks Chris,

I have been so damn BUSY!!!

I thought life was supposed to slow down as you got older!!!

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Thursday, September 30, 2010 12:37 AM

FREMDFIRMA

HA!

Whoever sold you that line of bolus, demand a refund!

To paraphrase Caine: Life never messes with you too bad when you're young and healthy, and so tough you think you're immortal, no - life waits till you're old and slow and the kids are sick and the mortgage is late, and THEN it bends you over the sawhorse...

Of course, I wouldn't know what to do with myself if I ever *did* run out of bad actors with a desperate need for some sand in the gears of their nefarious plans, so it's all good on my end, really.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Thursday, September 30, 2010 2:22 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

"When you have a child, you have just given society a hostage."

Heard that a few months ago, and it really stuck, especially since our dd is mentally disabled. That is why I don't intend to be in this society much longer. Planning on leaving. Heard too many on-point comparisons to Weimar Germany.

Just as an aside, altho it deserves its own thread:

September 27, 2010
Report: Feds to push for Net encryption backdoors
Quote:
The Obama administration will seek a new federal law forcing Internet e-mail, instant-messaging, and other communication providers offering encryption to build in backdoors for law enforcement surveillance, The New York Times reported today. Communication providers, apparently including companies that offer voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) services, would be compelled to reconfigure their systems so that police could be guaranteed access to descrambled information.
They're going to say, of course, that's it's for "anti-terrorism". But given recent history of unjustified surveillance, and false testimony to back it up, of such groups as Iraq Veterans Against the War and Greenpeace and ACLU (false testimony from the highest level to Congress) you can bet your last friggin' penny that it will be used against ANYONE who looks like they need hammering down, including the "professional left" that Obama's Press Scy so disdainfully referenced, and the "Fuck UAW" that Rahm wants to stomp on. And then you can be put into Preventive Detention pretty much... well, forever. Or put on Obama's hit list.

Over the past ten years, the consolidated corporate press (yes, that includes FOX, which is nothing but a shill for militarized corporations and corrporatized military and all the alphabet goon squads and unified "security" agencies in-between... say have you read about LA's most recent experiment in "preventive policing"? Look it up, I have not gone all PNish on ya!) has gone from sins of omission to out and out deliberate fabrication. Not talking about Obama is a Muslim and health care death panels and the rest of the idiocy carried on FUX SCREWS, but provably false information about the number of dead Iraqis (Its one million by war violence, half-million by US aerial attack or firefights, not 46,000 as claimed by the MSM).

So now, the only widespread communication we have left to us, person-to-person and first-person (twitter or skype or Blackberry or smart phone or through ISPs to PCs/ laptops) will either be squeezed down by Google/Verizon (call the FCC!) as they wring net neutrality down to nothing, or be so laden with backdoors that government intrusion is guaranteed.

The whole thing that set this off is Blackberry, which claims to be safe from government or corporate spying because of its encryption process. That's why DOD and corporate bigshots use it all the time. (Check it out... all the DOD research peeps I ever worked with used it.) Well, the UAE and India have decided that Blackberry is a security threat, and have banned it. So now, our government is taking its security measures from the Middle East???

WTF????

Too much going on that's stupid and scary. Too much propaganda, but IMHO Obama showed himself to be "the enemy" a while ago, and this is another nail in the coffin. The only difference between him and Bush is that he talks better.

Read more: http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20017671-281.html#ixzz110srB2rF

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Thursday, September 30, 2010 6:07 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

Quote:
That is why I don't intend to be in this society much longer. Planning on leaving.

Where are you thinking of going?

If you do move I hope you'll pop back in and update us on how you're getting on in your new country, that'd be interesting

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Thursday, September 30, 2010 9:16 AM

JONGSSTRAW

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
..... but IMHO Obama showed himself to be "the enemy" a while ago, and this is another nail in the coffin. The only difference between him and Bush is that he talks better.

Those are pretty shocking statements coming from you. I'll spare both of us the futile debate over the merits of Obama, except to say that he was the best shot you ever had to get the things you want done from your ideological perspective. Unfortunatley, it looks like all that will be moot soon, as the pendulum is likely swinging back in a direction you're sure to despise even more than the current one. That's a bit sad, because even though we've rarely agreed on anything in the past, you're still OK in my book. Good luck with your future endeavors.

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