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4 are found guilty in NYC synagogue bomb plot case

From Christina Romano, CNN
October 18, 2010 4:31 p.m. EDT

New York (CNN) -- Four men were found guilty Monday of planning to bomb a synagogue and Jewish center in New York City and plotting to shoot military planes with missiles.
James Cromitie, David Williams, Onta Williams and Laguerre Payen -- all from Newburgh, New York -- were charged with conspiring to blow up a synagogue and Jewish community center in the Riverdale section of Bronx, New York. They were also accused of planning to fire surface-to-air-missiles at the New York Air National Guard Base at Stewart Airport in Newburgh, New York.....

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NY Synagogue Bomb Plotters Convicted on 30 of 32 Counts
Updated: Monday, 18 Oct 2010, 4:01 PM EDT
Published : Monday, 18 Oct 2010, 4:01 PM EDT

By Bruce Golding

(New York Post) - A jury found four Muslim converts guilty Monday on 30 of 32 counts in the May 2009 plot to bomb two Riverdale, N.Y., synagogues and shoot down military aircraft.

Prosecutors had accused James Cromitie of hatching the scheme with a paid FBI informant he met at a mosque in Newburgh, N.Y. They also said Cromitie recruited his three co-defendants -- David Williams, Onta Williams and Laguerre Payen -- to fire heat-seeking missiles at cargo planes at Stewart Air National Guard Base in Newburgh.

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Wait a minute...what's missing from this story ?

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Comedy Ceneral: Where comedy went to die.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

Look AU, I dislike all organized religions. But to pin all of the world's troubles on any ONE of them is... foolish need to identify enemies.

Nuts find a WAY to make themselves feel better about their nutty-ness; that's all it is.

Bipedo-terrorists...
The laughing Chrisisall

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Foolish need to identify enemies ?

Surely, you can't be serious

Listen up, Sissy. These weren't just some poor foreign brown folks, who live in a 3rd world country, far far away. They CONVERTED to the religion of peace.

Which religion was that ? Buddhism ? Oh, wait...they are kinda peaceful, after all. Let's see.. what was it then... oh, I know, from the story - ISLAM!

But the POINT of my little thread here is to show you that - yes, there IS a bias in the media, and that bias is to withhold information, to craft the news, so as to slant the story so that the public doesn't fully understand what is going on here.

It wouldn't be very PC, you see.

And this is what TRULY grates on me. Who didn't " connect the dots " before 9/11 ? Oh, easy...that was Bush. Just Bush, only Bush, no one else BUT Bush.

So, when we have terrorist warnings in Europe ( again ) and the Eiffel Tower has been evacuated - twice now - there's the Major Malfunction Muslim at Ft Hood, and these clowns trying to buy big boy , military grade munitions to kill as many civilians as they can.... those look like pretty darn big dots to me.

It's only hysteria and hatred when there's a Dem in the White House, but otherwise, it's " connecting the dots" .

I really do tire at it all. The double standard, then intentional act of playing dumb and excuse making, and the PC mind set that so many have, simply because it rocks their sensibilities to think bad thoughts about others.

When those others are overtly trying to kill you, after shouting about how they want to kill you.....it's o.k. to say bad things about them. Really. it's fine.

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what did you disagree with, in particular?

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And, if dumbisall can't see that radical islam is behind 87.4% of the world's trouble... dumbasall is really stupid.... or a liar.

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Of course... you don't get it, do you?

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And, if dumbisall can't see that radical islam is behind 87.4% of the world's trouble... dumbasall is really stupid.... or a liar.

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87.4%, eh?

Somehow, being called "dumbasall" by an idiot doesn't seem to bug me...


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And, if dumbisall can't see that radical islam is behind 87.4% of the world's trouble... dumbasall is really stupid.... or a liar.

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87.4%, eh?

Somehow, being called "dumbasall" by an idiot doesn't seem to bug me...


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87.4%, eh?

Somehow, being called "dumbasall" by an idiot doesn't seem to bug me...


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Brian Kilmeade says KKKaney is lying. According to Kilmeade, all terrorists are Muslim. 100% of them.


The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.

AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, September 24, 2010
I hate Obama's America. You're damn right about that.


Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

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.... and more to an Anthrax attack that his administration never did solve.

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This has no more to do w/ 'occupation' than blaming the Jews for the ills of post WW 1 Germany.

You're sadly falling for the phony excuses, and classically ignoring all the other NON Mid-East violence by Muslims, around the world.

( Palestine was never a country, btw )

Kudos to the Buddhists. They're a shining example for us all.

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Nothing you do will excuse or explain away the evil done by the Islamozealots, so what's the point of trying to ignore it ?

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Okay, Raptor, back to you...rail against me and spout your buzz words, I’m not talking to you, I’m asking whatever thinking people there are here who are capable of questioning and wanting to know facts, not be colored by “Muslim converts”—can you find anything to back up that “converts”, please? I’d really like to have it—WITH links, please...you identified the first quote as coming from CNN, but neglected to mention that the second quote was a DIRECT LIFT off Fox. You wanna counter, please provide links, I did to everything I found. Thank you.

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It's very easy, Niki. You're WAY over thinking this,

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It's very easy, Niki. You're WAY over thinking this,

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It's evil from OUR perspective, ya gotta remember that.
Okay, it's evil from any civilized perspective...

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By the way, claiming an anthrax-attack case is "closed" because someone apparently suicided, doesn't make it "solved".

You just really love and trust your government completely and absolutely, don't you? And they call ME naive and unwilling to see conspiracies!

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there are nutjobs everywhere, in every religion, all over the world, throughout history. I would say "get it?", but it's obvious by now you can't. Obsession is a sad thing to see.

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It's the sense of context and perspective you folks lack, which remains so baffling.

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Fox reports them as Muslim converts.

Nowhere else are they reported as converts (can YOU find any facts to back that up, Raptor?).

What does that tell you?

Last word: I STILL wonder why nobody but me finds something fishy about this whole entire story...where's Frem? Frem? Somebody?

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TRY to get a grip, Raptor. All those half-toothless lions, tigers and bears aren't gonna getcha today, I promise.

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My friend SAW the first plane hit the Towers IN PERSON.
He says the government reaction was in error.

If HE can see that clearly, why can't YOU????

Let go of your fear... that leads to the Dubya Side.

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Chief suspect in US anthrax attacks, Bruce Ivins, found dead

A top government scientist who helped to investigate America's deadly 2001 anthrax attacks has killed himself just as he was about to be charged in the case, in an extraordinary and unexpected twist to the biggest criminal investigation in US history.

Bruce Ivins, 62, who had worked for 18 years at the US Government's biodefence research laboratory in Fort Detrick, Maryland, died from an overdose of painkillers after being told that the Justice Department was about to charge him over the attacks, which brought fresh terror to the US days after the September 11 atrocity.

The death of Dr Ivins may put an end to one of the most baffling criminal investigations of modern times: the posting of weapons-grade anthrax spores in September and October 2001 that killed five people, sickened 17, closed Capitol Hill and crippled the US Postal Service.

Convinced at the time that it was another al-Qaeda plot, President Bush has since conceded that it was one of the lowest points of his White House tenure.

Dr Ivins, a microbiologist, helped the FBI to analyse materials recovered from one of the anthrax-tainted envelopes that was sent to the office of a senator in Washington.

He came under suspicion last year after the FBI put two new investigators on the case.

They reinterviewed dozens of scientists at the Fort Detrick laboratory after becoming convinced that it had been the source of the anthrax used in the attacks.

Until his death Dr Ivins had not been named publicly as a suspect in the seven-year investigation. His lawyers were informed that he was about to be charged and that prosecutors would be seeking the death penalty.

His suicide came after a government payment of $5.82 million (£3 million) last month to Steven Hatfill, another scientist at the Fort Detrick plant, whose life was left in ruins after being named a “person of interest” in 2002 by John Ashcroft, then the Attorney-General.

Mr Hatfill has always protested his innocence.

It was unclear what motive Dr Ivins would have had for the attacks. His brother, Tom, described him as “a man with no guts who liked people to bow down to him”. He said that they had not spoken for 20 years. Mr Ivins said: “He was a weak character but he liked to have people worship him.”


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FBI Closes Anthrax Case, Says Bruce Ivins Was Sole Culprit Behind Letter Attacks

Nearly a year-and-a-half after implicating U.S. Army researcher Bruce Ivins in the anthrax letter attacks of 2001, the United States government has formally closed the case. In a press release issued this afternoon, the Department of Justice, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the U.S. Postal Service said that a 92-page summary of the investigation had been provided this morning to members of Congress and families of the victims who were killed in the attack.

That summary has been released to the public, along with a clutch of new documents pertaining to the case. The FBI has already released hundreds of pages of documents that agency officials say contain incontrovertible evidence that Ivins acted alone in mailing out the letters, which killed five people and sickened 17 others. The newly released evidence includes a hand sketch drawn by Ivins in 2002 in which he attempted to show that the anthrax in the letters did not match the anthrax material that he worked with but that it matched the material used by a former colleague of his at the United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases in Frederick, Maryland. Officials say that this was an effort by Ivins to mislead investigators, as proved by scientific analysis in later years that definitively linked the evidence to a flask of anthrax under Ivins’s control.

The formal closure of the case may come as a surprise to a National Academies panel that is conducting a review of the scientific evidence relating to the case. The review is not expected to be complete until late 2010.

( Guess Rachel Maddow and Keith Olbermann skimmed over these news items.... )



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