Wow ! Sure glad THIS bigot got shown the door !! by AURaptor

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Originally posted by TheHappyTrader:
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Are you sure about that? Has FOX canned anyone for merely being on NPR ? And why should there be much/ any or a bias at all w/ NPR ? Being partially funded w/ Federal $$, shouldn't NPR strive to be as down the middle as anyone ?

You'll find no arguments here, we're in complete agreement. NPR ought to be unbiased, but it is not. So I use it only for classical music, science friday, and the occasional show like car talk. For that matter, our universities ought to be as unbiased as our public schools are (in theory) enforced to be.

You SAY they are biased. Is there any evidence to back those claims? Other than the claims of other conservatives, I mean. If NPR has a policy of not voicing an opinion on the stories they cover, is that not the definition of unbiased reporting?

The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.

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Friday, October 22, 2010 8:02 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
That's fine, AS LONG AS YOU'RE WILLING TO LET IT SLIDE FOR *ALL* RELIGIONS EQUALLY.

I believe I am.
People uncomfortable with Buddhists always seem to fear me though- I must have that "look."

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Would anyone have a problem with his firing if he'd said he gets uncomfortable any time he sees "blacks" dressed in their "black garb" on a plane?

I agree already! The point's been hammered, yo!

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, October 22, 2010 8:43 AM

HERO

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Shall we go into all the town halls (paid for by someone else) where Tea Partiers shut down the free speech of their representatives and the citizens who wanted to question them? Shall we go into the people simply wearing anti-Bush t-shirts (which actually THEY paid for) who were arreseted? How about the RNC warning television stations across the country not to run ads from the MoveOn.org that criticize President Bush?

I disagree with your characterization...but assuming you are correct...

Do you support what you claim the Tea Party and the Republicans are doing? If you think its wrong, then you should be an the 'Save Juan Williams' express.

And he's a liberal...why should I work so hard to save a fella from your camp? Because what happened to Juan Williams is wrong. Its not some kind of 'but look what everybody else did moment'. This is about NPR and Juan Williams.

I like Juan Williams. I disagree with little of what he says but he makes excellent points and argues his side very well and afterwards...he does not hate our side and we don't hate him. Maybe there is no room for reason at NPR, but I prefer liberals I can argue with to ones who storm off the stage.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
"I would rather not ignore your contributions." Niki2, 2010.

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Friday, October 22, 2010 8:52 AM

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Originally posted by Hero:
what happened to Juan Williams is wrong.

In the end, Juan gave into fear, and fear leads to the temporarily Unemployed Side!

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, October 22, 2010 8:53 AM

HERO

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Would anyone have a problem with his firing if he'd said he gets uncomfortable any time he sees "blacks" dressed in their "black garb" on a plane?

I think your forgetting that he was making a larger point. His opinion was that such generalizations are "wrong". What a handful of folks are fussing about is that he confessed his gut feeling, one shared by most Americans. Kind of goes along with the idea that profiling is wrong...but strip searching 'round trip to see grandkids Granny' while ignoring 'one-way ticket Pakistan-stamped passport Muhammed' makes no sense. It shows there is no easy resoltion here, but step one is not firing the folks willing to confess their feelings.

H

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Friday, October 22, 2010 9:52 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Uhhh, while I know of no instances of Fox firing anyone for being on any other station, they have fired at least one person for their comments

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Bill O’Reilly he invited Fox News contributor, and Columbia University professor, Marc Lamont Hill to discuss the right-wing's unhinged response to Obama's presidency. Hill, one of Fox News' few liberal contributors, has been fired for his political views. Apparently, right-wing purifiers were calling for his head, so Roger Ailes showed Hill the door.

I’m sure you abhor whoever this guy was (I don’t know personally) and have terrible things to say about him, but that doesn’t change the fact that Fox fired him for comments he made.

Sig, I fear that was a waste of typing time, what you posted. You must have noticed how many times Kane, Wulf and others have claimed something is fact, when it is only their opinion. I think the blinders are firmly attached when it comes to that one, and no amount of reasoning is ever going to change it. What I love is the crack at me that because I say “I agree” or “Right on” to a comment, it means I’m saying “that’s absolutely the truth”. So I don’t think there’s an ability to differentiate between someone else stating an opinion (which is viewed as the person stating “that’s fact!) and their stating “that’s fact!” actually being their opinion. Nice try, tho’.

CTTS, thank you. I agree. I, too, am bigoted against organized religion, but I don’t see wearing the dress of your society as dressing up to demonstrate their faith in Allah. That would mean that anyone who wears a sari is dressing up to demonstrate their faith in some Hindu god or other. I have no problem with people wearing the attire of their culture, and don’t see wearing Muslim garb as necessarily attached to Islam, tho’ for some no doubt it is; Muslim women who wear the veil are often forced to because of societal norms, and that has nothing to do with religion (tho’ for some I’m sure it does, as well). I think it’d be a sad day when everyone had to dress the way “we” think they should. I wear saris, sarongs, Moroccan clothing...I wonder what that makes me?

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their analysts and reporters from expressing personal opinions on-air

I didn’t know that. It’s a shame—and I think not really valid, as I’ve heard “opinions” expressed there with no resulting problems...I think that might be something which is selectively enforced, possibly? Nonetheless, if it’s in the contract, it’s their right to enforce it whenever they choose.

Certainly I agree that

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it's ludicrous to think that anyone would ever be fired from Fox for bigotry

, given what I’ve heard from there and what their own commentators give out with. Just the one remark that Obama is someone who hates white people is a pretty good example, and they loved that one!

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He said that Williams wasn't expressing an opinion, just explaining how he felt

SERIOUSLY??? That’s amazing; I’d like to hear him explain the difference, I really would...

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Do you support what you claim the Tea Party and the Republicans are doing? If you think its wrong, then you should be an the 'Save Juan Williams' express.

Jezus Hero, that’s just plain stupid! In other words, if I disagree with the Tea Party, I can only be in favor of Williams, right? Talk about your black-and-white reasoning! I’m perfectly capable of being against the Tea Party and Republican POLITICIANS are doing right now—and not just for reasons of bigotry on their part—without agreeing with Williams or thinking terrorists are right in what they do or anything ELSE. Wow. That’s a weird comparison...

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This is about NPR and Juan Williams

What I posted about was in counterpoint to YOUR statement that

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Liberals are all for Free Speech as long as someone else pays and you only say things they agree with

You can’t backtrack now and say it’s “only” about Williams and NPR, that is preposterous!

I should state that I don’t know Williams and have never heard him speak. It’s his right to “free speech when he has a contract he broke, which gave them absolute right to fire him, when it is characterized as his free speech being “stifled”.

Myself, I prefer conservatives I can “debate”...arguments do nobody any good, and making stupid statements (I assume you’re referring to the incident on The View) which are intended to cause a furor isn’t debating and shouldn’t be tolerated without refutation and condemnation.

In essence, I think NPR was legally justified in firing him, given their statement:

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"His remarks on The O'Reilly Factor this past Monday were inconsistent with our editorial standards and practices, and undermined his credibility as a news analyst with NPR,"

That doesn’t mean I think it’s right. I can see how it would undermine his credibility as an IMPARTIAL analyst, but as I don’t see NPR as being impartial, I think it was the last straw for them and an excuse:

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Williams' presence on the largely conservative and often contentious prime-time talk shows of Fox News has long been a sore point with NPR News executives. His status was earlier shifted from staff correspondent to analyst after he took clear-cut positions about public policy on television and in newspaper opinion pieces.

Ergo, he’s done such things before and apparently they cut him SOME slack. They chose not to this time; that’s their right. I can see how someone making the remark about Muslims when getting on a plane definitely undermines his credibility as impartial, but I don’t think it undermines his “credibility as a news analyst”, but if it hit the news, then the audience of NPR (given that’s probably a very different audience from Fox) would become aware of it and might view him as biased.

Dunno who you mean by

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he does not hate our side and we don't hate him

—conservatives? Americans in relationship to Muslims? Fox News viewers? I don’t think that statement has any validity, given that I think he remarks weren’t about any “side”, just about how he felt on that issue.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Friday, October 22, 2010 10:04 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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he confessed his gut feeling, one shared by most Americans. Kind of goes along with the idea that profiling is wrong...but strip searching 'round trip to see grandkids Granny' while ignoring 'one-way ticket Pakistan-stamped passport Muhammed' makes no sense.

I disagree, and I do think he's giving in to fear, which is after all what the terrorists WANT.

You'll have to prove to me that "most Americans" share the same feelings, I know I don't, nor do Choey or Jim, the only other two Americans I can ask. I just flew on four airplanes to and from the Gulf, and yes, I saw people in Muslim dress. I didn’t think twice about it, any more than I did about anyone else dressed in any other way. I went through serious security—they even took away my bottle of ice tea (which is cute, because it forces anyone carrying anything on a plane to buy something from the vendors inside the security area!). Luckily I had thought to pack a small container of ice-tea mix so I could get water on the plane and mix my own, but they did a very thorough job, making me take off my Boot and everything. The idea that any terrorist can sneak through is pretty minimal, and certainly if any terrorist were serious about doing something, he wouldn’t dress as a Muslim! So giving in to unreasoned fear like that is exactly what the terrorists want to have happen, and we’ve done a really good job of accommodating them, as Williams did in encouraging that fear.

As to "profiling is wrong" but "strip searching..." isn't the issue, as far as I can see. First off, no passenger knows if someone is flying on a one-way ticket Pakistan-stamped passport", so that invalidates that. I know of no instance when anyone NOT Muslim-looking was stripped searched while someone Muslim looking ws ignored. Strip searching someone in Muslim garb IS profiling. And lastly, that’s not what Williams said, he said he would be nervous if he saw someone IN MUSLIM GARB, only that, nothing else. It’s an incorrect corollary to profess otherwise.

And I would add that "confessing his gut feelings" only serves to justify OTHERS feeling that way, which helps spread the fear the terrorists want us to feel in the first place. People hear someone "in authority" say things like that, it justifies them feeling that way too, when what we should be doing is calming fears, explaining things like what I just did instead of encouraging irrational "terror".

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Friday, October 22, 2010 10:22 AM

KANEMAN

Bullshit the guy should never have been fired. It was a conspiracy at NPR. They are trying to get back at the first black President by firing a mexican, in retaliation for the flip-flop on "don't ask don't tell". This only proves they are a bunch of Kwicko-type Queers. PERIOD

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Friday, October 22, 2010 10:47 AM

America loves a winner!

Sig,

global climate change is bunk, so to bring that into ANY discussion, outside the realm of science fiction, is really idiotic, and a non issue.

Juan was being 'honest'. Happy now ? And for that, it got him fired from a alleged 'politically neutral' organization.

Seems NPR has shot themselves in the foot, and any chance of groveling for forgiveness and resigning Juan has gone out the door. Props to FOX for inking him for a new contract.

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."

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Friday, October 22, 2010 1:37 PM

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Uhhh, while I know of no instances of Fox firing anyone for being on any other station, they have fired at least one person for their comments

Bill O’Reilly invited Fox News contributor, and Columbia University professor, Marc Lamont Hill to discuss the right-wing's unhinged response to Obama's presidency. Hill, one of Fox News' few liberal contributors, has been fired for his political views. Apparently, right-wing purifiers were calling for his head, so Roger Ailes showed Hill the door.
I’m sure you abhor whoever this guy was (I don’t know personally) and have terrible things to say about him, but that doesn’t change the fact that Fox fired him for comments he made.

But it's DIFFERENT when they do it!

The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.

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Friday, October 22, 2010 1:43 PM

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Originally posted by Hero:

Kind of goes along with the idea that profiling is wrong...but strip searching 'round trip to see grandkids Granny' while ignoring 'one-way ticket Pakistan-stamped passport Muhammed' makes no sense.

His "larger point" was idiotic as well. His pointing out that Muslims in "Muslim garb" make him uncomfortable was just a stupid thing to say, considering that all 19 of the 9/11 hijackers were dressed as normally as anyone else, as was the "shoe bomber", as was the "underpants bomber"...

Also, profiling based on names doesn't get you anywhere, either. Unless you think Richard Reed, Timothy McVeigh, and Eric Rudolph sound like good old-fashioned Islamic names.

The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.

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Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
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Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

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Friday, October 22, 2010 5:45 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Who knew Juan lived in RapWorld™ ?

I guess he's just glad he's not an undocumented alien, since you've shown your bigotry against them in several posts here.

Or maybe you won't admit that.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Saturday, October 23, 2010 1:24 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Geezer:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Who knew Juan lived in RapWorld™ ?

I guess he's just glad he's not an undocumented alien, since you've shown your bigotry against them in several posts here.

Or maybe you won't admit that.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

Ha ha. Now it's " bigotry " to want illegals to follow the law and stop freeloading off the public dole ? (eg: education and healthcare )

You're right, I won't admit any 'bigotry', because I've shown none.

The argument does not apply, not even a little.

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."

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Saturday, October 23, 2010 2:25 AM

WHOZIT

Soros buys NPR!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/10/21/billionaire-soros-pays-addi
tional-npr-reporters/?test=latestnews

They're his bitches now!

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Saturday, October 23, 2010 6:02 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

You lie.

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George Soros has donated $1.8 million to hire 100 new reporters for 50 of its member stations.

He didn't "buy" it, his group donated money. Quit lying.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Saturday, October 23, 2010 6:05 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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The GOP suing over a copy right issue ? Man, now you're REALLY grasping at straws.

Actually, no, it's a fact.

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global climate change is bunk, so to bring that into ANY discussion, outside the realm of science fiction, is really idiotic, and a non issue.

And of course YOU know this because you've been able to verify, after extensive, detailed analysis of ALL the facts (or even most of them), that this is true? Yeah, right. This is one of the many issues where you find or one two facts or one or two people out of a virtual ocean of contradictory information, and you cling to them like a drowning man clings to floating debris. And because of that, you will not be able to think independently and instead hang on "the word" from your authority figures to tell you what is real and what isn't.

Isn't that kind of... religious?

You say you don't believe in "religion", but in my book religion is ANY kind of belief which its adherents refuse to test against simple observation. You're like the poster who believes that the world was made 6000 years ago and can't explain carbon dating or the fact that fossils were laid down in layers, not all in one jumble (from the great flood) but still believes. Really, Rappy, in so many ways you come across as being in denial just as much as ANY batshit-crazy bible-thumper, because your opinions for the most part only survive because you refuse to look at ALL of the facts... particularly the contradictory ones.

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Juan was being 'honest'. Happy now ? And for that, it got him fired from a alleged 'politically neutral' organization.

Yes. Juan was not expressing "truth to power" he was expressing his OPINION to power. I'm glad that you see the difference. Apparently, though, NPR has a policy (and I'm sure he signed a contract which requires him to follow their policies) requiring him not to express his personal opinion.
Are you saying that an employer should NOT have the capability of firing an employee who doesn't live up to their end of a contract?

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Saturday, October 23, 2010 6:11 AM

WHOZIT

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Originally posted by Niki2:
You lie.
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George Soros has donated $1.8 million to hire 100 new reporters for 50 of its member stations.
He didn't "buy" it, his group donated money. Quit lying.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

I was half joking, but I wasn't joking about the half that they're "HIS" bitches now. I hope for that kinda money he got a handbag.

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Saturday, October 23, 2010 6:47 AM

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Originally posted by Niki2:
You lie.
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George Soros has donated $1.8 million to hire 100 new reporters for 50 of its member stations.
He didn't "buy" it, his group donated money. Quit lying.

Well, Soros "bought" NPR, I suppose, in the exact same sense that the GOP has been "bought" and paid for by Rupert Murdoch. Or the way the U.S. Chamber of Commerce "bought" this election with foreign money.

The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.

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Friday, September 24, 2010
I hate Obama's America. You're damn right about that.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

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Saturday, October 23, 2010 6:53 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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The GOP suing over a copy right issue ? Man, now you're REALLY grasping at straws.
Actually, no, it's a fact.
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global climate change is bunk, so to bring that into ANY discussion, outside the realm of science fiction, is really idiotic, and a non issue.
And of course YOU know this because you've been able to verify, after extensive, detailed analysis of ALL the facts (or even most of them), that this is true? Yeah, right. This is one of the many issues where you find or one two facts or one or two people out of a virtual ocean of contradictory information, and you cling to them like a drowning man clings to floating debris. And because of that, you will not be able to think independently and instead hang on "the word" from your authority figures to tell you what is real and what isn't.

Isn't that kind of... religious?

Quite. Rappy also gladly and openly supports candidates who believe that the world is 6000 years old, and then he rails at others that he calls "young Earth creationists" - while of course SUPPORTING young Earth creationists!

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You say you don't believe in "religion", but in my book religion is ANY kind of belief which its adherents refuse to test against simple observation. You're like the poster who believes that the world was made 6000 years ago and can't explain carbon dating or the fact that fossils were laid down in layers, not all in one jumble (from the great flood) but still believes. Really, Rappy, in so many ways you come across as being in denial just as much as ANY batshit-crazy bible-thumper, because your opinions for the most part only survive because you refuse to look at ALL of the facts... particularly the contradictory ones.

Did you see the post where Rappy is attending church now, and taking communion?

He's failed at everything else in life; now he even fails at atheism!

The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.

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Friday, September 24, 2010
I hate Obama's America. You're damn right about that.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

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Saturday, October 23, 2010 6:58 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I agree. Money talks.

It talks in this election. For example, now that the health insurances got what they wanted out of the Dems (mandated insurance) they have shifted their donations to the Repubs to drop the "onerous" regulations that were part of the package. (Oh, goody: We'll have regulation-free mandated insurance.)

I really dislike "philanthropists". Bill Gates, for example. Rather than sinking his money into local African development like wells and roads, mosquito nets, clinics, and cheap (patent-free) anti-retrovirals... or simply GIVING his money to the local poor and letting THEM decide what they need... he's pushing for AIDS vaccines: yet another high-tech, patented, centralized, profit-sucking solution. Soros is similar. He really likes microcredit, although REAL improvement doesn't come from individuals clawing their way up the ladder but cooperative action to to bring down the corrupt governments which create misery.

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Saturday, October 23, 2010 7:04 AM

WHOZIT

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by Niki2:
You lie.
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George Soros has donated $1.8 million to hire 100 new reporters for 50 of its member stations.
He didn't "buy" it, his group donated money. Quit lying.

Well, Soros "bought" NPR, I suppose, in the exact same sense that the GOP has been "bought" and paid for by Rupert Murdoch. Or the way the U.S. Chamber of Commerce "bought" this election with foreign money.

The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.

AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, September 24, 2010
I hate Obama's America. You're damn right about that.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

FOX News doesn't need hand outs, Soros is their pimp and they're his bitches now. If they want more of his money they'll do what the have to do to make him happy, they know what they have to do (or say) to make him happy. They're his bitches now, and I'm sure they sent him an "Are you being served" DVD.

FYI; "Are you being served", best brit-com ever!

Those arn't boobs, they're lies! - Stewie Griffin

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Saturday, October 23, 2010 7:45 AM

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Originally posted by whozit:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by Niki2:
You lie.
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George Soros has donated $1.8 million to hire 100 new reporters for 50 of its member stations.
He didn't "buy" it, his group donated money. Quit lying.

Well, Soros "bought" NPR, I suppose, in the exact same sense that the GOP has been "bought" and paid for by Rupert Murdoch. Or the way the U.S. Chamber of Commerce "bought" this election with foreign money.

The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.

AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, September 24, 2010
I hate Obama's America. You're damn right about that.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.
FOX News doesn't need hand outs, Soros is their pimp and they're his bitches now. If they want more of his money they'll do what the have to do to make him happy, they know what they have to do (or say) to make him happy. They're his bitches now, and I'm sure they sent him an "Are you being served" DVD.

FYI; "Are you being served", best brit-com ever!

You really are slow on the uptake, aren't you?

I didn't say anything about Fox *needing* handouts; I intimated that Fox is *giving* handouts. They're giving millions to the GOP, as is the Chamber of Commerce (via foreign contributions from places like Saudi Arabia, India, and China, among others). And, according to you, that makes the GOP their "bitches", and they'll do whatever they're told by their new "masters".

The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.

AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, September 24, 2010
I hate Obama's America. You're damn right about that.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

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Saturday, October 23, 2010 8:07 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM: Yes. Juan was not expressing "truth to power" he was expressing his OPINION to power. I'm glad that you see the difference. Apparently, though, NPR has a policy (and I'm sure he signed a contract which requires him to follow their policies) requiring him not to express his personal opinion.
Are you saying that an employer should NOT have the capability of firing an employee who doesn't live up to their end of a contract?

So, what of corespondents who wish AIDS upon GOP Senators ( and their grandkids ) ? Not held to the same criteria, I see. I bet if it had been against some Dem Senator, they'd be fired, and lawsuits filed. But because a Lib said it ? Meh, no biggie.

And there's far more than 'one or two' folks in the virtual ocean of AGW 'believers' who dispute the entire issue. Some of them are those who were on the forefront of this cockamamie concept from the get go. They waited, saw the evidence, and now have come to the conclusion that, what ever influence mankind has on the global climate, it's too minute to even worry about.

I love how you confuse carbon dating to radiometric dating, just like the fundies you try to accuse me of being. *laughs*

NPR has egg all over its face, and Juan has been justified w/ a big new contract. I think that's pretty much the general consensus.

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."

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Saturday, October 23, 2010 11:37 AM

CANTTAKESKY

http://tunedin.blogs.time.com/2010/10/22/juan-williams-did-he-have-a-p
roblem-opinion-or-do-we-have-a-problem-with-opinions/

Author made some good points.

I guess no one needs to cry for Juan Williams.

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Saturday, October 23, 2010 12:44 PM

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So, what of corespondents who wish AIDS upon GOP Senators ( and their grandkids ) ? Not held to the same criteria, I see. I bet if it had been against some Dem Senator, they'd be fired, and lawsuits filed. But because a Lib said it ? Meh, no biggie.

Well, if something like this had been said against ISRAEL, you can bet your ass they'd be fired. And you, Rappy, would be in full support of that firing.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=43580

Now, it's either that she's a "liberal", or that you have a complete inability to look at Jews and Muslims with anything approaching neutrality.

The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.

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Saturday, October 23, 2010 1:00 PM

Juan Williams reminds me very much of Rappy. Rappy believes that Muslims in NYC have only one possible reason for building a community center: to insult and threaten him personally. Mr. Williams thinks Muslims choose to wear "Muslim garb" purely to identify themselves as The Big Scary Evil.

"...I see people who are in Muslim garb and I think, you know, they are identifying themselves first and foremost as Muslims, I get worried. I get nervous."

Clearly, Mr. Williams is unable to understand that a large part of the world does not dress like the average American.

Dude, it's just how a whole big bunch of people dress. They come from someplace different, they have a different fashion history. Really, that's all it is. Chill the fuck out already, and go visit someplace other than Faux News so your mind can expand out of that teeny tiny hole it lives in.

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Saturday, October 23, 2010 3:13 PM

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Mikey, read the various papers which target that nationality as a readership, and you not only see that, over and over, they have editorials crowing about it - imma hard guy to make nauseous, as you can imagine, but seeing that shit did the trick.

I did get to put the smack on someone Friday though, I had to fill out some bullshit card for yet another change in our insurance - and have you noticed that you're getting a packet detailing the changes in your plan like ONCE A FEKKIN WEEK now, as they rapidly change up shit so you can never know what they might or might not cover ?

Anyhow, under "Race" I put "Human" - and when they complained, told em it was technically true, and damned if I was gonna change it, cause the idea of such artificial divisions was asinine from day fuckin one.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Saturday, October 23, 2010 3:14 PM

America loves a winner!

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Juan Williams reminds me very much of Rappy. Rappy believes that Muslims in NYC have only one possible reason for building a community center: to insult and threaten him personally. Mr. Williams thinks Muslims choose to wear "Muslim garb" purely to identify themselves as The Big Scary Evil.

It's true. I, like Juan, was born a poor black child.

But seriously, if anyone takes the time to see why and where Muslims build their mosques, the WTC Mosque is exactly as it's been described. A victory mosque for Islam.

Even most Muslims, in and outside of the US, agree on this matter. And they wish the location was moved.

Why can't you ?

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."

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Saturday, October 23, 2010 4:41 PM

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But seriously, if anyone takes the time to see why and where Muslims build their mosques, the WTC Mosque is exactly as it's been described. A victory mosque for Islam.

You took the time to find this out from the masters of all wisdom at Faux New, obviously. Because we all know that you certainly didn't take a minute to chat with any actual Moslims. Or even read their words in any press besides Faux News.

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Why can't you ?

Isn't it obvious? Because I'm not a bigoted asshole, and I believe that America is the land of the free. For everyone, not just those who think and pray like I do.

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Saturday, October 23, 2010 5:03 PM

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Dude, it's just how a whole big bunch of people dress. They come from someplace different, they have a different fashion history. Really, that's all it is.

Mal, just to put it in context, if I went to China, I'd surely dress in the cool traditional clothes & Kung Fu shoes, but if I went to the Middle East, I'd be damned if I had to grow a beard & wear a dress I couldn't kick in.

Tolerance for a different culture for ME ends at physical limitations of the traditional garb & personal follicle management issues.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Saturday, October 23, 2010 5:27 PM

America loves a winner!

You're incredulity over the facts not withstanding, this has zero to do with FOX news, so drop the phony, straw man act.

As reported in the New York Times earlier this week, Saudi prince Alwaleed bin Talal, best-known for his rejected offer of a $10 million check to Mayor Rudy Giuliani in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, has come out against the Ground Zero mosque. Alwaleed’s Kingdom Foundation has been a financial patron of Feisal Abdul Rauf, the proposed mosque’s “spiritual guide,” donating more than $200,000 to the “Muslim Leaders of Tomorrow” program run by Rauf’s American Society for Muslim Advancement (ASMA).

So, me, Juan Williams and most Americans are 'bigoted a-holes ' ??

How's about you get the hell over yourself, drop the childish, idiotic moral superiority shtick, and wake the hell up.

America is the land of the free, but not the duped. ( save for you )

And I don't pray, so spare me your contrived hatred for those NOT Muslim.

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."

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Saturday, October 23, 2010 5:34 PM

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Mal, just to put it in context, if I went to China, I'd surely dress in the cool traditional clothes & Kung Fu shoes, but if I went to the Middle East, I'd be damned if I had to grow a beard & wear a dress I couldn't kick in.

Tolerance for a different culture for ME ends at physical limitations of the traditional garb & personal follicle management issues.

LOL! I'm picturing Rappy and his hero Juan Williams visiting the Middle East, growing beards and wearing robes and turbans because they're so eager not to offend the locals the way the Muslims offend them by wearing "their" clothing in the US.

Of course, Rappy and Juan would also learn the local customs and language, because they're such accommodating and culturally open kinds of guys...

That's a fun little fantasy land I just visited.

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Saturday, October 23, 2010 5:41 PM

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You're incredulity over the facts not withstanding, this has zero to do with FOX news, so drop the phony, straw man act.

As reported in the New York Times earlier this week, Saudi prince Alwaleed bin Talal, best-known for his rejected offer of a $10 million check to Mayor Rudy Giuliani in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, has come out against the Ground Zero mosque. Alwaleed’s Kingdom Foundation has been a financial patron of Feisal Abdul Rauf, the proposed mosque’s “spiritual guide,” donating more than $200,000 to the “Muslim Leaders of Tomorrow” program run by Rauf’s American Society for Muslim Advancement (ASMA).

So, me, Juan Williams and most Americans are 'bigoted a-holes ' ??

How's about you get the hell over yourself, drop the childish, idiotic moral superiority shtick, and wake the hell up.

America is the land of the free, but not the duped. ( save for you )

And I don't pray, so spare me your contrived hatred for those NOT Muslim.

Look who's suddenly all buddy-buddy with the Muslims! As long as they support your biases, hey Rap? Have you actually tried to *listen* to anyone who doesn't go into goosestep with your theories?

Have you actually tried to speak to any real, in the flesh, bearded and turbaned fellas, Rap? If little ole me, an unshaven (for part of my life) radical feminist can do it, how about you give it a whirl?

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Saturday, October 23, 2010 5:50 PM

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America is the land of the free, but not the duped.

LOL, *choke* COUGH, gaghhhh.

Whatever.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Saturday, October 23, 2010 5:52 PM

America loves a winner!

So, Saudi prince Alwaleed bin Talal is "goose stepping" to the beat of FOX News?

wow.... you must be related to Kwickie. That level of crazy is... something special.

There's no 'theory' here, brainless. Just the facts.

And what's with this 'talking' crap ? You really don't get it, do you ? MOST Muslims don't want the mosque built there, BECAUSE it won't accomplish what we're told was it's alleged purpose. THEY get it, whether I talk to them, they talk to me, or not.

And please, spare us your personal hygiene tips. I really could do w/ out knowing your body hair status.

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Saturday, October 23, 2010 6:16 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
America is the land of the free, but not the duped.

LOL, *choke* COUGH, gaghhhh.

Whatever.

Exactly. One quote by a Muslim that marginally agrees with Rappy's fucked up view, and suddenly he's the champion of THE OPINION OF THIS ONE MUSLIM. Funny how he never listened to a Muslim before, or even bothered to meet one. Funny that he'll take the opinion of this one (press reported) individual over the myriad of people of different faiths who actually live in New York. You know, the American citizens.

Still haven't bothered to meet a Muslim Rappy? Haven't actually sat down to have a conversation with someone who's different from you? Tsk-tsk. That'd be too hard, wouldn't it? Might make you have to THINK...

Rappy's so transparent. I can tell exactly how high his masters told him to jump.

Good boy! Here's a treat!

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Saturday, October 23, 2010 7:10 PM

FREMDFIRMA

You know it's bad when even the hardcore rightwing Detnews and Freep are mocking the shit out of this.

http://www.freep.com/article/20101023/BLOG24/101023044/Juan-Williams-a
nd-Fox-News

Bloody hi-larious, it is.

-F

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Saturday, October 23, 2010 7:31 PM

America loves a winner!

M4p

Would help if you read my replies, instead of just yammering away, just to see your own words posted on the board. But then you might - god forbid - LEARN something.

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."

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Sunday, October 24, 2010 1:58 AM

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M4p

Would help if you read my replies, instead of just yammering away, just to see your own words posted on the board. But then you might - god forbid - LEARN something.

Someone once said, "How's about you get the hell over yourself, drop the childish, idiotic moral superiority shtick, and wake the hell up."

Pity you'll never take their advice, child.

The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.

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Sunday, October 24, 2010 2:42 AM

America loves a winner!

See, not paying attention to moronic posts, like Kwickie's here, is actually beneficial. Learned enough to figure that out.

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."

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Sunday, October 24, 2010 4:38 AM

Let's see, lessons to take away from the above posts...

Auraptor believes he knows the thoughts and motivations of a whole group of people, though he never actually speaks to any of them.

Auraptor judges this group of people based on his biases and fears. You know, he pre-judges. As in prejudiced.

Auraptor holds up any single instance that supports his bigotry as proof that he is right about everything. Raplogic™ at work.

Auraptor firmly closes his eyes to anything that contradicts his prejudices.

Auraptor sees only in black and white: if one Muslim did something bad, then all Muslims must be feared and punished.

Nope, I already knew all that. Nothing new to learn there!

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Sunday, October 24, 2010 4:44 AM

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m4p

I don't have to talk to ANY of them , to know the results of polls and views of those who have plainly stated their view. ME talking to them, not talking to them, or vica versa , changes absolutely nothing.

I acknowledge those by how they act and what they say. I don't discount any of that merely because some ( like you ) may confused the radicals w/ the larger group of which they are a part.

I offer evidence and facts to back up my claims. I bring one item, up, you dismiss it, out of hand. I could repeat that, item by item, and you'd repeat your dismissal, each and every time, w/ out honestly acknowledging the sum of it all. End story, you can't handle the truth.

My eyes are wide open. Unlike yours.

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Nothing new to learn there!

And you accuse ME of being prejudiced ?

wow.

p.s. - go shave something, why don't ya ?

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Sunday, October 24, 2010 4:49 AM

Anyway, back to the point. The thing I find alarming about the mentality of Juan Williams is how he is justifying and accepting his bigotry. Admitting he feels it is not the problem. He could have said: "I have this fear and I see that it's unreasonable and unfair. So instead of talking about where it came from, how about I focus on how I can overcome it?" A good conversation could follow. (But not on Faux News)

Instead, what Williams seems to be saying is: "I have this bigotry, but really I have it for good reason and it's just the right way to feel so I'm going to on feeling it."

It's especially sad seeing this come from a man who's discussed the bigotry of racism. I'd like to think he'd be capable of stepping outside his ignorance. Strike up a conversation with those be-robed folks on the plane, rather than sitting back and making up stories in your head about them.

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It's especially sad seeing this come from a man who's discussed the bigotry of racism. I'd like to think he'd be capable of stepping outside his ignorance. Strike up a conversation with those be-robed folks on the plane, rather than sitting back and making up stories in your head about them.

Maybe , to paraphrase our President, Juan was just being a "typical" black person ?

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."

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Sunday, October 24, 2010 4:54 AM

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I don't have to talk to ANY of them , to know the results of polls and views of those who have plainly stated their view. ME talking to them, not talking to them, or vica versa , changes absolutely nothing.

More proof of my list above, followed by more Rap Logic™, then the usual defensive posturing.

Yawn.

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Sunday, October 24, 2010 5:12 AM

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See, not paying attention to moronic posts, like Kwickie's here, is actually beneficial. Learned enough to figure that out.

Yes, you did such a great job of not paying attention to my post that you had to make a whole new post yourself in response to it, to show how little attention you were paying!

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Sunday, October 24, 2010 5:20 AM

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It's especially sad seeing this come from a man who's discussed the bigotry of racism. I'd like to think he'd be capable of stepping outside his ignorance. Strike up a conversation with those be-robed folks on the plane, rather than sitting back and making up stories in your head about them.

Maybe , to paraphrase our President, Juan was just being a "typical" black person ?

Thanks for confirming what we already knew about you - AGAIN!

Clearly you're saying here that you don't think "typical" black people can "step outside their ignorance". Nice.

Tell us all again how racist you aren't.

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