Wow ! Sure glad THIS bigot got shown the door !! by AURaptor

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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Juan Williams reminds me very much of Rappy. Rappy believes that Muslims in NYC have only one possible reason for building a community center: to insult and threaten him personally. Mr. Williams thinks Muslims choose to wear "Muslim garb" purely to identify themselves as The Big Scary Evil.

Once again, of course, the argument that any real terrorist wouldn’t be caught dead in “Muslim garb” if he had terrorist intentions. Cute mental image, tho’, Mal4.

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But seriously, if anyone takes the time to see why and where Muslims build their mosques, the WTC Mosque is exactly as it's been described. A victory mosque for Islam. Even most Muslims, in and outside of the US, agree on this matter.

You keep making that flat statement, yet when challenged, you offer nothing. Ergo; until you can provide facts to back it up: You lie.

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MOST Muslims don't want the mosque built there, BECAUSE it won't accomplish what we're told was it's alleged purpose.

Another unproven “fact”. The Muslims who don’t want it built there most likely feel that way because it’s proposed building has only served to worsen the Islamophobia sweeping the nation today. They’d rather have it moved than chance being attacked, which is logical.

http://cmsimg.freep.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=C4&Date=20101023&Cat
egory=BLOG24&ArtNo=101023044&Ref=AR&MaxW=580&Q=50
Priceless. Thanx Frem.

The rest is just the usual

of this place.

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Sunday, October 24, 2010 7:40 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Okay, glad to know that you think employers have the right to fire employees who break their end of the contract. So the real rub is not that he was fired, but the hypocrisy of firing him but not others. OTOH, Fox News has done the same thing.

Fox News FIRES Marc Lamont Hill, Liberal Analyst
www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/16/fox-news-fires-marc-lamon_n_324207.h
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Gander sauce = goose sauce.

The church question: Someone said YOU said you are now attending church. True?

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Sunday, October 24, 2010 7:57 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Yup, Sig, I made that argument and posted the story. But since it comes from HuffPost, you gotta KNOW they'll ignore or diss it as "liberal bias".

I don't think it's his CONTRACT he violated. "NPR statement on terminating Wms contract says his remarks abt muslims on Fox News “undermined his credibility as a news analyst w NPR” is what I heard, that rather than it was something specifically stated in his contract, "...his remarks on the O’Reilly Factor … were inconsistent w/our editorial standards” ( http://www.mediaite.com/online/npr-fires-juan-williams-over-remarks-ma
de-about-muslims-on-oreilly-factor/). Just to be clear. I thought it was a contract violation at first, too, until I looked it up.

Personally, I agree with the further statement in the article that

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it’s hard not to wonder whether the more beneficial, more considered, altogether more NPR thing to do here would have been to devote a segment of Morning Edition, or Weekend Edition, or All Things Considered to having Williams explain just what the hell he was talking about. At least that would have provided a forum for intelligent conversation on the matter, something that is desperately lacking at the moment. Apparently not.

For me it's a stupid remark on Williams' part, and a lost opportunity and disappointing move on NPR's part, but it doesn't mean that they are legally wrong in firing him.

Nonetheless, Fox's firing will be ignored or rationalized, and it was just because he was "too liberal", not for any specific stupid remark.

As for Fox itself,

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NPR should be consistent on who they fire and who they don't. Clearly, they weren't , but when it comes to sticking to their Left wing agenda, allowances must be made.

might be compared to Fox calling itself "fair and balanced", when their right-wing agenda is clear as glass. No inconsistency there, of course, allowances must be made.

The church question? Mike wrote "Did you see the post where Rappy is attending church now, and taking communion?" above, which once again illustrates that you don't read posts, you just mouth off. Dunno where he got that, but his comment was either a snark at something YOU wrote, or just a snark.

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Sunday, October 24, 2010 9:06 AM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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The church question? Mike wrote "Did you see the post where Rappy is attending church now, and taking communion?" above, which once again illustrates that you don't read posts, you just mouth off. Dunno where he got that, but his comment was either a snark at something YOU wrote, or just a snark.

It was a snark at Rappy's professed "atheism". *HE* said that he went to church last Sunday, and took communion. Signy hasn't been around much, and likely missed that post, so I don't think she's "just mouthing off" without reading posts.

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Sunday, October 24, 2010 10:27 AM

DREAMTROVE

Neither Juan Williams nor NPR, IMHO, have any credibility at all, so I can't really be concerned with their thinly veiled but clearly partisan squabbling that has nothing to do with Islam. NPR probably is more anti-muslim than Juan Williams, who is just a gun for hire.

If I were on the left, NPR would scare me even more. They hand feed you sympathetic muslims who are really just neoliberal imperialists begging them to heed the new call to war, selling out their own people, like this Somali what's her name. Ayaan Hirsi Ali. She scares me. Our next Ahmed Chalabi.

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Sunday, October 24, 2010 5:18 PM

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Sig

I hardly see how the two case are related, or comparable.

I DID attend a church, not long ago. Which isn't anything a kin to "attending " church.

One time deal. Why the interest ?

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Sunday, October 24, 2010 5:26 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Just curious. I was wondering if you had got religion. Seemed out of character.

So, OOC (I'm really very nosy) why did you attend? Go with a friend?

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Sunday, October 24, 2010 5:35 PM

America loves a winner!

Yep. Friend of mine plays guitar, and they put on a sort of a different type service, where they play a few songs. Pretty cool idea, actually. Quite the production. More of a casual, Christian rock feel to it.

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Sunday, October 24, 2010 10:02 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Beware, Rappy! That's how they suck you in!

OH, and BTW... back to the original topic: You say the two cases have nothing to do with each other. Can you explain to me how they're different?

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Sunday, October 24, 2010 11:42 PM

America loves a winner!

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Beware, Rappy! That's how they suck you in!

Well, it didn't take. Even after I took communion, and everything.

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OH, and BTW... back to the original topic: You say the two cases have nothing to do with each other. Can you explain to me how they're different?

Why does there have to be any equivalence or connection? You have a liberal network ( npr ) firring a liberal guy for something he said, and another network ( fox ) firing a guy for - why again ? Did they come out and say he had 'crossed the line' of decency or some such ? I really don't get this need for tit for tat situations here. They're simply not on par w/ each other.. as Kaylee would say..." because they aren't. "

And to further point out -

NPR openly stated WHY they were firing Juan. Has there been any such statement on why FOX fired Mr. Hill ? Further, NPR's Vivian Shiller went so far as to say that Juan should relay his views to his psychiatrist ( which he does not have ) suggesting that he's in need of some mental assistance. So, not only do they fire the guy, but they go so far to call him a bigot and attempt to assassinate his character by questioning his mental makeup.

FOX has done any of this w/ Mr Hill ? Please, show me where.

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Monday, October 25, 2010 7:04 AM

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Murdoch made the announcement after being asked about Hill's "reputation of defending cop killers and racists."

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I find [O'Reilly's] continued promotion of Professor Marc Lamont Hill an embarrassment to his own standards and an insult to the intelligence of African Americans particularly and his entire audience generally. Tonight he interviewed Hill for an entire segment on the subject of Iran, as though Hill had anything intelligent to say on the subject.

Uhmmmm... just google fox+fires+hill. There is plenty of material if you take the simple step to look for it.

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Monday, October 25, 2010 7:07 AM

KANEMAN

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Neither Juan Williams nor NPR, IMHO, have any credibility at all, so I can't really be concerned with their thinly veiled but clearly partisan squabbling that has nothing to do with Islam. NPR probably is more anti-muslim than Juan Williams, who is just a gun for hire.

If I were on the left, NPR would scare me even more. They hand feed you sympathetic muslims who are really just neoliberal imperialists begging them to heed the new call to war, selling out their own people, like this Somali what's her name. Ayaan Hirsi Ali. She scares me. Our next Ahmed Chalabi.

I approve this message....I would just add: I think Juan was fired 'cause he's mexican and loves Jesus.

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Monday, October 25, 2010 7:15 AM

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Sig

You're posting comments out of context and misrepresenting who said what by not showing the full quote and then not identifying who gave the 2nd quote. Murdoch never called anyone a "cop killer or a racist", he was ASKED that question. HUGE difference. Also, it appears you mean to intend that Murdoch gave the 2nd quote as wel, when he did not.

As for taking simple steps, you COULD have presented an honest, factual reply to my post, instead of cobbling together this piece of go se , which really says nothing about the situation.

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Monday, October 25, 2010 7:18 AM

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Rappy, I'm too busy to do your thinking for you. My only point was that Hill was taking similar flak from the right as Williams was taking from the left. Please do as I suggested and google the topic and THEN tell me how they are different, 'cause I've already spent more time on this board today than I can afford. Thanks.

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Monday, October 25, 2010 7:27 AM

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Rappy, I'm too busy to do your thinking for you. My only point was that Hill was taking similar flak from the right as Williams was taking from the left. Please do as I suggested and google the topic and THEN tell me how they are different, 'cause I've already spent more time on this board today than I can afford. Thanks.

But you're NOT too busy to post misleading, incomplete and/ or inaccurate quotes ?

That's twice now you've ducked my question to you...

NPR came out and stated, plainly, what Juan had done, and then went on to besmirch the man's character and even question his mental health.

What, other than let Mr Hill go, has ANYTHING remotely to do w/ what NPR did ?

Still waiting....

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Monday, October 25, 2010 8:11 AM

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The “tit for tat” you decried came as a response to the question of whether Fox News would fire someone for being on NPR”, which they haven’t, but they’ve done equivalent things, such as firing Hill. I was responding to the question by showing an example of Fox firing someone for expressing views they found too liberal.

Fox fired Hill for expressing views they didn't like. NPR did the same. Of course there is an equivalency; NPR was just honest about it, however wrong I think their actions may have been.

Murdoch did not make the second statement, that is true. It was David Horowitz.

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Murdoch also said that Hill has been fired. He revealed the move after a shareholder had raised the question of how Hill was hired, citing his “reputation of defending cop killers and racists.”

Murdoch never said why he fired Hill; he wouldn’t say it directly, of course, Murdoch’s no idiot and wouldn’t let himself be caught saying anything like that which could be quoted. The “shareholder” was Cliff Kincaid, who had long been after Hill’s head:

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The announcement of Hill's firing was made as I was questioning Murdoch about why Hill was hired in the first place.

It is nonetheless true that Hill was being targeted by the right and that he’s been at odds with both sides:

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Alicia C. Shepard, the NPR ombudswoman, said at the time that Mr. Williams was a “lightning rod” for the public radio organization in part because he “tends to speak one way on NPR and another on Fox.”

Kincaid’s group had been targeting Hill for a long time, and he was virulent about his dislike of Hill on Fox ( http://www.rightsidenews.com/200910196916/editorial/us-opinion-and-edi
torial/fox-news-on-the-spot-in-marc-lamont-hill-scandal.html).

Nobody from Fox would speak out about why Hill was fired, but one only has to search to find the reasons that added up to it..

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Monday, October 25, 2010 8:22 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Rappy, please show me how they are different.

To me, the similarities are blatantly obvious. Both are news analysts. Both came under fire for saying things that were against the presumed ideological stance of their employer. Both were fired for that reason.

There ARE internal memos from Murdoch pressuring anchors and analysts to slant the news. I read about them, I just don't have the time to look them up right now, but they do exist.

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Monday, October 25, 2010 8:38 AM

So I guess the moral of this story is not to have feelings (least a ways, not public like) that you cannot provide extensive documented reasoning for having. Whether you recognize it as irrational behavior or not is irrelevant, because you can now be quoted in or out of whatever context strikes anyone's fancy. In other words, don't be human in public. Not even minority status can protect you from that. So don't get nervous, at least not publicly and without copious amounts of statistics and research on your side.

I get that we should be holding reporters to higher standards of general thruthiness (not that we really do... but we should) but I still don't understand what the problem is with Juan Williams quoting a muslin terrorist and saying he gets nervous. But then I forget, we simple folk just aren't capable of recognizing bigotry on our own without liberal assistance.

That being said, that point about terrorist not dressing in typical Muslim garb while doing very bad things was a good point. I wonder how many folks never thought about that. Maybe evidence like that would change more minds than firing folk.

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Monday, October 25, 2010 8:40 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

It was Moody, not Murdoch. Examples of how to slant the news:

http://www.slate.com/id/2154078/entry/2154079

"But then I forget, we simple folk just aren't capable of recognizing bigotry on our own without rightwing assistance."

Fixed that for you!

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Monday, October 25, 2010 9:31 AM

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Originally posted by TheHappyTrader:
So I guess the moral of this story is not to have feelings (least a ways, not public like) that you cannot provide extensive documented reasoning for having. Whether you recognize it as irrational behavior or not is irrelevant, because you can now be quoted in or out of whatever context strikes anyone's fancy. In other words, don't be human in public. Not even minority status can protect you from that. So don't get nervous, at least not publicly and without copious amounts of statistics and research on your side.

When has any speaker on the right ever had copious amounts of statistics and research on his side?

You say "you can now be quoted in or out of whatever context strikes anyone's fancy" - and that applies to your very own President as well.

On "The View", Bill O'Reilly misrepresented AND misquoted the President on the "9/11 non-mosque that's really not anywhere near Ground Zero" issue. President Obama said they HAVE THE RIGHT to build there, but that he wouldn't comment on THE WISDOM of doing so. O'Reilly misconstrued that - intentionally, no less - and said that the President said "... and they're right to do it" - not referring to them HAVING the right to do it, but changing it to indicate that the President thinks they ARE right to do it, when clearly, he never said anything even remotely close to that.

But of course, not one single conservative here (or anywhere else, it seems) would ever call O'Reilly on that.

What's that you guys on the right keep saying about "real" "good" Muslims (not muslin, by the way - that's a fabric, not a religion) speaking out against the misrepresentation of their religion by the radical few?

Maybe y'all should tend your own back yard, eh? ;)

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I get that we should be holding reporters to higher standards of general thruthiness (not that we really do... but we should) but I still don't understand what the problem is with Juan Williams quoting a muslin terrorist and saying he gets nervous. But then I forget, we simple folk just aren't capable of recognizing bigotry on our own without liberal assistance.

It seems you AREN'T capable of recognizing bigotry. There are right-wing people on this website who still to this day claim that Glenn Beck never once said that the President hates white people and is a racist, despite the video proof FROM FOX that shows him saying exactly that!

So yeah, if you guys can't see bigotry when it slaps you in the face, I think you're probably beyond assistance.

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That being said, that point about terrorist not dressing in typical Muslim garb while doing very bad things was a good point. I wonder how many folks never thought about that. Maybe evidence like that would change more minds than firing folk.

Ya think? Hell, *I* brought it up, and nobody wanted to discuss the reality of it. They want to focus on the "wrongness" of a network firing someone who wanted to go to work for Fox for a fat pay raise. I pointed out early on that not one Muslim hijacker I can think of has been wearing "traditional Muslim garb". Seems like you're the first to actually notice that and think about it. Clearly, it ain't easy to educate right-wingers, because facts have no place in their reality.

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Monday, October 25, 2010 9:57 AM

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Murdoch never said why he fired Hill

THAT'S MY POINT ! THANK YOU!

So don't go running around and yapping about " what's good for the goose is good for the gander ". That's just pure NONSENSE !

Hill is liberal on a middle / conservative news network, while Williams is a liberal on a ( presumed ) neutral but actually Left wing news network.

As for Horowitz, a former Lefty, and his points as to why Hill was speaking out on certain topics on which his background had zero relevancy - guess what ? He was correct!

Blame FOX for putting Hill on, who wasn't qualified to discuss such issues, but regardless, that has zero to do w/the issues Williams was fired, and then mocked and trashed, by the suits at NPR. No such thing happened to Hill by Murdoch, or anyone from the FOX exec staff.

And the claim that Williams spoke one way on NPR and another on FOX, seems specious at best. He may have talked on other issues, but where he did speak , he seems pretty consistent, which ever network he's on. He just doesn't tow the party line, either way. And I guess that pissed off NPR more than those at FOX.

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."

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Monday, October 25, 2010 10:20 AM

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When has any speaker on the right ever had copious amounts of statistics and research on his side?

Think ya might be missing my point in your heroic efforts to fling poo into anything remotely conservative. Most of what I said can be applied to the right as much as the left, and that was intentional. Also, "The View" as a reference makes me giggle, but supports my argument on the dangers of being showing an opinion in public. O'Reilly should be prepared to take criticism for his remarks, but he wasn't fired for them. What O'Reilly said was way worse the Juan William's voicing his anxiety.

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What's that you guys on the right keep saying about "real" "good" Muslims (not muslin, by the way - that's a fabric, not a religion) speaking out against the misrepresentation of their religion by the radical few?

Maybe y'all should tend your own back yard, eh? ;)

What's all this "you guys" talk? Say that sounds a little bigoted ;) but I'm not of like to assuming the worst. 'Sides, you correct my grammar and helped me figure out what was wrong with my car. Anyway, I am fairly conservative, but I'm not republican. Kind of like how I'm a Christian but not a Catholic and am not socially responsible for the crusades and the inquisition, but some people have a hard time understanding things like that...

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It seems you AREN'T capable of recognizing bigotry. There are right-wing people on this website who still to this day claim that Glenn Beck never once said that the President hates white people and is a racist, despite the video proof FROM FOX that shows him saying exactly that!

So yeah, if you guys can't see bigotry when it slaps you in the face, I think you're probably beyond assistance.

Of course. All us non-liberals look alike, think alike and act alike right? Also, Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly speak for every one of 'us.' Oh and Sara Palin too, ya know cause we can't have our own opinions or think for ourselves. That's why we need good liberals to tell us what to do and how to think correctly. We're just no good on our own...

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Clearly, it ain't easy to educate right-wingers, because facts have no place in their reality.

Would you listen to a teacher that started every lesson with "this is how you are wrong?" As a teacher I resent that remark, but I understand you're probably voicing frustrations over people who aren't listening. Effective teaching is based off of redirection and positive reinforcement. But that's not entirely relevant this this conversation.

I'm sorry you're intelligent comments didn't get the attention they deserved, but that's be no means an issue exclusive of the right, or the left.

Bigot... Racism... those words are over used, kinda like penicillin was, and now that they are applied to everything they are quickly becoming ineffective descriptors.

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Monday, October 25, 2010 2:42 PM

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Think ya might be missing my point in your heroic efforts to fling poo into anything remotely conservative.

Sorry, but you're flinging poo on anything remotely progressive when you say things like "we simple folk just aren't capable of recognizing bigotry on our own without liberal assistance."

I know you don't think you're bashing "liberals", and I realize you feel you're being insulted, but I'm showing you that it cuts both ways. You ARE liberal-bashing with that crap, so you kinda lose your rights to whinge about how you're being lumped in a group when you yourself are showing the same behavior.

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Monday, October 25, 2010 3:12 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Think ya might be missing my point in your heroic efforts to fling poo into anything remotely conservative.

Sorry, but you're flinging poo on anything remotely progressive when you say things like "we simple folk just aren't capable of recognizing bigotry on our own without liberal assistance."

I know you don't think you're bashing "liberals", and I realize you feel you're being insulted, but I'm showing you that it cuts both ways. You ARE liberal-bashing with that crap, so you kinda lose your rights to whinge about how you're being lumped in a group when you yourself are showing the same behavior.

The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.

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I hate Obama's America. You're damn right about that.

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Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

Or I'm mocking bigotry accusations in general, among other things. I imagine you might feel the same way concerning socialism. But while we are flinging the metaphorical poo, how come you can't defend something on it's own merits without trying to deflect attention to something else that is arguably 'the same or worse?' (and yes I realize that ain't unique to you or libs)

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Monday, October 25, 2010 3:13 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Think ya might be missing my point in your heroic efforts to fling poo into anything remotely conservative.

Sorry, but you're flinging poo on anything remotely progressive when you say things like "we simple folk just aren't capable of recognizing bigotry on our own without liberal assistance."

I know you don't think you're bashing "liberals", and I realize you feel you're being insulted, but I'm showing you that it cuts both ways. You ARE liberal-bashing with that crap, so you kinda lose your rights to whinge about how you're being lumped in a group when you yourself are showing the same behavior.

The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.

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Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

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Monday, October 25, 2010 3:20 PM

When was the last time you or anyone else defended something "on its own merits" around here? You defended Christianity because "it's the word of God" - that's hardly "its own merits", since your defense of it is based ENTIRELY on your own subjective beliefs, about which you've freely admitted you CAN'T discuss on their own merits.

Sure, you can say you're a good person, and it's because of Christianity, but *I'm* a good person, too - and I have no gods at all.

What you see as "deflecting", I see as pointing out the hypocrisy of others. Tomato, to-mah-toe, I s'pose...

If I point out that one group of people had NO problem with the crap Bush pulled, but now are apoplectic over Obama seeming to pull the same crap, I'm told that it is IN NO WAY hypocritical of them to say these things. So I have to wonder, if it's NOT because one's a Democrat and the other a Republican, what *OTHER* differences are there between the two men? ;)

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Monday, October 25, 2010 3:50 PM

Out of all I said, you take my belief that the bible is the word of God, transcribed by man to the best their abilities as my defense and completely ignore the positive examples of religious people helping their fellow man I provided.

Also, I never claimed to be a good man, though I might have said something to the effect of my religion made me who I am or it made me a better person. I a little wary of any self proclaimed gentleman, good person, and the like. IMO for that to mean something, it's gotta come from someone not themselves. I don't mean to claim to be a good man or better than anyone else, I'm just a guy doing my best.

I'm not sure what the point is on arguing further. I'm not implying the right isn't guilty of deflecting, I'm more saying I'm sick of seeing it from all sources. I fail so see how my religious beliefs are relevant to this, but I guess you'll tell me it's my own fault because of my catholic analogy.

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Monday, October 25, 2010 3:51 PM

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Mr. Williams also made reference to the Pakistani immigrant who pleaded guilty this month to trying to plant a car bomb in Times Square. “He said the war with Muslims, America’s war is just beginning, first drop of blood. I don’t think there’s any way to get away from these facts,” Mr. Williams said.

A war against Muslims?

It's not personal. It's just war.

Maybe Juan got fired for being just a really not very good journalist, and getting fundamental facts wrong in his stories (or making up quotes which were never said).

Seems Mr. Shazad never said "first drop of BLOOD", but rather, "the first drop of the flood".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-moore/juan-williams-is-right-po_
b_772766.html?ref=fb&src=sp#sb=919574,b=facebook

How long before Rappy decries this story and this source?

5... 4... 3... 2...

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Tuesday, October 26, 2010 8:10 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Trader, yes, I noticed the religion remark too and was sad to see it. That shouldn't come into any other discussion than one about religion, and you definitely didn't say Christianity was the "Word of God", you said the Bible, and I don't believe we have to caveat everything with "I believe", etc. when it comes to faith. Faith IS a belief, whatever religion it comes from.

And you did say religion made you who you are, I remember that too. That has nothing to do with saying you're a good person, I say the same of buddhism...it has helped me WANT to try and be a better person, and to try to be, but that's not saying I'm a good person.

It's pretty typical here for people to remember part of something and not all, and unfortunately far too typical for some to regurgitate what we write incorrectly to make a point. Some do it quite deliberately; I don't think Mike did.

Just posting this to add my memory.

As to the rest of this thread, going into the nuances of Fox v. NPR is a waste of time, really. The decisions can't be dissected to say why this or that, since what is said publicly might have nothing to do with reality. The mere fact that Fox rarely has anyone on who represnts reasonable liberal views speasks for itself, as far as I'm concerned. They're a wing of the Republican party and foment hatred and fear, so they're not valid in any discussion as far as I'm concerned. As far as NPR, I don't listen to them so can't comment, but I have gotten the impression they're liberal.

As to what was said, I feel strongly that it was wrong. It's no different than other things said on Fox insofar as it gives credence to people's fears rather than confronting them and making the valid point that a real terrorist wouldn't dress in Muslim garb, so it's a groundless fear. Again, it aids the terrorist's agenda, which is to make us fear...something Fox does consistently and effectively.

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Tuesday, October 26, 2010 8:54 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Just FYI, from NPR:

Quote:
"Juan's comments on Fox News last Monday were the latest in a series of deeply troubling incidents over several years," Schiller said in the memo. "In each of those instances, he was contacted and the incident was discussed with him. He was explicitly and repeatedly asked to respect NPR's standards and to avoid expressing strong personal opinions on controversial subjects in public settings, as that is inconsistent with his role as an NPR news analyst.

"After this latest incident, we felt compelled to act. I acknowledge that reasonable people can disagree about timing: whether NPR should have ended our relationship with Juan earlier, on the occasion of other incidents; or whether this final episode warranted immediate termination of his contract."

So it wasn't about this specific instance, there's more to it. Not that it matters, as this is what people got all fired up about, but I got the hint that it was about more than one episode before, and this confirms it.

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Tuesday, October 26, 2010 11:49 AM

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Originally posted by TheHappyTrader:
Out of all I said, you take my belief that the bible is the word of God, transcribed by man to the best their abilities as my defense and completely ignore the positive examples of religious people helping their fellow man I provided.

Also, I never claimed to be a good man, though I might have said something to the effect of my religion made me who I am or it made me a better person. I a little wary of any self proclaimed gentleman, good person, and the like. IMO for that to mean something, it's gotta come from someone not themselves. I don't mean to claim to be a good man or better than anyone else, I'm just a guy doing my best.

I'm not sure what the point is on arguing further. I'm not implying the right isn't guilty of deflecting, I'm more saying I'm sick of seeing it from all sources. I fail so see how my religious beliefs are relevant to this, but I guess you'll tell me it's my own fault because of my catholic analogy.

Apologies, Trader. That probably did cross a line - a line I can't really see, because I have no religious beliefs at all, and thus nothing is "blasphemous" to me. I threw out something on the fly, and should have found better fodder to debate with.

By the way, YOU didn't say you're a good person, but I still think you tend to BE a pretty good person. All any of us can do is try.

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Tuesday, October 26, 2010 1:24 PM

It's okay, religion and politics tends to work people up, and my being religious sometimes means I have to be extra careful in that respect.

Back to the thread, if Juan was deliberately misquoting and guilty of violating his contract on multiple occasions, then perhaps all NPR really is guilty of is bad timing. I'm sure this isn't helping their fund raising right now.

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Tuesday, October 26, 2010 1:34 PM