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Friday, November 12, 2010 12:38 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


No, not Kanye, our Kane. --I started to write "couldn't resist", but that's not true, I didn't even TRY to resist this:

Kane is always professing he's not racist, usually by saying he was joking or being sarcastic or something. But that is PRECISELY like telling a racist joke and everyone laughing at it...it's not funny, and the person telling the joke IS a racist. So here are a few recent examples, next time our Kane claims he's not racist or homophobic (what's the word for "homosexual HATER"? IS there one for those who aren't necessarily afraid of homosexuals, just plain outright hate them?):
Quote:

10/23/10: I would never say gays should not serve in the military(the more that die..the better). Serving "out of the closet" is a different story. I'll tell you a secret... MOST heterosexuals are creeped out by gays(always will be)....Bad for morale. I would think that's a military reason. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=45847&m=810474#810474

10/31/2010: You are more likely to be liberal if....
You believe blacks are just as smart as whites
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=45969&m=812301#812301

11/11/2010: Now, I say what I said before..fuck that stupid nigger. Rap away, Whore out expensive sneakers to the other poor niggers that should spend money more wise-GeneralLEE, live in a suburb and keep on acting street.....I laugh at the plight of the blackman, 'cause it is the other nigger that is his parasite....
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=46174

11/12/2010: That monkey can't say "I'm sorry"...he did the next best thing...which all blacks do...in ebonics it means the same thing....
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=46174 to remember next time DT complains about epithets or says "teabagger" is equivalent to "cocksucker". We ain't got nothin' on Kane, man. (No offense, DT, I understand now what you were saying, I'm just using you as an example here.)

Now I get to ignore all the responses, because I already know what they will be...and yeah, this is an out-and-out snark because what he writes sickens me.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off





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Friday, November 12, 2010 12:48 PM

WHOZIT


Talk about the pot calling the......oh wait, if I say black am "I" a bigot?

You've said some icky things about Republicans, Sarah Palin and me, stop trying to shame people to make them agree with you.

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Friday, November 12, 2010 4:47 PM

DREAMTROVE


Niki

I'm sorry...

Many points. First

0) I said except Kane in just about every post I made on the topic. Also I excepted PN.

That was my point about your attack on me, so it was point zero. But more to the point, do you pay no attention to your fellow members?


1) Kane is a she, not a he. This is an undisputed fact mentioned many times on this board by Kane, and many others.

2) Kane has consistently claimed to be black since the very first post, a claim only disputed by people who think she is RiveR6213.

3) Kane is gay, which is also an undisputed fact posted many times by Kane.

4) Kane is insane, a fact which also is undisputed by anyone including Kane.


5) This is a personal attack thread, which are considered out of place on RWED, and belong perhaps in troll country.


But revisiting the first points

Kane has been 32 for four years, but beside that, black, female, 32, gay was on that profile IIRC for all of those four years.

Lesbian republican lunatics might be rare, and the theory is that River is Kane for the sake of mouthing off, but River is 48 and white.

Seriously though, people who are actually certifiable get some break.


Plea to River, if you are Kane, give it a rest. I much prefer the old River. The new bolder Kane is hard to stomach.

I mean RiverLove=River6213, but is a user I actually like. A lot of people do not concur.

The personality known as Kane at times is similar and more tolerable than lately, but lately it's been all troll and no serious discussion. I think we've been here for many years as a group, It's time to gorram accept each other.


RiverDancer is an unrelated user. I can't think of any other river's offhand.


But also, no personal attack threads please.

Kane, please give it a rest. I would like to know who I'm talking about. Mike seems convinced you are River, and since you were humping his leg all summer, maybe he knows.



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Friday, November 12, 2010 4:47 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


KKKaney is handy for one thing: Every time the tea party people around here try to tell us there are no racists among them, all one has to do is haul ol' KKKaney out and put him on display. Case closed.

And as long as he represents the tea parties and isn't repudiated by their followers, KKKaney *IS* the face of the tea party.


The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.

AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, September 24, 2010
I hate Obama's America. You're damn right about that.


Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.


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Friday, November 12, 2010 4:56 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:


1) Kane is a she, not a he. This is an undisputed fact mentioned many times on this board by Kane, and many others.



"Kane" has also claimed to be a white man, a 14-year-old boy, and any number of other people. None of which can be relied upon to be accurate. He also posts a lot about stroking his cock. Maybe he's a Thai ladyboy.

Quote:

2) Kane has consistently claimed to be black since the very first post, a claim only disputed by people who think she is RiveR6213.


Actually, Kane has professed to HATE blacks, and claims they are less intelligent. If "Kane" is black, there are some serious self-esteem issues there.

Quote:


3) Kane is gay, which is also an undisputed fact posted many times by Kane.



It's also his/her/its default position for anyone who disagrees with "Kane", too. So you can't really take "Kane's" word for that. Or for anything else.

Quote:


4) Kane is insane, a fact which also is undisputed by anyone including Kane.



You may be on to something.

Quote:


5) This is a personal attack thread, which are considered out of place on RWED, and belong perhaps in troll country.



Isn't this place full of personal attack threads? Seriously.




The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.

AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, September 24, 2010
I hate Obama's America. You're damn right about that.


Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.


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Saturday, November 13, 2010 3:51 AM

KANEMAN


Let me be clear on this...I am not a racist. I am a realist. I love black people(I am black retards), but I do see the difference in races. I have lived with my kind as a young girl in Tanzania and when my parents moved to bridgeport. Then as an adult I was fortunate enough to move away from the minority community and live among you whites. What a difference. I know through personal and cultural experience that there is no excuse for the way minorities are living. The destruction of their lawns and homes, our value structure, No responsible fathers(men), and zero initiative to make things better. Blame Blame Blame. I blame it on the government for purposely making it easy for blacks to be FAILERS......


A) I am a girl....36yrs. old
B) I find it hilarious that I upset Niki2...Fuck her.
C) 99% of the time I am joking. If you can't see that lighten up.
D) I am not nor have I ever been River6213.
E) I hate gays like Kwicko. Hate em. Nothing worse than a shitty dick or cum in a goat-tee(unless you are Rob Halford...He gets a pass)
F) Insane? not at all.
G) THIS THREAD BELONGS IN TROLL COUNTRY...and you would think mother hen would know better. well, it's true............

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Saturday, November 13, 2010 4:32 AM

DREAMTROVE


Kane,

1) I see I was right on the 36
2) I was right on the female
3) I was right on the black
4) you didn't comment on gay, but I think you have before. You respond to my posts on girls the way gay girls I've dated do, and they've been most of the girls I've dated. I actually like to keep it that way: When I notice another woman I want to hear "That's what I'm talking about, baby" and not get a slap. Those slapper girls are probably just closet lesbians. Hmm.
5) You're insane. We all are, you just show it more. Or to quote Buffy "Anyone who claims to be completely sane is either lying or not very bright."
6) You so want Mikey.
7) How was Tanzania? The only person I can think of from your country off the top of my head is Freddie Mercury. He was gay. And pretty awesome. And not technically speaking white, though I think he tried to pass, even to the point of wearing make up at times like Michael Jackson. Who was also gay, but from Gary, which may be why he was less cool than Freddie.


ETA: Your G was my 5. *(does that have a double meaning? I don't think so) Anyway, I don't want it to go there yet, because no one would see the responses. Sometimes these attitudes need discussing. I remember an attack thread on PN that resulted in a pile on PN because people didn't see the wrongness of it, which caused me to leave for like 6 mos.

People have to stop seeing enemies and start seeing friends.

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Saturday, November 13, 2010 7:52 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Quote:

7) How was Tanzania?

He doesn't even know how to pronounce Tanzania.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Saturday, November 13, 2010 7:54 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


The only way to tell Kane is lying is to read his posts. Anything he types about himself is probably a lie. He says he’s one thing one day, another the next. Means nothing. I don’t care if he’s a sickpuppy or if so, whose he is. It’s immaterial

I notice you didn’t suggest (as far as I remember) the several threads which were aimed at me belonged in troll country, with my name in the title and everything. To say this one does, when far more vicious things are written to/about me daily, is immaterial..

Saying he's joking is a transparent copout, and he knows it. As I said initially, writing stuff like he does then claiming to be joking is PRECISELY like telling a racist joke then, if someone complains it's racist, saying "Aw, c'mon, it was just a joke". He’s a racist, end of story. "Well, it's true".

Telling him to knock it off is pissing into the wind. He doesn’t know how to and he doesn’t care. He just enjoys verbal masturbation.

PN is more easily ignorable, Whozit completely so; Kane is just disgusting.

People who are certifiable do get a break; people who are degenerate reprobates AND certifiable get none from me.

That's my rant on the subject, and now I will return to attempting to respond civilly as much as I can.

Thank you for your responses. I found them interesting. Well, aside from the obvious, which was repetitively boring.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off




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Saturday, November 13, 2010 5:43 PM

KANEMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
The only way to tell Kane is lying is to read his posts. Anything he types about himself is probably a lie. He says he’s one thing one day, another the next. Means nothing. I don’t care if he’s a sickpuppy or if so, whose he is. It’s immaterial

I notice you didn’t suggest (as far as I remember) the several threads which were aimed at me belonged in troll country, with my name in the title and everything. To say this one does, when far more vicious things are written to/about me daily, is immaterial..

Saying he's joking is a transparent copout, and he knows it. As I said initially, writing stuff like he does then claiming to be joking is PRECISELY like telling a racist joke then, if someone complains it's racist, saying "Aw, c'mon, it was just a joke". He’s a racist, end of story. "Well, it's true".

Telling him to knock it off is pissing into the wind. He doesn’t know how to and he doesn’t care. He just enjoys verbal masturbation.

PN is more easily ignorable, Whozit completely so; Kane is just disgusting.

People who are certifiable do get a break; people who are degenerate reprobates AND certifiable get none from me.

That's my rant on the subject, and now I will return to attempting to respond civilly as much as I can.

Thank you for your responses. I found them interesting. Well, aside from the obvious, which was repetitively boring.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off






Let me ask this you hippie tard. What is wrong with a racist joke? Is not every joke offensive(well, good ones...knock knocks don't count)? So jokes about gays, women, white men, politics, democrats, republicans, farts, horse shit, etc....are fine. But don't tell a black joke, a latino joke,a racist joke. I'll let you in on a secret...it is only racist to liberals not in on the joke. See, we blacks make jokes about ourselves all the time, as do latinos, as do you whites. Why are you offended? What makes a black joke or observation so appauling to you? What guilt do you hold? You are the racist. You think you are helping out others at the same time splitting the bill....Think about it. then go finger your girlfriend you old dusty cunt....

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Saturday, November 13, 2010 5:45 PM

KANEMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
Quote:

7) How was Tanzania?

He doesn't even know how to pronounce Tanzania.

It's not personal. It's just war.




Sure I can....I can also pronounce gofuckyouselfania

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Saturday, November 13, 2010 5:51 PM

KANEMAN


DT..."you are insane"







Not at all my friend....

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Saturday, November 13, 2010 7:36 PM

DREAMTROVE


KPO

Not sure who you're talking about, but it depends on your tribal ethnic background actually, you can spell it in radical different ways. None of them will rhyme with Plasmania.

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Saturday, November 13, 2010 8:13 PM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:

DT..."you are insane"


Yes and your point is?

Oh, you were talking about yourself.

Almost too easy.

A7x is okay. they're a decent start on a band, maybe with time. And a little more music. I can't yet think of a single american symph band that really gets it. I actually like evanescence for this, but it's still not on a par with most of amy's scandanavian counterparts. But at least you are speaking my language now.

Sorry, this is clipped, and with lyrics, all the other recordings were some camera phone at a concert, it doesn't do it justice. Hell, it's hard to play any of this stuff without a subwoofer and really get the experience.


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Sunday, November 14, 2010 8:18 AM

LILI

Doing it backwards. Walking up the downslide.


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:


1) Kane is a she, not a he. This is an undisputed fact mentioned many times on this board by Kane, and many others.



"Kane" has also claimed to be a white man, a 14-year-old boy, and any number of other people. None of which can be relied upon to be accurate. He also posts a lot about stroking his cock. Maybe he's a Thai ladyboy.

Quote:

2) Kane has consistently claimed to be black since the very first post, a claim only disputed by people who think she is RiveR6213.


Actually, Kane has professed to HATE blacks, and claims they are less intelligent. If "Kane" is black, there are some serious self-esteem issues there.

Quote:


3) Kane is gay, which is also an undisputed fact posted many times by Kane.



It's also his/her/its default position for anyone who disagrees with "Kane", too. So you can't really take "Kane's" word for that. Or for anything else.

Quote:


4) Kane is insane, a fact which also is undisputed by anyone including Kane.



You may be on to something.

Quote:


5) This is a personal attack thread, which are considered out of place on RWED, and belong perhaps in troll country.



Isn't this place full of personal attack threads? Seriously.


Reposted for emphasis.


I'm quite sure that many of these 'claims' that are made are seen as some kind of excuse or pass to be hateful. "What? I don't hate women, because after all I am one! What? I don't hate black people, because after all I am one! I am allowed to make these statements and call them jokes, because I am a gay black woman and therefore beyond reproach when bashing anyone."
Yeah, I don't buy a word of it.


Facts are stubborn things.

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Sunday, November 14, 2010 9:07 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Lili: right on. I haven't bought it for a long time either, nor ever will. And I think the reasons are specifically what you elucidated.

As to "jokes", I have no use for demeaning "jokes" which denegrate gays, women, white men, politics, democrats, republicans either...farts and horse shit are okay, they aren't people. But aside from that, what Kane posts aren't even jokes, they're out-and-out racist, hateful statements, anyone can see that.

I say that to others who might care, obviously it's pissing in the wind to say it to Kane.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off




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Sunday, November 14, 2010 9:30 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


One of the best ever jokes:

"They laughed when I said I was going to be a comedian ... They're not laughing now."



It's not personal. It's just war.

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Sunday, November 14, 2010 11:52 AM

DREAMTROVE


No one is getting the concept of troll.

Kane will post whatever she thinks will make you jump, and you say how high. I'm afraid that Kane has more psychological skill than her detractors.

Hell, if she thought you guys would freak if she defended Obama she would do so.

The truth is anybodies guess, but statistically people tell the truth 90% of the time, even when they're lying. The most consistent statements from Kane were what I drew my information from. Consistently, Kane has not been a racist. I think she noticed everyone jumping on wulf, and wanted to see how far what I'm sure she sees as monkeyopolis would jump if she took it over the edge.

I'm becoming convinced that Kaneman is not River6213, in part because the person who made the call made another similar call based on similar data which I've since proven to be in error, so I question not the user, but the methodology. Kaneman has never claimed to be river.

Speaking of which, where is River?

Anyway, my call would be that Kane is a black woman in her 30s in connecticut and she is laughing her ass off right now not at what we don't know about her, but at how little we know about ourselves.

She is insane though. ;)

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Sunday, November 14, 2010 12:58 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


1) kane is a 14 year old troll
2) It has hair all over its body and tusks instead of teeth
3) it is neither male nor female but a hermaphrodite
4) it lays two eggs a year which hatch into identical trolls and are ready to use the internet independantly within 6 months of hatching
5) it eats goat

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Sunday, November 14, 2010 1:20 PM

CANTTAKESKY


Of all the people in RWED, Kane has never chastised me or given me any grief about anything--that I can recall. Maybe my memory is bad, but if it is true, it is quite strange.

For what it's worth, thanks Kaneman. Maybe you and I should start the Evil League of Evil together.

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Arrogant and proud of it.

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Sunday, November 14, 2010 2:53 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
1) kane is a 14 year old troll
2) It has hair all over its body and tusks instead of teeth
3) it is neither male nor female but a hermaphrodite
4) it lays two eggs a year which hatch into identical trolls and are ready to use the internet independantly within 6 months of hatching
5) it eats goat




I think you meant goatse.

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Sunday, November 14, 2010 3:11 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by canttakesky:
Of all the people in RWED, Kane has never chastised me or given me any grief about anything--that I can recall. Maybe my memory is bad, but if it is true, it is quite strange.

For what it's worth, thanks Kaneman. Maybe you and I should start the Evil League of Evil together.

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Arrogant and proud of it.


So you don't mind that he responds to others posts with nothing but personal attacks?

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Sunday, November 14, 2010 3:11 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
1) kane is a 14 year old troll
2) It has hair all over its body and tusks instead of teeth
3) it is neither male nor female but a hermaphrodite
4) it lays two eggs a year which hatch into identical trolls and are ready to use the internet independantly within 6 months of hatching
5) it eats goat




I think you meant goatse.


*snort*

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Sunday, November 14, 2010 3:19 PM

DREAMTROVE


CTTS

Same here.


Life is short. Fight less. Hate less.

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Sunday, November 14, 2010 3:26 PM

CANTTAKESKY


Magon, Kaneman's been kinder to me than you have. I felt I should thank him/her for that kindness.

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Sunday, November 14, 2010 4:43 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Oh really, because I've constantly called you a gay pig dog from hell. Constantly.

No, that's right, I've just disagreed with you on, hmmm one or two occasions. How shocking that must be for someone who comes on a discussion board.

Nice to see that you can stand by and see your fellow FFF.net fans take abuse, as long as it doesn't happen to you, it's all good. You can see how the Third Reich happened. "I'm not Jewish, it's not my family being taken away and persecuted, so the Nazis must be all right!"

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Sunday, November 14, 2010 4:53 PM

CANTTAKESKY


Yeah, I've never been called a gay pig dog from hell. But I've been compared to Nazi enablers.

So why not thank someone who hasn't attacked me for a change? Kaneman's never called me a gay pig dog from hell OR compared me to Nazi enablers.

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Arrogant and proud of it.

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Sunday, November 14, 2010 4:55 PM

CANTTAKESKY


Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
CTTS

Same here.

Is that good or bad? LOL

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Sunday, November 14, 2010 5:05 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by canttakesky:
Yeah, I've never been called a gay pig dog from hell. But I've been compared to Nazi enablers.


It's called an analogy.

Quote:

So why not thank someone who hasn't attacked me for a change? Kaneman's never called me a gay pig dog from hell OR compared me to Nazi enablers.

----
Arrogant and proud of it.



I don't know if I've seen anyone attack you. I've seen people pick holes in your arguments and discuss your strategies, but I don't know if I've seen you attacked. then again, I haven't been here that long.

What I have seen is a couple of posters, like whozit and kaneman constantly attack, often using obscenities, other posters without any prior provocation.

Niki in particular

From kaneman -
'Nikki2 could bring all that weed she smokes.

I'd try to make her shave her armpits and legs. Maybe even get her to comb her hair.

She'd cry.

I'd laugh.

Then, seeing she's an old hippie, I'd say I'm sorry, she'd HAVE to forgive me, and I'd bang her with a strap-on......I'd watch that.'
Charming stuff. I'd say that was quite different from people arguing or snarking at one another. It's pure nasty stuff.

SO if you want to thank kaneman for bringing all that sort of dross on here, just because he doesn't do it personally to you (or to me either for that matter) then,

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Sunday, November 14, 2010 5:27 PM

MAL4PREZ


Entertaining. It's not arrogance as much as a complete lack of any sense of fairness or empathy. As long as CTS and DT are out of the attack zone, the assholes can say whatever they want to everyone else. Yeah. Nice.

And these folks wonder why other RWED posters have poor opinions of them. No, it's not bias against whatever political or social group you place yourself in. It's the continual bias and hypocrisy you show here, most shamelessly on this thread. Next I suppose you'll start whinging about how the other posters are sooooo mean and we should start policing our own, just like you always expect respectful behavior from your own....

Oh wait. Never mind. You've already checked that particular hypocrisy off your list, and you did it with whole-hearted enthusiasm, I must say.

Methinks that there's either a shared brain or a very well-used sock between the lot of them. Or maybe both.

ETA: But I do understand why CTS finds the disagreements with her more offensive than the hollow BS Kaneman posts. His stuff is a bunch of pathetic teenaged boy hooey, easily dismissed and ignored, while the challenges to CTS's twisted logic touch on the truth of her dysfunctions. Unwelcome reality is unpleasant for those who try so hard to hide from it.

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Sunday, November 14, 2010 5:46 PM

CANTTAKESKY


Some of you (you know who you are) already have such a low opinion of me, leap to assume the worst of me, and continually tell me how horrible (hypocritical, dishonest, selfish, arrogant, insensitive, incapable of empathy, unfair, idiotic, uneducated, twisted, offensive, pathetic, etc.) I am....

...what do I have to lose by speaking a word of appreciation to someone who has never said those things of me? That I'd lose your good graces? (Snicker. Snort.)

If a racist, homophobic, anti-semitic, drunk Monsanto employee happens to hold a door for an old lady, is she not allowed to say, "Thank you"?

Or must she refuse to walk through the door as long as this distasteful man is holding the door, while showing as much disdain as she can muster?

(Actually I'd respect her either way, but I digress.)

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Sunday, November 14, 2010 10:05 PM

DREAMTROVE


I really have no tolerance for petty at the moment.

Clearly no one read my other post :(

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Monday, November 15, 2010 2:31 AM

CANTTAKESKY


Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I really have no tolerance for petty at the moment.

Clearly no one read my other post :(



You mean this?

"Life is short. Fight less. Hate less."

But that's what RWED is for: fighting and hating away our short little lives.

I tried to fight and hate less. But then HK helped me see that I was simply repressing it, and the fight/hate was coming out in passive aggressive ways. So now I'm not repressing it anymore. They snark, I'm going to snark back.

It's like asking the Israelis and Palestinians to stop their war.

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Monday, November 15, 2010 2:35 AM

KANEMAN


DT "Anyway, my call would be that Kane is a black woman in her 30s in connecticut and she is laughing her ass off right now not at what we don't know about her, but at how little we know about ourselves."

DT, You are a bit quick for these fools. I have always said I'm laughing at these uptight fools. You have it correct above except one thing...But i am impressed...


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Monday, November 15, 2010 2:41 AM

KANEMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
1) kane is a 14 year old troll
2) It has hair all over its body and tusks instead of teeth
3) it is neither male nor female but a hermaphrodite
4) it lays two eggs a year which hatch into identical trolls and are ready to use the internet independantly within 6 months of hatching
5) it eats goat




How is this any different than me posting I want to rape Nikki2? Or that Kwicko likes dicks? Or that you are a retard? I don't get it . There seems to be a double standard at play...shame on you. Well, it's true......

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Monday, November 15, 2010 4:37 AM

DREAMTROVE


Kane

I thought you would be on the prionistic behavior of this model, ie, that it turns them into you. I'll grant, it's an interesting study in psychology.

Still perhaps you're doing the same thing over and over again, and if you're expecting different results...


ETA: one thing on that line, or in the entire post?

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Monday, November 15, 2010 4:41 AM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:

Originally posted by canttakesky:
Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I really have no tolerance for petty at the moment.

Clearly no one read my other post :(



You mean this?

"Life is short. Fight less. Hate less."

But that's what RWED is for: fighting and hating away our short little lives.

I tried to fight and hate less. But then HK helped me see that I was simply repressing it, and the fight/hate was coming out in passive aggressive ways. So now I'm not repressing it anymore. They snark, I'm going to snark back.

It's like asking the Israelis and Palestinians to stop their war.

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Understand that would take reading one of the two posts I made about it.

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Monday, November 15, 2010 7:59 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I believe the post to which DT was referring starts out
Quote:

No one is getting the concept of troll.” Correct me if I’m wrong. But a lot of what he says in that post is accurate, insofar as the verbal masturbation and deliberate triggering by Kane.

Kane will post whatever she thinks will make you jump, and you say how high. I'm afraid that Kane has more psychological skill than her detractors.

Hell, if she thought you guys would freak if she defended Obama she would do so.

......

She is insane though. ;)

I think that part is correct, and we’ve pretty much known it for a long time. The fact Kane hasn’t gone after DT is viable, in that he feels no personal animosity because of that. And he recognizes the bottom line, that Kane enjoys shocking and is insane. I agree with that aspect of your post, DT. As to who or what Kane is, I don’t care...whatever he says he is, I just assume it to be a lie as it changes all the time.

“That it turns them into you” is correct, in its way; but in now way excuses that he’s deliberately ATTEMPTING to trigger others into responding as he does, and that’s stupid and an insane reason for joining a group of any kind. It’s trolling, in a very real sense. I’m guessing that by “prionistic” you are referring to “prions” (“protein particles that lack nucleic acid and are believed to be the cause of various infectious diseases of the nervous system”). If you are, that’s brilliant; his ugliness (lacking any logic or reasonability, i.e., nucleic acid) can cause those it “infects” to get the “disease” of being ugly in return. I love it.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off




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Monday, November 15, 2010 8:00 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Magons was in no way saying anyone was a Nazi enabler. She was saying that not calling out Kane for his filth to other posters is a bad thing, and she said “YOU can see how the Third Reich happened”, which IS an analogy, not calling YOU a Nazi enabler. She was making a point. In my opinion you either read it through the veil of your own feelings, or wanted to use it as a comeback. I’m assuming the former.

On the other hand, I view thanking someone who is vicious to other posters for not being vicious to YOU illogical. Your analogy of the old woman doesn’t work...a more accurate analogy would be if group of women walked by and a couple of guys shouted obscenities at them, and one did nothing...to then say “thank you” to the guy who did nothing, but stood by silently and let it happen, doesn’t make a lot of sense. I think Mal called that right in that it’s a lack of fairness and empathy.

By “some of you (you know who you are)”, I’m hoping you don’t mean me. I don’t have a low opinion of you and I’m not aware that I’ve attacked you in any way, only disagreed (perhaps vehemently) at times. I’m hoping “But that's what RWED is for: fighting and hating away our short little lives” was sarcasm; it’s certainly not how I view it. I see it as a place to converse, discuss and debate, with a few people who seem to have nothing to offer but hate. The rest, I see as disagreeing (somewhat vehemently at times), but exchanging ideas and opinions. Given those are usually on politics, it’s not surprising it gets heated.


My only response to Kane is
Quote:

How is this any different than me posting I want to rape Nikki2? Or that Kwicko likes dicks? Or that you are a retard? I don't get it
shows either that you truly don’t get it, or more likely, that you CHOOSE to pretend you don’t get it. I’m guessing the latter. There’s a vast difference. What Magons wrote is obviously a snark and has no basis in reality. If you wanted to play YOUR game, you could say it’s just a joke, which it reads like What you write to me and others is deliberately vicious personal attacks: “I’m gonna do to you”, in other words, and calling people cunts and fags—that you don’t recognize the difference (if that’s the case) shows you don’t have any real sense of personal interaction.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off




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Monday, November 15, 2010 8:03 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I don’t see it as turning him “into one of them”, because of the dissimilarity between the level of his attacks and the level of “theirs”, but I do see something in this thread that is illuminating.

What I see is those on one side saying things which are valid, as I explained above, but which are put-downs...they are written in a manner which disagrees about Kane, and some include snarks, but they’re missing the epithets and unreality of Kane’s snarks...he’s very deliberately personal, obscene and vicious in his attacks. However, a large number of people disagreeing, sometimes somewhat vehemently, and accusations of unfairness, hypocrisy, etc. I think Mal4 nailed it well
Quote:

But I do understand why CTS finds the disagreements with her more offensive than the hollow BS Kaneman posts. His stuff is a bunch of pathetic teenaged boy hooey, easily dismissed and ignored, while the challenges to CTS's twisted logic touch on the truth of her dysfunctions.
While one side tends to make their disagreements intelligently and comparatively mildly, the people like Kane on the other side make their snarks viciously, personally and unintelligibly. I can finally see why those on one side view the others (let’s say “lefties”, tho’ it probably goes both ways) are so nasty, while the “lefties” can’t understand how the ugliness can be ignored.

I’m saying this badly. I’m trying to say that intense disagreements, may they be intelligently stated and less ugly than for example Kane, Raptor, Whozit (and Wulf to a lesser degree, I noticed lately when I went back), they SEEM nastier than they are, whereas the snarks by those mentioned are so outside reality that they’re viewed as unimportant. What’s being missed is, in my opinion, two things:

1. That snarking in a semi-intelligent manner is just as ugly in its way as vicious obscenities, and
2. That the deliberately vicious stuff IS worse, because of its obvious hatred and obscenities.

I think some like DT and CTTS find it easy to dismiss snarks by the above, and can’t see how truly ugly they are viewed by others, while the “lefties” feel that their “points” aren’t as horrific as the deliberately obscene personal attacks.

Dunno if that makes any sense, but until now I was with the “lefties” in how I viewed things; this post showed me what I believe to be the truth; the above. I think THAT’s why the argument is always “most lefties are mean”, “no, righties are far uglier”. Does anyone understand what I’m saying?

For me, anyway, it’s a lesson that what I think are logical, reasonable “snarks” can be viewed just as bad as what I perceive as deliberate, obscene personal attacks, and to try and couch my remarks a bit differently. I maintain that when I’m addressed in what I consider a Neolithic style, calling me stupid, etc., I will respond with the equivalent if I feel like it, but I’m going to attempt to be less dismissive when someone snarks me reasonably or just says something I think deserving of dismissal.

In other words, when the "righties" say we "lefties" are ugly and vicious, I'm going to try to bear in mind that what's said TO them can be perceived as every bit as vicious as what those people say to US.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off




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Monday, November 15, 2010 12:32 PM

DREAMTROVE


I am also insane, so I understand. Yes, as in prion, clever girl. I made up a word.

It would not be true that I have never been attacked by Kane.

"Never let someone else's opinion of you affect your opinion of them" - Dale Carnegie.

It is more that I bear no animosity towards Kane that results in her posting nothing against me.

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Monday, November 15, 2010 3:30 PM

CANTTAKESKY


Quote:

Magonsdaughter:
Nice to see that you can stand by and see your fellow FFF.net fans take abuse, as long as it doesn't happen to you, it's all good. You can see how the Third Reich happened. "I'm not Jewish, it's not my family being taken away and persecuted, so the Nazis must be all right!"

Quote:

Canttakesky:
Yeah, I've never been called a gay pig dog from hell. But I've been COMPARED to Nazi enablers.

Quote:

Magonsdaughter:
It's called an analogy.



a·nal·o·gy /əˈnælədʒi/ Show Spelled[uh-nal-uh-jee]
–noun,plural-gies.
1. a similarity between like features of two things, on which a COMPARISON may be based: the analogy between the heart and a pump.

Analogy: 1 is to 2, what A is to B. 1 is comparable to A, 2 is comparable to B.

1: Enablers who think Nazi's are "all right" because their families are not attacked, just the Jewish families and others.
2: Nazis

A: CTS who thinks Kaneman is "all right" because she is not attacked, just Niki and others
B: Kaneman

CTS is comparable to Enablers, and Kaneman is comparable to Nazis.
Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Magons was in no way saying anyone was a Nazi enabler.

She didn't SAY. She COMPARED. That is what analogies do. They COMPARE. I said, she COMPARED.
Quote:

She was saying that not calling out Kane for his filth to other posters is a bad thing,
Sure, ok. That would be a good point. But she didn't JUST say that. She made an analogy comparing me to Nazi enablers; see above.
Quote:

and she said “YOU can see how the Third Reich happened”, which IS an analogy, not calling YOU a Nazi enabler.
You can see how the Third Reich happened because something COMPARABLE is happening here.

She didn't call names. She COMPARED--which is exactly what I said she did.

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Monday, November 15, 2010 4:30 PM

KANEMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by canttakesky:
Quote:

Magonsdaughter:
Nice to see that you can stand by and see your fellow FFF.net fans take abuse, as long as it doesn't happen to you, it's all good. You can see how the Third Reich happened. "I'm not Jewish, it's not my family being taken away and persecuted, so the Nazis must be all right!"

Quote:

Canttakesky:
Yeah, I've never been called a gay pig dog from hell. But I've been COMPARED to Nazi enablers.

Quote:

Magonsdaughter:
It's called an analogy.



a·nal·o·gy /əˈnælədʒi/ Show Spelled[uh-nal-uh-jee]
–noun,plural-gies.
1. a similarity between like features of two things, on which a COMPARISON may be based: the analogy between the heart and a pump.

Analogy: 1 is to 2, what A is to B. 1 is comparable to A, 2 is comparable to B.

1: Enablers who think Nazi's are "all right" because their families are attacked, just the Jewish families and others.
2: Nazis

A: CTS who thinks Kaneman is "all right" because she is not attacked, just Niki and others
B: Kaneman

CTS is comparable to Enablers, and Kaneman is comparable to Nazis.
Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Magons was in no way saying anyone was a Nazi enabler.

She didn't SAY. She COMPARED. That is what analogies do. They COMPARE. I said, she COMPARED.
Quote:

She was saying that not calling out Kane for his filth to other posters is a bad thing,
Sure, ok. That would be a good point. But she didn't JUST say that. She made an analogy comparing me to Nazi enablers; see above.
Quote:

and she said “YOU can see how the Third Reich happened”, which IS an analogy, not calling YOU a Nazi enabler.
You can see how the Third Reich happened because something COMPARABLE is happening here.

She didn't call names. She COMPARED--which is exactly what I said she did.

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Arrogant and proud of it.





Strap your boots on....Trust me. Whatever you say from now on....sockkkpuptttt....Oooops, Kwicko is gay.

---------------------------------------------
Kwicko, I formally condemn your mother for not aborting you. Yeah, I'm sure her brother was happy to have a son, but you are inexcusable....

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Monday, November 15, 2010 4:30 PM

KANEMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by canttakesky:
Quote:

Magonsdaughter:
Nice to see that you can stand by and see your fellow FFF.net fans take abuse, as long as it doesn't happen to you, it's all good. You can see how the Third Reich happened. "I'm not Jewish, it's not my family being taken away and persecuted, so the Nazis must be all right!"

Quote:

Canttakesky:
Yeah, I've never been called a gay pig dog from hell. But I've been COMPARED to Nazi enablers.

Quote:

Magonsdaughter:
It's called an analogy.



a·nal·o·gy /əˈnælədʒi/ Show Spelled[uh-nal-uh-jee]
–noun,plural-gies.
1. a similarity between like features of two things, on which a COMPARISON may be based: the analogy between the heart and a pump.

Analogy: 1 is to 2, what A is to B. 1 is comparable to A, 2 is comparable to B.

1: Enablers who think Nazi's are "all right" because their families are attacked, just the Jewish families and others.
2: Nazis

A: CTS who thinks Kaneman is "all right" because she is not attacked, just Niki and others
B: Kaneman

CTS is comparable to Enablers, and Kaneman is comparable to Nazis.
Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Magons was in no way saying anyone was a Nazi enabler.

She didn't SAY. She COMPARED. That is what analogies do. They COMPARE. I said, she COMPARED.
Quote:

She was saying that not calling out Kane for his filth to other posters is a bad thing,
Sure, ok. That would be a good point. But she didn't JUST say that. She made an analogy comparing me to Nazi enablers; see above.
Quote:

and she said “YOU can see how the Third Reich happened”, which IS an analogy, not calling YOU a Nazi enabler.
You can see how the Third Reich happened because something COMPARABLE is happening here.

She didn't call names. She COMPARED--which is exactly what I said she did.

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Strap your boots on....Trust me. Whatever you say from now on....sockkkpuptttt....Oooops, Kwicko is gay.

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Kwicko, I formally condemn your mother for not aborting you. Yeah, I'm sure her brother was happy to have a son, but you are inexcusable....

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Monday, November 15, 2010 4:33 PM

DREAMTROVE


Not to take sides on this one, but to actually try to settle it:

CTS won this one, and Magon lost. Sorry. It's not my political bias, but some simple rules of debate.


First and foremost, in order to apply Godwin's law correctly you have to understand how he intended it to be applied:

Irrational connections that draw extreme parallels, like your taking the last slice of pizza is like the Nazis invading Poland, is an automatic defeat for your argument.

Godwin's law is often misapplied as "Whoever compares someone to Nazis first loses."

Under that interpretation, Magon obviously lost.


But if you more closely examine Godwin's Law, Magon blew this one much worse. Her argument was really very must along the lines of your taking the last slice of pizza is like the Nazis invading Poland.

Plus, for added points, it mentions Nazis, and infers now only that CTS is the sort who lets Nazi Germany happen, but also that allowing Kaneman free speech would bring about a totalitarian dictatorship which had no free speech, or that Kaneman as a radical element would cause Nazi Germany.

These are all absurd, and autolose any argument.


If anyone wanted to draw any parallel between Kaneman and Nazi Germany, it would be this one:

Kaneman experiments on subjects believed to be of inferior intelligence to see how their behavior can be controlled through the simple application of primal stimuli.


Seriously, Kaneman is showing me something of value here. You would all see it too if you were watching. More ears, less mouth. Remember, everyone has something to say, but what they say is not always in way they say, as they say.

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Monday, November 15, 2010 5:39 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

...but what they say is not always in way they say, as they say.


That's either profound, or utter gibberish.

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Monday, November 15, 2010 9:22 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by kaneman:
Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
1) kane is a 14 year old troll
2) It has hair all over its body and tusks instead of teeth
3) it is neither male nor female but a hermaphrodite
4) it lays two eggs a year which hatch into identical trolls and are ready to use the internet independantly within 6 months of hatching
5) it eats goat




How is this any different than me posting I want to rape Nikki2? Or that Kwicko likes dicks? Or that you are a retard? I don't get it . There seems to be a double standard at play...shame on you. Well, it's true......


The difference is that you are a troll. You come on this and probably numerous other sites with the purpose to denigrate and insult. As far as I have seen, you have contributed nothing more than these kinds of interactions on this forum (although you may have prior to me coming here).

Therefore, I call you a troll and the troll is as described above. If you wish to post differently, I'll respond with respect.

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Monday, November 15, 2010 9:32 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:

CTS won this one, and Magon lost. Sorry. It's not my political bias, but some simple rules of debate.


Does CTS get the medal then? I wasn't aware that these discussions involved winning and losing. I thought it was about communcating ideas, sharing views, looking at different concepts. If I thought we were on a formal debate, I woulda dun it different Particulary if you was the arbitrator.


Quote:

First and foremost, in order to apply Godwin's law correctly you have to understand how he intended it to be applied:

Irrational connections that draw extreme parallels, like your taking the last slice of pizza is like the Nazis invading Poland, is an automatic defeat for your argument.

Godwin's law is often misapplied as "Whoever compares someone to Nazis first loses."

Under that interpretation, Magon obviously lost.


Does that mean no-one can ever discuss the nazis again? Please tell me that also means you never get to say Socialist New World Order either, and I'll back you 100% up.

Quote:

But if you more closely examine Godwin's Law, Magon blew this one much worse. Her argument was really very must along the lines of your taking the last slice of pizza is like the Nazis invading Poland.


Except that it is nothing like pizza vs nazism. Nazi Germany happened for a lot of reasons, but one of the facts of it was that ordinary people stood by and let others be treated terribly, therefore my anology holds up. That is the sort of mentality that was present in Germany at that time. Just because you don't like that comparison, doesn't mean it isn't valid.

Quote:

Plus, for added points, it mentions Nazis, and infers now only that CTS is the sort who lets Nazi Germany happen, but also that allowing Kaneman free speech would bring about a totalitarian dictatorship which had no free speech, or that Kaneman as a radical element would cause Nazi Germany.
For the record, I never said Kaneman should not post his dross. I insist you apologise for misrepresenting my view.
Quote:

Seriously, Kaneman is showing me something of value here. You would all see it too if you were watching. More ears, less mouth. Remember, everyone has something to say, but what they say is not always in way they say, as they say.

Well there is someone for everyone, as my ma used to say.

And lastly

Quote:

Not to take sides on this one, but to actually try to settle it:]


What's the name of the debating tactic where you immediately do what you claim you are not going to do?

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Tuesday, November 16, 2010 3:23 AM

KANEMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Quote:

Originally posted by kaneman:
Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
1) kane is a 14 year old troll
2) It has hair all over its body and tusks instead of teeth
3) it is neither male nor female but a hermaphrodite
4) it lays two eggs a year which hatch into identical trolls and are ready to use the internet independantly within 6 months of hatching
5) it eats goat




How is this any different than me posting I want to rape Nikki2? Or that Kwicko likes dicks? Or that you are a retard? I don't get it . There seems to be a double standard at play...shame on you. Well, it's true......


The difference is that you are a troll. You come on this and probably numerous other sites with the purpose to denigrate and insult. As far as I have seen, you have contributed nothing more than these kinds of interactions on this forum (although you may have prior to me coming here).

Therefore, I call you a troll and the troll is as described above. If you wish to post differently, I'll respond with respect.




I didn't start this thread...Mother hen did. What I find hilarious is that you found it impossible to NOT post in this shithole of a thread. Shame on you. And, while I'm here, CTS won your arguement....How old are you? My bet....14.

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Tuesday, November 16, 2010 3:25 AM

KANEMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

...but what they say is not always in way they say, as they say.


That's either profound, or utter gibberish.




I'm going with gibberish....Add one "the" and I'll vote profound......

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