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5 Alien Invasions to Worry About

POSTED BY: NIKI2
UPDATED: Monday, November 15, 2010 11:51
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Sunday, November 14, 2010 9:52 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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If there's one thing that both Skyline - opening in theaters today - and the just-released trailer for Battle Los Angeles prove, it's that alien invasions can be terrifying things. It shouldn't be surprising - There's something upsetting about both invasion/war stories and aliens in general, so putting the two together to get "We don't know what they want, but we know it's not good for us" is a potent combination.

Alien invasion stories can pretty easily get divided into two sub-categories - "Aliens Among Us" and "Oh My God What Is That That Can't Be Good It's War" (Okay, there's maybe a third sub-category, but I'll get to that soon enough). The latter isn't really scary as such - Normally, it's more exciting because the threat is very visible and easy to address, especially if you've got lots of guns and/or bombs - and what fear there is is of a visceral "What if they have superior force?" flavor (Spoiler: They probably do, but there'll be workarounds. See if Jeff Goldblum has a laptop or something) instead of the creeping dread of the former. But fear is in the eye of the beholder, and each of these five invasion tales below offers something that should chill you to the bone... or at least leave you wondering if there's a scary draft coming from outer space.

Fringe

Is it too weird to call Fringe an alien invasion story? Maybe, but that's what it is, at heart - It's just that the aliens in question (with alternative, superior, technology) happen to be humans, and from another Earth. We have met the enemy and they are us, almost exactly - and there's something very disturbing about seeing where the road not taken would have left us (Especially when it involves a seeming flip of morality and nanotechnology being needed to keep us from dying).

The Day Of The Triffids

Sure, the idea of giant killer alien plants is all fun and games now, but wait until someone gets their head bitten off because they've been blinded by meteors as part of a giant alien plant plan to destroy the human race and then see how funny it seems. What's scariest about Triffids isn't the invasion itself, it's what happens before to incapacitate everyone before anyone knows that the invasion is underway. Harmless spectacle turns out to be almost 100% successful first strike.

The War Of The Worlds

Admittedly, this story was scariest the second time around, when Orson Welles' radio adaptation of HG Wells' original invasion story accidentally convinced Americans that they were really under attack from outer space. But at its heart, this is the classic alien invasion and the one that all others have to be compared to. It hits all the right fear points: Unknowable enemy, Superior technology and Absolutely no attempt to negotiate or even communicate. Even the happy ending is bittersweet: What if they hadn't had any trouble with the common cold...?

The Blob

And here's the third type of alien invasion I was talking about before: The advance guard (See also Cloverdale and The Thing). Mixing the unknowable aspect of War Of The Worlds with the additional worry of being absorbed by a random gelatinous mass that can't be stopped - Not even at the end of the movie, if the question mark is anything to go by - the true worry of this film isn't just "Where did it come from and what did it want?" but "Are there more of these things out there, somewhere?"

Invasion Of The Body Snatchers

The ultimate invasion horror story, and much imitated (See: The Faculty, Secret Invasion, They Live and so, so many others), but with good reason: There is little as scary as finding out that you're completely right to be paranoid, and this story - in any of its versions - takes that worry and blows it up into (literally) the end of the world as we know it, with you left all alone to deal with it, knowing that you'll likely eventually lose. Maybe it's time to watch Independence Day again, just so we can sleep at night...

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Caught the end of The Blob yesterday afternoon and giggled my way through it. They needed CO2 fire extinguishers to fight it, and the high school kids said there were 20 at the high school. So they all took off--in about 15 old jalops, busted into the high school, and 20 or 30 kids ran in, grabbed canisters, drove back, and I swear, there were so many kids about one in three was carrying a fire extinguisher! Funnier than hell...

I also thought Tom Cruise's remake of War of the Worlds was horrible! Our own imaginations did a much better job in the original; the special effects (especially in the beginning) in the remake were cool, but they destroyed the entire concept. The day of mystery is dead; the day of gore is settled in. JMHO.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off





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Sunday, November 14, 2010 3:45 PM

DREAMTROVE


I don't find any of these very plausible. Some do strike me as possible:

Batteries not included. Okay, I kid, but only a little: The major error that most stories make is that they assume aliens will be somewhere on the scale of humans, and there's no reason to assume that. Almost everything in creation is smaller than humans, and the more things evolve over time, the smaller they become. It's a good guess that something more advanced than us would be very small.

Surface Tension. It's most likely that we would never notice the invasion at all. I know this isn't an alien invasion story, except in a way, it is, and everyone familiar with the story will get what I mean.

Andromeda Strain. I actually haven't read it, and I know that Crichton make scientific errors, but the basic idea here is sound. Even if no alien would be genetically compatible with us, it's basically a chemical certainty that they would be carbon based, and some diseases evolve so rapidly that they can adapt to a random host they happen to infect.

Alien. Scott, with O'Bannon and Shusett, have created possibly sci-fi's greatest potential alien invasion. It would follow the larger biomass rule of evolution.

Ever wondered why there are Kangaroos in Australia? There used to be Kangaroos all over the place, but large landmasses evolve faster because larger populations evolve faster, more mutation more selection. This is why we have argentine ants. Even though africa and asia are larger, S. America in now the world's largest biomass continent, because it contain the largest surviving number of species, and, more simply put, it's greener.

We also know this from paleontology, and I could go into a long explanation about ammonites and dinosaurs, but to topic here, apply the same principle to the universe.

Say Jupiter's oceans were a habitable biosphere. They would seriously outpace the earth's. Much more room, much more energy, if anything ever had any reason to leave jupiter and come to earth, they could be far more evolved.

Also, Alien has the wonderfully sinister element that in the event that a more highly evolved species did come to earth and push us to extinction, our govt and corporate leaders would see this as an opportunity to screw each other over for a lousy percentage.

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Sunday, November 14, 2010 6:39 PM

CANTTAKESKY


I worry about the V aliens, who come in peace. Then they send troops to give us help. Then they give us help to fight terrorists. Then the fight turns into a war that never ends. We find that we have very little freedom left that we were used to, our civil rights having been eroded away....


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Monday, November 15, 2010 12:37 AM

FREMDFIRMA


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Originally posted by Niki2:
It hits all the right fear points: Unknowable enemy, Superior technology and Absolutely no attempt to negotiate or even communicate


Oh that's hilarious in a sideways kinda way.

I play one of those 4X games called Sword of the Stars - as the HIVE.

One of my pysch-out warfare tricks (other than being, yanno, the scary bug invasion) is that I never waste an iota of research time or effort on alien languages/translation, and do not even bother to communicate with the other players.

This originally because:
A - The AI/Comp opponents won't stick to any agreement for even three turns.
B - Human opponents aren't much better, and will screw you "for the evulz" even when it's tremendously detrimental to their own interests.
C - Not wasting the time and resources gives you that much more to invest in blowing the untrustworthy cretins into a fine powder.

But now cause it really DOES freak them out a little bit, having a hive-minded race consider them with all the regard of a vermin infestation.



-Frem
"For the Queen!"

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Monday, November 15, 2010 2:54 AM

KANEMAN


I'd worry more about the illegal aliens from Mexico.....Just my opinion.

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Monday, November 15, 2010 3:29 AM

HERO


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But now cause it really DOES freak them out a little bit, having a hive-minded race consider them with all the regard of a vermin infestation.


I treat Democrats the same way.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
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Monday, November 15, 2010 5:29 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


I thought this was gonna be about the Chinese Stink-bugs.



http://ento.psu.edu/extension/factsheets/brown-marmorated-stink-bug


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Monday, November 15, 2010 9:00 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


DT, I agree about Andromeda Strain—the book and the original, not that stupid remake. But
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the more things evolve over time, the smaller they become
what about US? We’ve evolved, and we’re getting taller...?

Note Hero’s response; just to keep tabs on which side is nastier to the other.

Geezer, good one. We have the potential for “alien invasion” of many forms right here on earth, created by ourselves...



Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off




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Monday, November 15, 2010 10:54 AM

HERO


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Originally posted by Niki2:
Note Hero’s response; just to keep tabs on which side is nastier to the other.


Democrats have us beat in nastiness, we have them beat just about everywhere else.

I note for the record that Democrats should not be eradicated like vermin unless and until vermin can be voted down at the ballot box...although if you drop enough ballots on most vermin they will in fact die and I suspect this is also true of Democrats.*

H


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Monday, November 15, 2010 11:16 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Im worried about the Visitors...



"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Monday, November 15, 2010 11:51 AM

DREAMTROVE


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Originally posted by Niki2:
DT, I agree about Andromeda Strain—the book and the original, not that stupid remake. But
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the more things evolve over time, the smaller they become
what about US? We’ve evolved, and we’re getting taller...?

Note Hero’s response; just to keep tabs on which side is nastier to the other.

Geezer, good one. We have the potential for “alien invasion” of many forms right here on earth, created by ourselves...



Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off







Niki

Two things.

1) Depends on your definition of time, and your definition of us. I think I said Given "enough time." Given enough time, everything will be reduced to a minimum size because that consumes a minimum amount of energy, and allows for more rapid development, which increases the number of generations which increases the rate of evolution.

Insects have been here the longest, and they did not used to be so small. Humans as a species are at most 3 million years old, but I'm very dubious if a union with Lucy and a modern human would produce viable offspring, in fact, I'm dubious that Lucy was human. She appears remarkably similar to a bonobo.

2) This is really a response to your threadjack of your own thread, so I'll put it in the proper place.

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