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Free Brian Aitken

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UPDATED: Wednesday, December 8, 2010 08:12
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Tuesday, December 7, 2010 9:19 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

I have very little faith in the system left.

How about you?

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Tuesday, December 7, 2010 9:20 AM

BLUEHANDEDMENACE

I am at work and cant watch the vid, whats the details of this story?

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Tuesday, December 7, 2010 9:32 AM

CANTTAKESKY

Brian Aitken got 7 years in prison for being found with weapons in his car without a permit to "possess" those weapons. It is sort of like a permit to carry. In NJ, you can get "purchaser's" permits to buy the weapons, hold them in your home, and use them at legal places (e.g. shooting range). You are allowed to transport them when you move or travel between legal places of use.

Aitken claims he was moving when he was found with them. Prosecutors disagree. The judge sentenced him the same amount of time as if he had assaulted someone with those weapons.

Regardless of whether you believe he was moving or not, the fact is he did not assault anyone.

The sentence is well, overly harsh.

http://briandaitken.com/

http://reason.org/news/show/brian-aitkens-mistake

--Can't Take (my gorram) Sky

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Tuesday, December 7, 2010 9:38 AM

BLUEHANDEDMENACE

The carry permit sounds similar to what they have here in Florida, a right to own a gun is different from the right to carry it in public...that part I'm good with, but ya 7 years sounds really frickin harsh

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Tuesday, December 7, 2010 4:59 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

I believe this is a violation of the Constitutional protections allowing citizens to keep and bear arms.

However, like so many of our Constitutional protections, it has been eroded over time with a number of caveats and exceptions that make the protection essentially useless in some locations.

--Anthony

Assured by friends that the signal-to-noise ratio has improved on this forum, I have disabled web filtering.

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Tuesday, December 7, 2010 5:10 PM

CANTTAKESKY

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
I believe this is a violation of the Constitutional protections allowing citizens to keep and bear arms.

At this point Anthony, I think Constitutional protections are a bit of a myth. That's my cynical self talking.

--Can't Take (my gorram) Sky

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Tuesday, December 7, 2010 6:55 PM

DREAMTROVE

Close to it, CTS, but the 2nd guarantees us Arms. It's hard to say what arms are.

Meet the world's new most powerful weapon. Take a picture, send it anywhere, retrieve and communicate any information with anyone instantly, take video, audio, confirm your case beyond a reasonable doubt. Share it with the 5 billion mobile users of planet earth.

Yes, It's going to be a little hard for them to contain the army of 5 billion peasants armed each with a tool whose power dwarfs that which the pentagon was equipped with when we first invaded Iraq.

So, for the moment, I think that, while guns may come and go, our real 2a is safe, whether they want it to be or not.

Also, good law is contagious (so is bad law, but that's another thing.) We have the bill of rights because we were a british colony. That's also why we have Habeas Corpus. But the judgments of the Magna Carta spread across the world to countries which had never heard of England in a few decades. Some things just make sense. The bill of rights is one of them, and if it does not emanate from Washington D.C., sobeit, it will emanate from somewhere else.

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Wednesday, December 8, 2010 8:12 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Quote:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Close to it, CTS, but the 2nd guarantees us Arms. It's hard to say what arms are.

No it's not.

Quote:
The power of the sword, say the minority..., is in the hands of Congress. My friends and countrymen, it is not so, for The powers of the sword are in the hands of the yeomanry of America from sixteen to sixty. The militia of these free commonwealths, entitled and accustomed to their arms, when compared with any possible army, must be tremendous and irresistible. Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress has no power to disarm the militia. Their swords and every terrible implement of the soldier are the birthright of Americans. The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments but where, I trust in God, it will always remain, in the hands of the people.
-Tench Coxe, Feb 20 1788

Seriously, read the words of our founders on the topic, they were NONE of them ambiguous, and the Antifederalists pressed it hard because they *knew* the day would come when shitheads like Hamilton, Jay and Madison would try to weasel word it and renege on those protections, so the whole concept was extremely and thoroughly thrashed out down to the minutae of who was responsible for purchase and maintanence.

EVERY terrible instrument of the soldier - ANY weapon, once again, this comes in part also due to the battle of blair mountain, where it was proven beyond an ounce of doubt that well armed citizens defending their own turf could stand toe-to-toe with army regulars if they were anywhere near comparably armed - which was also the reason we're NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE a standing army, cause it leads to... well, the exact kind of interventionist bullshit it HAS lead to, although a case could be made that the kind of "standing army" the founders truly feared wasn't the US Military, but rather the police.
http://www.constitution.org/lrev/roots/cops.htm
(See Section 722)

So, there is neither doubt nor ambiguity whatever, save for deliberate falsehood and obfuscation - and if you do not believe the 2nd Amendment to be distorted, misapplied, routinely ignored and in danger, go try to purchase a fully automatic assault rifle over the counter without prostrating yourself to the powers that be and begging and bribing... or for that matter, see what happens if you modify a weapon you possess and own in a fashion the powers that be don't care for.... then try to sell me that line.

But yes, a camera and a pen are dangerous weapons too - for a fact more people in this world have died at the stroke of a tyrants pen than any other factor, because there are still MORONS in this world willing to listen to, and take the orders of, such monsters without question.

And for all that the powers that be want to jam a camera up our ass, they sure don't like it when one is aimed back at them.

The War on Cameras
http://reason.com/archives/2010/12/07/the-war-on-cameras

Which is gonna right interesting when the day comes someone arrested for filming the police reveals that their "film" was intercepted from the very cameras the police were using upon THEM - gonna be fun to watch the court squirm and twist trying to legally justify it in one direction but not the other.

They are NOT Lords, we are NOT Peons, and the surest way to bring this home to them and smash it in their face is to simply apply the law equally.

If the police had to obey and suffer under every single teensy-tiny nitpick and mutually contradictory bit of firearms law (and were NOT allowed to carry anywhere citizens are not!) you would see a sea-change in their goddamn attitude all but instantly - but so long as we're playin with an unlevel field, a class/caste based society, regardless of whether we admit it - these abuses are inevitable.

In short, no one should EVER be allowed to enforce a law they are not subject to, period.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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