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This is the first time I've ever seen hackers open their ranks up to the uninitiated.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/web/12/09/wikileaks.facebook.twitter/inde
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Hello,

If reports in this article are accurate, and the hackers are posting credit card account numbers, then the hacking can no longer be considered mere political activism or protest. It is wantonly criminal.

The targetting of politicians who oppose Wikileaks is also troubling, as it could be considered to constitute an attack on free speech and expression. (The very thing they claim to be protecting.)

This may be one way in which this IS a war. It is becoming less and less 'clean' as time goes by.

--Anthony


Assured by friends that the signal-to-noise ratio has improved on this forum, I have disabled web filtering.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
This may be one way in which this IS a war. It is becoming less and less 'clean' as time goes by.

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"That thing I said the other day about 1 hacker stealing thousands of credit card numbers and you asked me what I meant by that... let's forget I said that, 'k?"

Hello,

I remember. However, the fact is that hackers have always done such things and I have always considered such acts criminal.

The action of these hackers is immaterial to the *separate* argument of Wikileaks' validity as a press service publishing leaked information.

There are two different things happening here.

1) Wikileaks is fighting for its rights as a press service.

2) People who are NOT Wikileaks are fighting for their right to access Wikileaks' information unhindered.

The people in the second group are not necessarily making their case in a righteous or legal fashion. But this 'army' is not controlled by Wikileaks or anyone in particular. They are only marginally organized. It is a popular uprising, and if it continues it may be as sinister as any peasant revolt.

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The people in the second group are not necessarily making their case in a righteous or legal fashion. But this 'army' is not controlled by Wikileaks or anyone in particular. They are only marginally organized. It is a popular uprising, and if it continues it may be as sinister as any peasant revolt.

--Anthony

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Hello,

CNN might agree. There is a headline now, "Is Wikileaks engaged in Cyber-War?"

I think this premise is misleading. If thousands of sympathetic individuals rise up in conflict, is it Wikileaks' war? Are THEY engaging in it?

To my knowledge, Wikileaks' activities are still limited to publishing leaked data. I think calling this Wikileaks' war is somewhat misleading.

--Anthony

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

"calling them a "press service" seems like spin to me, but see below"

Briefly I'll interject - In Lovell v. City of Griffin, 303 U.S. 444 (1938), Chief Justice Hughes defined the press as, "every sort of publication which affords a vehicle of information and opinion."

So, yes, Wikileaks is a press, and press means more than we may normally imagine. Most people associate the press as being a special organization with special passes issued to them, entitling them to publish news. This is not the case, and was never the intention of the Constitution.

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"Do you think our gov should have any secrets?"

Yes, though that's rather broad. It would be bad business to publish battle plans before a battle, for instance.

Now I will offer a question.

Do you think our government has done a good job of keeping the right things secret about their activities?

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

CNN might agree. There is a headline now, "Is Wikileaks engaged in Cyber-War?"

I think this premise is misleading. If thousands of sympathetic individuals rise up in conflict, is it Wikileaks' war? Are THEY engaging in it?

To my knowledge, Wikileaks' activities are still limited to publishing leaked data. I think calling this Wikileaks' war is somewhat misleading.

--Anthony

Assured by friends that the signal-to-noise ratio has improved on this forum, I have disabled web filtering.

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Gay-Boy, I agree with you on this. However(you spic cunt) millions have risen in the tea party movement and you let the liberals put it on Palin's lap......explain that to me. I'm just a dumb black chick from tanzania.....Well, it COULD be true...

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
The people in the second group are not necessarily making their case in a righteous or legal fashion. But this 'army' is not controlled by Wikileaks or anyone in particular. They are only marginally organized. It is a popular uprising, and if it continues it may be as sinister as any peasant revolt.

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