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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

I have just had someone tell me about an old, decrepit, dying dog that was injected with its own stem cells. Its physical ills are reputed to have reversed themselves and the dog has taken on a more youthful demeanor.

Is this just one of those hoax rumors, or is this an actual thing? Does anyone know?

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Originally posted by BlueHandedMenace:
Have you guys heard of the HIV treatment case/patient known as the Berlin patient?

He was injected with Stem Cells in an effort to fight his Leukemia, not his HIV, and lo and behold, a few years later, scientists believe they have cured HIV in this man....

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
You might find my citing fictional books comical, especially considering my comments earlier today in regards to the V for Vendetta guy and "brainwashing by television, movies, and internet."

But some books are more than just books, or just fiction. 1984 was written by a guy who fought alongside Anarchists against Fascists, Communists, and Socialists in Barcelona. He saw what would come of the rise to power of centralized, militarized government.

And far more scary, Brave New World was written as a take that against Huxley's counterparts in America (he was a eugenicist and a globalist), who he thought were creating an insipid society with their commercialism. Ray Bradbury wrote Farenheit 451, and later supported acts of censorship under the most recent administrations.

Some dystopian novels aren't just fiction. They're actual recipe books, things to come put down on paper by people who know what others were planning and disagreed on one point or another without necessarily turning away from the globalist agenda.

And I probably sound crazy for saying that, but I don't particularly care. This is where history and literature overlap.

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But Byte, I'm not simply talking about suffering versus not. I'm talking about life-altering suffering, suffering that leaves one unable to really LIVE a life of any decent sort, versus having mobility, or clarity of thought.

Having just watched someone very close lose a dog to old age and a massive amount of suffering, I think they'd happily have chosen to have that dog be happier and healthier, and then just... gone.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:

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But Byte, I'm not simply talking about suffering versus not. I'm talking about life-altering suffering, suffering that leaves one unable to really LIVE a life of any decent sort, versus having mobility, or clarity of thought.

Having just watched someone very close lose a dog to old age and a massive amount of suffering, I think they'd happily have chosen to have that dog be happier and healthier, and then just... gone.

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I know, and I don't disagree that it isn't noble in some way to want to reduce that suffering.

But this is the very application of the idea in Brave New World. Once people in Brave New World were physically mature, they started treatments to keep them in the prime of youth, then suddenly die one day. Suffice to say, there are psychological problems that can be expected to come from this.

You have to be very careful about the hows and the whys here. The people who mean us the MOST harm, the people who mean to strip us of our humanity and creativity and turn us into their work slaves, they're the ones who tempt us with ideas that seem like candy but are pure poison.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Basically you can reverse aging with stem cells, but very few humans die from aging. Most humans die from dumb things they do, cancer and toxicity from dumb things other humans did, and third, from the hazards of mother nature, ie, parasites, diseases etc.

That said, yes, it's a major step.

Frem:

I suspect You're lot healthier than you think. Figure being in pretty much the exact situation you're in, and add a malignant brain cancer.

I would keep you immune system in tact, rather than reset. You don't know how many dogs they killed trying...

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
There are people who suffer greatly from not only the decays specific to age, but other decays and the damage of life. I know a few.

I don't doubt that they would risk a great deal to live a life that isn't shrouded in constant agony. Agony which is only lifted by drugs which addle the brain and ruin the liver.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
No, it's not normally that bad, but tonight, it is.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

I have just had someone tell me about an old, decrepit, dying dog that was injected with its own stem cells. Its physical ills are reputed to have reversed themselves and the dog has taken on a more youthful demeanor.

Is this just one of those hoax rumors, or is this an actual thing? Does anyone know?

--Anthony

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Better being a relative term - less painful than listening to the Rappys bullshit, that's for sure.

-F

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Only Rappy could read the word 'bullshit' and somehow, in that fact-deficient addled mind of his decide that Frem wrote 'truth'.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Unless of course you have a genetic predisposition to an illness like, for example, Parkinson's or leukemia, in which case your own stem cells just give you back your same problems.

You seem to think that your own stem cells are a cure-all for everything under the sun, and that only proves how ignorant you truly are.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:

I have just had someone tell me about an old, decrepit, dying dog that was injected with its own stem cells. Its physical ills are reputed to have reversed themselves and the dog has taken on a more youthful demeanor.

Is this just one of those hoax rumors, or is this an actual thing? Does anyone know?

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Unless of course you have a genetic predisposition to an illness like, for example, Parkinson's or leukemia, in which case your own stem cells just give you back your same problems.

You seem to think that your own stem cells are a cure-all for everything under the sun, and that only proves how ignorant you truly are.

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It's funny to hear you speak of such things, as if YOU know, more than those doing the cutting edge work in this field.

The story which started this thread pretty much disproves your comments. The best hope, the least expensive and easiest to obtain are stem cells from each individual. This is great news. Why are you getting into a pissing match over that which is only a positive. ?

Do you even THINK before you post ?


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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I have just had someone tell me about an old, decrepit, dying dog that was injected with its own stem cells. Its physical ills are reputed to have reversed themselves and the dog has taken on a more youthful demeanor.

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I have just had someone tell me about an old, decrepit, dying dog that was injected with its own stem cells. Its physical ills are reputed to have reversed themselves and the dog has taken on a more youthful demeanor.

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This is what I was referring to, not the man with cancer/ HIV.

The point I was trying to make is that adult stem cells, whether from the host or another adult, have proven to be more effective than those from embryos.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Originally posted by TheHappyTrader:
Ah, thanks for the correction. Substitute 'our own' for 'not from embryo harvesting' in my previous statement and I'll stand by it

Still, there's no reason for anyone to be an ass. Rappy actually had something positive to say and then was attacked. Considering how often some of these folks complain about him, I'd think they would want to reward more positive behavior to encourage it, but that would require foresight and a bit of humility.

I respectfully disagree on it not mattering where they are from, though I confess I need to do a bit more research in this area. Correct me if I'm wrong, but when harvesting embryonic stem cells, don't they create an embryo (as in sperm + egg which becomes an unborn child) let it grow a bit and then kill it and extract the cells? It sounds so barbaric, I hope I've got this one wrong.

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Originally posted by TheHappyTrader:
That's a hell of a leap there kiki, I'm gonna have to defend rap here. He didn't claim it would solve everything, just that our own stem cells are probably better for us than those harvested from an embryo (which is kinda repulsive). You wanna get them from umbilical cords and the like, that's shiny but the idea of creating and destroying embryos to harvest these cells just seems wrong. Also, do we have any real proof that embryonic stem cells will cure these illness better than other stem cells (or at all for that matter)?

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Originally posted by TheHappyTrader:
Ah, I see. So the question is, is it okay to kill what's going to die soon anyway and harvest it's parts. I still don't like it, but at least they aren't creating life with intent of destroying it. I understand some people don't consider it 'alive' until it is born or close enough to it, but terminating a life is kind of a big deal to me, and I'd much rather cautiously (and perhaps unrealistically) assume it to be alive from zygote than potentially condone the killing of innocent children.

This is also why I don't like abortion, but before anyone accuses my of trying to control a woman's body, not liking something is not the same thing as forcing you not to do it! I don't envy anyone who has to make that kind of decision and those that do probably deserve our sympathy, not our scorn.

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