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I'd really like to know how it limits collective bargaining.

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Considering the democrats abandoned their post

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Considering the democrats abandoned their post

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Replace that with "filibustered" and you might get some idea of what actually happened.

The democrats were doing the best they could do to perform the job they were elected to perform, which is to protect the people who have to work for a living. These bastards convened illegally and passed the bill illegally, and if our state attorney general puts in a token effort to uphold his own rules, the whole thing will be tossed out on its ass.


Facts are stubborn things.

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Any recall should be for the grandstanding cowards who fled across state lines.

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Concerning abandonment of post, do state legislators typically only work on one piece of legislation at a time for several days or weeks and do nothing else? If that is the case you are right and, while still a mite cowardly and disgraceful, it really is no worse than a filibuster. While they are absent, they are not working, right? That means there are other things they are not doing besides participating in the vote they are politically against. Unless congress really does only do one thing at a time, which makes it a small wonder anything gets finished.

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Any recall should be for the grandstanding cowards who fled across state lines.

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The folks in WI seem to disagree.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
MONICA DAVEY
Published: Thursday, March 10, 2011 at 5:10 a.m.
Last Modified: Thursday, March 10, 2011 at 5:10 a.m.

CHICAGO — The bitter political standoff in Wisconsin over Gov. Scott Walker’s bid to sharply curtail collective bargaining for public-sector workers ended abruptly Wednesday night as Republican colleagues in the State Senate successfully maneuvered to adopt a bill doing just that.

After a three-week stalemate, Republican senators pushed the measure through in less than half an hour even as the Senate’s Democrats remained many miles away, trying to block the vote. Democrats in the State Assembly complained bitterly, and protesters, who had spent many days at the Capitol, continued their chants and jeers.

The Republicans control the Senate but had been blocked from voting on the issue after Senate Democrats left the state last month to prevent a quorum. But the Republicans used a procedural maneuver Wednesday to force the collective bargaining measure through: they removed elements of Governor Walker’s bill that were technically related to appropriating funds, thus lifting a requirement that 20 senators be present for a vote. In the end, the Senate’s 19 Republicans approved the measure, 18 to 1, without any debate on the floor or a single Democrat in the room.

The remaining bill, which increases health care and pension costs and cuts collective bargaining rights for public workers in the state, still needs approval from the State Assembly on Thursday morning, but that chamber approved the measure once before, and many in Wisconsin’s Capitol now consider approval a foregone conclusion.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Any recall should be for the grandstanding cowards who fled across state lines.

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The folks in WI seem to disagree.

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Fine. Then let them live with mob rule, and ignore the rule of law.




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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LANSING -- One $100 bill could block voters from a chance to stop more than a billion dollars in higher taxes.

Whether you think it's a dirty trick or a smart move, a House bill to implement Gov. Rick Snyder's proposal to eliminate tax credits and exemptions contains a $100 appropriation -- enough to make the plan immune from a voter referendum.

The plan has incensed some Michiganders. On Tuesday, AARP is holding a rally at the Capitol for senior citizens angry about Snyder's plan to tax pensions and other retirement income while cutting business taxes.

In 2001, the state Supreme Court ruled that legislation with a state expenditure -- even just $1 -- can't be repealed by voters.

On Thursday, minority House Democrats assailed the move to block a potential repeal vote."I think there's a natural, built-in constituency that would sign that petition" to repeal tax changes, said Rep. Vicki Barnett, D-Farmington Hills.

Lt. Gov. Brian Calley said the $100 appropriation in the 180-page bill is legitimate, and would be increased to cover the cost of implementing the new tax code.

In 2005, a new law allowing dove hunting in Michigan was suspended by a petition drive and repealed the following year when voters sided with the doves. That law did not include any spending.

Rep. Jud Gilbert, R-Algonac, chairman of the House Tax Policy Committee, said Democrats could air their objections at hearings on the tax bill.

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The things that have been gained won't be lost

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Public servants have it far better than their private sector counter parts. These crocodile tears of 'rights' being taken away are laughable. We already over pay for the less qualified folks in so many public sector areas, and what's it given us ? Broken schools, entitled , whining 'workers' who demand to be paid more and more for doing less and less.

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OH, that's right, you're not a captain of finance, you're just a lacky. One who only gets a few crumbs off the table but will still defend the master at every turn. Got it.

ETA: You're the master's bitch. I got that. I have no further interest in talking with you.

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Well, if you're a public servant, then I'm still YOUR master.

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Yeah, like I thought: You want to be the massah. You want a society of a few masters and many slaves. God forbid there should be a society of free people.

Thanks for finally taking off that mask of "concerned fellow citizen".

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OH, that's right, you're not a captain of finance, you're just a lacky. One who only gets a few crumbs off the table but will still defend the master at every turn. Got it. ETA: You're the master's bitch. I got that. I have no further interest in talking with you.- Signy

Well, if you're a public servant, then I'm still YOUR master- Rappy

Yeah, like I thought: You want to be the massah. You want a society of a few masters and many slaves. God forbid there should be a society of free people.Thanks for finally taking off that mask of "concerned fellow citizen".- Signy

Want has nothing to do with it-Rappy

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You're not telling me anything I didn't already know. But it's nice to see you telling everyone else. A little honesty is always appreciated.

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And your century old cry about the little people , being down for the good fight, doesn't apply here. They're in a better position than their private sector contemporaries, and all at the expense of WE THE PEOPLE.

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There are no 'rich, elitist big corporation fat cats' here, exploiting the workers. The " workers " are exploiting their employers, the citizens to whom they answer.

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As for the rest of you gloaters, you all need to take a lesson from Geezer. As hard as he has been working for this day, as happy as he is to see it - he only posted two VERY neutral posts. Because HE knows - even if you don't - that publicly associating yourself with an effort to screw the little guy is just like painting a target on your back.

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