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WTC Attack September 11, 2001 from New York Police Helicopter

Video obtained by FOIA to NIST by an anonymous person who directed it be sent to Cryptome. Excerpt of the NIST letter.

Quote: These electronic files image were provided to NIST by the New York Police Department. The City of New York has provided NIST with the following notice:

"Please take notice that the City of New York ("City") has asserted that the contents of the enclosed DVD-ROM is protected under tbe Copyright Act, 17 U.S.C. sections 101 et seq. Tbe City expressly reserves its rights in these materials, and requires that you obtain the City's permission prior to any reproduction, modification, adaptation, recompilation, or other derivative use of each DVD-ROM or portion thereof, including any still image extracted or derived therefrom, and that the City's permission be obtained prior to the commercial distribution of any video footage and of still or moving images extracted or derived therefrom in any medium, by sale, rental, lease, lending or other means. The City requires that the instant notice accompany any moving or still images that you disseminate for any reason, including dissemination that complies with the fair use authorized by section 107 of the Copyright Act, and requires that each recipient of these materials comply with the instant Notice. Moreover, the City requires that a summary statement of its copyright be embedded in any moving or still images extracted from the enclosed DVD-ROM that are broadcast in any medium for any purpose. This summary statement shall read as follows: "Copyright (c) NYPD." Please write to the New York City Police Department, Legal Bureau, 1 Police Plaza, Room 1406, New York, N. Y. 10038, for information about obtaining an appropriate license." Unquote

The video has been uploaded as provided by NIST without modification. Original in VOB format, 700MB.

A related collection of 153 still photos from another NYPD helicopter:

http://cryptome.org/0001/wtc-nist-gjs/wtc-nist-gjs.zip (64MB)

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
The US govt. attacked its own citizenry. Everybody knows, but no one wants to admit it.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
It has yet to be explained to me (with a rational explanation) why having real terrorists crash planes into the WTC and Pentagon wouldn't have accomplished the exact same thing as the more exotic explanations:

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Cause the building likely wouldn't have come down - it still might have, but not THAT way, not straight down into it's own footprint, ever so neatly...

Case in point, the Murray Federal Building in Oklahoma was SUPPOSED to come down, apparently as a result of that weakass Ryder truck ANFO bomb, which factually didn't even DO most of the damage - and had the other explosives planted inside the building not malfunctioned, that WOULD have happened - only one of them did go off, and that is what caused most of the damage to the building, not the truckbomb, and in case anyone disputes that I have the freakin radio log intercepts which prove beyond all doubt there were additional explosives, mind you.

But the Murray Building *didn't* come down - now suppose it had, and someone like me who knows a little bit about this sorta thing started questioning how a truck bomb made with low order explosive from across the street did that kind of damage ?

We'd see almost the same situation we have here, where the official story is disputed back and forth by everyone from shills, to experts, to folks with an agenda, all the way down to outright nutters claiming aliens did it.

And that's the problem with holding to an "official story" that doesn't hold an ounce of water - it feeds these kind of things, in part deliberately cause that obfuscates the whole issue and allows persons responsible to stall off or avoid any real investigation or responsibility.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
It has yet to be explained to me (with a rational explanation) why having real terrorists crash planes into the WTC and Pentagon wouldn't have accomplished the exact same thing as the more exotic explanations:

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Why do people always insist on fabricating the most convoluted conspiracies possible?

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If you want to implicate the U.S. government in these things, it makes much more sense to imagine the CIA helping real terrorists (who want to do the job anyway) to get the job done with legitimate means (actual real-life planes) rather than imagining the most complicated scheme possible.

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Originally posted by BNW:
Nothing will be going sideways when nothing is pushing or pulling sideways.

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Originally posted by BNW:
Ignorant fucking sods. The buildings fell in their own footprint because they collapsed due to gravity. The earth is down. Straight down. Nothing will be going sideways when nothing is pushing or pulling sideways.

Take a physics class. It's not that hard.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
The problem is, no one has explained to my satisfaction why the building *had* to come down.

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Originally posted by Hardware:
Since the construction was similar to WTC1 and 2, and fire felled them, it is logical to assume the fire also felled 7?

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Originally posted by canttakesky:
It's just the rest of the folks who don't want to consider that possibility chalk us up as crazy.

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Originally posted by Hardware:
Since the construction was similar to WTC1 and 2, and fire felled them, it is logical to assume the fire also felled 7?

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The whole point of the truther movement is that fires do not fall buildings in this manner. In the entire history of buildings on fire, no buildings have EVER been felled by fire in this manner (straight down in near free fall speed).

However, this pattern of falling buildings can be seen most of the time in professional demolitions.

Wherefore the questions about the official story.

http://firefightersfor911truth.org/

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Originally posted by BNW:
Nothing will be going sideways when nothing is pushing or pulling sideways.

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Why WAS there nothing obstructing the path of the floors above? Could it be because the lower floors were destroyed in advance of the fall, so the fall could come straight down without hitting anything to make it tip over?

That is what demolition crews do, you know.

YOU take a physics class. It's not that hard.

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Originally posted by Hardware:
But in all 3 cases once the fire caused the structural steel to fail it led to a pancake collapse.

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http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm

NIST’s findings do not support the “pancake theory” of collapse, which is premised on a progressive failure of the floor systems in the WTC towers (the composite floor system—that connected the core columns and the perimeter columns—consisted of a grid of steel “trusses” integrated with a concrete slab; see diagram below). Instead, the NIST investigation showed conclusively that the failure of the inwardly bowed perimeter columns initiated collapse and that the occurrence of this inward bowing required the sagging floors to remain connected to the columns and pull the columns inwards. Thus, the floors did not fail progressively to cause a pancaking phenomenon.

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Originally posted by BNW:
A collapsing disorganized block of several upper stories does to the lower stories what that 2 ton boulder would do to your body. Squish it. Straight down.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
The US govt. attacked its own citizenry. Everybody knows, but no one wants to admit it.

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Well, plenty of people admit it. It's just the rest of the folks who don't want to consider that possibility chalk us up as crazy.

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Option number 3: sometimes criminals are extraordinarily lucky.

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Originally posted by pizmobeach:
CTS - you said; "Well, plenty of people admit it." who are they?

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Originally posted by Hardware:
...you will see a descending level of destruction as the building collapses into itself.

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Originally posted by pizmobeach:
CTS - you said; "Well, plenty of people admit it." who are they?

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They are generally nicknamed "truthers."

Not all truthers believe it was the work of the US govt. But many truthers believe these events would not be possible without the help of some people in the US govt.

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Originally posted by Hardware:
...you will see a descending level of destruction as the building collapses into itself.

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Huh? Nobody disputes this.

Buildings exhibit a descending level of destruction and collapse onto themselves in demolition jobs, you know.

What this video doesn't show is WHY the building collapsed onto itself.

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Originally posted by Hardware:
but you'll see in the following examples that bottom up is the way the industry handles jobs.

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Originally posted by Hardware:
Your second link is actually a bottom up.

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And it is much more likely that a truss constructed building would fail due to fire.

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Originally posted by Hardware:
I'd love to hear those logs. Silly men in black, not using encrypted communications so that anybody could intercept and record your transmissions.

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Originally posted by RionaEire:
But DreamTrove and CTS believe it too? Give me a straight answer here people. You guys actually believe this whole thing?

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Originally posted by Kirkules:
...why the buildings pancaked.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
This is a photo from the book AFTERMATH, look at the column directly behind the firefighter.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

I enjoy a good conspiracy theory, but there seldom is a good conspiracy theory.

It has yet to be explained to me (with a rational explanation) why having real terrorists crash planes into the WTC and Pentagon wouldn't have accomplished the exact same thing as the more exotic explanations:

Smuggled, secretly planted Plastique, Robot Planes, Drone Missiles.

Why do people always insist on fabricating the most convoluted conspiracies possible? If you want to implicate the U.S. government in these things, it makes much more sense to imagine the CIA helping real terrorists (who want to do the job anyway) to get the job done with legitimate means (actual real-life planes) rather than imagining the most complicated scheme possible.

--Anthony



Assured by friends that the signal-to-noise ratio has improved on this forum, I have disabled web filtering.

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Originally posted by Kirkules:
...why the buildings pancaked.

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Again, please, you guys. If you are going to argue for the official story, get the official story straight. There was no "pancaking." Officially, the NIST says pancaking didn't happen. OK?

So you can stuff it about our being scientifically challenged. The pancake theory doesn't hold water. Even official govt report says so.

Since you apparently didn't read my earlier posts, here is the link again.

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
CTS, you have a terrible habit of acting like you're the only reasonable person in the room.

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No one here is arguing "for the official story."

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
...please, to use your imagination to come up with ANY explanation that would justify the extraordinary risk and cost and danger of exposure that planting all these explosives represent just so the towers would make a tidy mess.

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Also, worth a note although I don't necessarily consider it any kind of proof, something that stood out to me.

This is a photo from the book AFTERMATH, look at the column directly behind the firefighter.

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THIS is a demo crew laying a cutter charge.



Explain that to me, if you would.

-Frem

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Originally posted by Hardware:
If the shadow conspiracy was callous enough to sacrifice 3000 people, why not topple the building like a tree and get some real casualty count?

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But without the devices, we can equally assume that McVeigh and his accomplice left them there for the rescuers.

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Bomb Damage Analysis Of Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
July 30, 1995
by Benton K. Partin
Brigadier Gen. USAF (Ret.)
8908 Captains Row, Alexandria, Virginia 22308
703-780-7652

On April 19, 1995, the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma was bombed, causing extensive damage to the structure, the loss of 168 innocent lives, the victimization of the families of those who lost loved ones, hundreds of non-fatal injuries, and substantial property damage in the vicinity.

The media and the Executive branch reported that the sole source of the devastation was a single truck bomb consisting of 4,800 pounds of ammonium nitrate, transported to the location in a Ryder Truck and parked in front of the building. It is impossible that the destruction to the building could have resulted from such a bomb alone.

To cause the damage pattern that occurred to the Murrah building, there would have to have been demolition charges at several supporting column bases, at locations not accessible from the street, to supplement the truck bomb damage. Indeed, a careful examination of photographs showing the collapsed column bases reveals a failure mode produced by demolition charges and not by a blast from the truck bomb.

Read more at link....

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