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Originally posted by Niki2:
Doesn't matter how they died or who they were.

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Originally posted by Hero:
It does not mean the people were murdered, that they were killed by US action, or that they were innocent. Without that context the pictures are what they are...soldiers and dead people...nothing more.

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Originally posted by Hero:

I note for the record that the pictures show soldiers and dead folks. It does not mean the people were murdered, that they were killed by US action, or that they were innocent. Without that context the pictures are what they are...soldiers and dead people...nothing more.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Remember, if you can show a pattern of such behavior among a group of soldiers, that's just "a few bad apples", and shouldn't be held against the entire military. Likewise, Enron and the behavior of BP were just "bad apples", and shouldn't be held against corporations.

However, show ONE welfare cheat or ONE overpaid public-sector worker, and that's proof that you have to completely get rid of those systems. Ditto NPR, even if you have to fake the footage to make the fundraiser look bad!

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Remember, if you can show a pattern of such behavior among a group of soldiers, that's just "a few bad apples", and shouldn't be held against the entire military. Likewise, Enron and the behavior of BP were just "bad apples", and shouldn't be held against corporations.

However, show ONE welfare cheat or ONE overpaid public-sector worker, and that's proof that you have to completely get rid of those systems. Ditto NPR, even if you have to fake the footage to make the fundraiser look bad!

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Originally posted by Niki2:

As to O'Keefe, he's an asshole who's found a way to get attention and nobody seems to be willing to stand up and denounce him when he does something that makes "the other side" look bad. They love it as it reinforces their already-held beliefs, so they don't look beyond the surface. Of course it was faked; the simple fact that he and his cronies PRETENDED to be what they were not is fake...everything from then on is devalued, and the tape having been cut and edited casts further doubt on its veracity. How do we know there weren't sections with the NPR guy decrying what O'Keefe's buddies said which nobody got to see?

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How do we know that the NPR guy didn't say some very valid things (aside from the fact that I think there was validity in a lot of what he DID say, just nobody seems willing to stand up and say it in public).

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Given it's been proven conclusively that O'Keefe was NOT wearing the "pimp" clothes he professed to have been wearing in that other stunt kills his credibility completely. He's only believed by those who already WANT to believe what he professes to have "proven".

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The relatively light sentence followed a plea bargain that will soon see Morlock give evidence against four comrades who are also accused of taking part in the murders. In exchange for evidence about how the group "waxed" victims (an expression used in his interviews with prosecutors) he should be eligible for parole some time around his 30th birthday.

Jeremy Morlock's story certainly gives pause for thought. Born in Wasilla, Alaska. As a teenager, he played ice hockey with his friend Track Palin, in a team managed by Palin's mother, the state's now-famous former Governor, Sarah Palin.





Morlock soon began smoking locally cultivated marijuana several times a week. He was also being prescribed ten different medications (including painkillers, anti-depressants, and sleeping pills) by military doctors. An army medical evaluation later found that he had post-concussive syndrome, dependence on cannabis, had abused opiates and sedatives, and was suffering from personality disorder and post-traumatic stress disorder. But he was not removed from the front line.

Morlock told prosecutors that he and his colleagues began randomly killing unarmed Afghans shortly after Christmas 2009, allegedly at the behest of their sergeant, Calvin Gibbs, who was said to be in the habit of keeping the fingers of victims as souvenirs and to have claimed to have carried out similar murders during a tour of Iraq. "If Gibbs knew that I was sitting in front of this camera right now there's no doubt in my mind that he'd fucking take me out," he told investigators, in an interview uploaded to YouTube.

is mother has spent $50,000 helping to fight his case. She was not at home when The Independent called yesterday, but told her local paper, The Mat Su Valley Frontiersman, that her son's prosecution represented an effort to paper over a widespread problem.

"I believe he was taking orders from somebody else," she said. "I believe there are higher up people involved, and these guys are the scapegoats for the whole thing... It's not only his unit [involved in criminal activity], there's all kinds of stuff going on over there... No one will ever understand what happens in a war zone unless you're there."

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Of course it was. Everything O'Keefe has done in his life is a lie. That's why he's a Republican, of course!

http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/527930/no_shocker:_o'keef
e's_npr_%22sting%22_video_is_a_lie/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/14/npr-sting-tape-analysis-editi
ng_n_835384.html


Really, this is widely known by anyone who gets their "news" from anywhere but FauxNews.

Pay attention.

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