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Dog starved and thrown away

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Sunday, March 20, 2011 10:04 AM

CANTTAKESKY


https://www.examiner.com/pet-rescue-in-national/luck-of-the-irish-for-
throw-away-pitbull


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Newark, New Jersey - Rescued just moments before being tossed into an apartment building's trash compactor, the starving, barely alive red pitbull has the luck of the Irish. On Wednesday, March 16, a maintenance worker had been gathering and cleaning up the garbage around the waste receptacles of the 22 story apartment house where he worked, when he noticed a garbage bag slightly moving. In the bag, was the emaciated, cold shadow of a dog that had been starved, bagged, and thrown down a garbage chute.

The maintenance worker called Newark Animal Control, and Animal Control Officer Arthur Skinner picked up the dog and brought him to the Society where veterinarians and technicians tended to the dog who the staff named Patrick. He was put on intravenous fluids, and gently warmed with heating pads and blankets. Vet technician Gina De Salvo gently petted and stroked Patrick's head.

Patrick survived the first part of his long journey to recovery, and his condition is reported to be guarded. Patrick was transported by ambulance to the Garden State Veterinary Specialists in Tinton Falls where he continues to be given blood transfusions, enjoyed a gentle bath, and even a short walk.

Many thanks to the Associated Humane Society/Popcorn Zoo for reaching out to Patrick. If you would like to help Patrick, please contact the Garden State Veterinary Specialists at (732) 922-0011.



What the fuck is wrong with people?


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Sunday, March 20, 2011 10:12 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Hope they catch the dirtbag and feed him to the dogs. Literally.


The pup looks more skeleton than living. Dunno how he survived, but if nothing else, he's in good hands now. Hope he recovers....

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Sunday, March 20, 2011 10:15 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


He'll probably get an NFL contract instead.

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Sunday, March 20, 2011 11:47 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Things like that make me want to spit. What's wrong with people? They don't revere life (including in many cases their children), don't give a shit about anyone but themselves. They get "pets" as objects to own, so naturally throw them away when they're inconvenient. I prefer animals, myself!

We are, aside from a strange little species, an UGLY one at times, too.

Yes, I hope they catch the person, but it'll be a slap on the wrist, as animals don't get much protection against abuse. Regarding Mike's crack, I saw an episode of Dogtown last night where they took in the 20 worst cases of Vick's dogs, all of which were slated to be put to death because they were supposedly un-rehabbable. Some had some pretty ugly medical problems, some behavioral--they "fixed" every damned one and found almost all of them homes! I love Dogtown.

We need more Dogtowns, fewer Michael Vicks, in this world.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Sunday, March 20, 2011 1:21 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Niki, it wasn't just a "crack"; it was a statement about who we are, as a species, about what we value. It was *disguised* as a crack, the way most subversive humor is. It's designed to get under your skin, get you to laugh first, then think, "... Hey... goddammit, he's right! What the hell is wrong with us?"

Of course, if I have to explain that, it means the attempt failed.

I've pointed this out an almost infinite number of times: almost nothing I say here is 100% serious, nor 100% joking. There's almost universally a mixture. Laughter disarms people, lets dangerous thoughts percolate into their subconscious, where they can ruminate on them until they think such things are their own ideas.

And of course, in a week nobody will remember what I've said here. ;)

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Sunday, March 20, 2011 4:06 PM

HARDWARE


I own two rescue pit bulls myself. This behavior from two legged animals makes my blood boil.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

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Sunday, March 20, 2011 6:18 PM

PIRATENEWS

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Quote:

Originally posted by canttakesky:

What the fuck is wrong with people?



Then the Human Society killed it, as it does to 95% of "rescued" animals.

That's why I hate the animal Police TV shows...which censor psycho Big Brother doing the torture and killing. Just like PETA.

And here's what happened outside my front door this month:


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Monday, March 21, 2011 9:21 AM

CANTTAKESKY


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Originally posted by piratenews:
Then the Human Society killed it, as it does to 95% of "rescued" animals.

In this case, they didn't kill him.

https://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=55872&id=100000253631127

Here's today's update with pictures.

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Update 3/21 Patrick is doing better and gaining strength everyday. I talked to the ER nurse today and she said he is very strong and hanging in there. I was also contacted by a reporter for The Star-Ledger and she asked me to email her pictures of Patrick and they are going to do a write up of the little man and hopefully someone will come foward to catch the SOB!! This is good news!




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Monday, March 21, 2011 11:07 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Mike, YOUR turn to misunderstand. I DID get it, in fact it elicited a snort of derision when I read it; I got both the joke and the intent. I used it as a jump-off point to talk about what happened to Vicks' dogs, that's all.

Hardware: BIG kudos to you for rescuing two pits. They are WONDERFUL dogs, and the rap they’ve gotten makes MY blood boil! There are a LOT of pits in Marin, I see at least one or a pit-bull mix every time I go to the dog park...and virtually every one is a rescue. Greyhound rescue is also real big out here, given once they can’t race, they’re gotten rid of.

The irony is that pits are among the EASIEST breeds, kinda like goldens and labs...very sweet, very loving, protective sometimes yes (usually of “their” children), but in no way a “bad” breed. It pisses me off something FIERCE to hear some of the things people say about them. Definitely yes about two-legged creatures; there ARE NO BAD DOGS, there are only bad OWNERS! Almost any dog can be turned vicious (EXCEPT maybe goldens and labs, hee, hee, hee), almost any dog can be a handful if their owner doesn’t take responsibility.

Met a kid while I was out training Tashi to the sulky who had a wolf-hybrid pup on a leash. Talked to him extensively and to my somewhat relief, he knew what he was getting into and was prepared to deal with the probable problems. But it makes me sick every time I see one, knowing they will most likely end up being put down. People get pets for all the wrong reasons, and get specific breeds because they’re “beautiful” or dogs like them have been seen in recent movies...but responsibility? Hell no, it’s a possession, like I said!

As to 95% of rescues being put down, not around here! The SFSPCA has a “no kill” policy, as does our local Marin Humane Society. Unless a dog’s medical condition is unable to give him a quality of life, they work with them, give them medical attention, behavior modification, whatever it takes to get them adopted—-AND they follow up on it. I know other places in the country that’s not true, but it is here.

PN: Fuck you and may you rot in hell for that video. Luckily I didn’t watch the whole thing, just enough to be totally disgusted by YOU for posting it.

I’m glad to hear Patrick’s on the mend, CTS; he’ll get a home. All it takes is getting a dog on TV with a story behind him, and people pop up all over to adopt them. That’s the GOOD two-legged critters out there!


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Monday, March 21, 2011 12:09 PM

CANTTAKESKY


PN, I didn't watch the whole video either. WTF, man. I almost threw up.

We don't need to see snuff here.



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Tuesday, March 22, 2011 2:19 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by canttakesky:
PN, I didn't watch the whole video either. WTF, man. I almost threw up.

We don't need to see THAT snuff here.





Baffles me why all of PN's most graphic pics get shown here. NO warnings, no spoiler type block, so folks can choose to watch or not... he just puts it out there......



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Tuesday, March 22, 2011 4:02 PM

QUESTIONABLEQUESTIONALITY


Maybe if that dog had gotten a job and stopped living off his master hard earned cash he would not have ended up in a dumpster starving.

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Wednesday, March 23, 2011 6:12 AM

HARDWARE




The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

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Wednesday, March 23, 2011 7:38 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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Baffles me why all of PN's most graphic pics get shown here. NO warnings, no spoiler type block, so folks can choose to watch or not... he just puts it out there......
Which is why I virtually never watch his videos and abhor his looooong posts which include the same damned photos/doctored pictures he posts over and over and over and over. His sickness is not something I generally choose to indulge. It's his AIM, and if I miss something occasionally which has value, that's fine with me. As you said, we can choose to watch or not, and I choose to "censor" his idiocy by avoiding it.

I'm glad to see Patrick is on the mend; the look in those eyes just tears my heart out...he doesn't seem "alive" yet, just "surviving". I hope there are future pictures of him wagging his tail, or licking someone's hand, something to show he's not just fighting to stay alive...and I hope he makes it. There IS still a long ways to go, from what I see.

It saddens me how many others he represents who weren't so lucky. Jim's son picked up two tiny kittens in a box on the side of a road on a snowy mountain; one of our cats was found by Jim as a kitten in the snow; several of our pets came from shelters or were rescued by us...and so many, many more are abused, tossed aside, killed for pleasure, etc. We hear stories every day; at least the occasional ones with good endings are a small comfort.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Wednesday, March 23, 2011 7:46 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


The video is a coyote/dog hybrid, but it looked too well-fed to be feral. Very disturbing since that was done 100 yards from my house, which is why I built a fence for my dogs, to keep them safe from crazy neighbors.

Yes, lets censor all news on the internet and TV and newspapers, so adults will never know all the 100s of millions of poisonous animals they murder and eat every year, and the 10s of millions of people murdered by their insane govt every year.


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Wednesday, March 23, 2011 7:51 AM

HARDWARE


The problem PN is that you take away from adult conversations with your insane ramblings about your conspiracy theories.

Now, run along and doctor up some more photographs. The adults are having a conversation.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

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Wednesday, March 23, 2011 7:52 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


You're an ass, pure and simple, PN. You get your jollies out of spewing your filth, and I"m pretty sure you only type your material once, then copy and paste it to numerous sites. Your mentality represents the very WORST of the human race.

You don't offer "news". You only offer things which supposedly back up your sick point of view, never anything else that I've seen. But then, I haven't bothered reading your posts or links for a long time now, especially when it was noted that you make MONEY off those links.

Your excuse that by not reading your posts we are "ignoring" news is bullshit. Back when I DID bother to read your posts, I learned nothing valid from them that I hadn't already seen or heard, on the news, on the internet or elsewhere. You just glory in putting things in the most virulent manner possible, and you represent one of the worst aspects of our species.

Hardware, right on. Every single word.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Wednesday, March 23, 2011 7:57 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


The statement by Ghandi's in the video has always been important to me, and I judge the world by it. Our ability to ignore that other creatures can feel or are of value, and our rationalizations for not being compassionate toward them or the multitude of abused and/or needy HUMANS, disgust me. Whatever is weaker or more trusting or more needy is so easy to abuse, and so many do it, it makes me ashamed to be part of our strange little species sometimes.

There's another quote that has always stuck with me, by William Beebe:
Quote:

when the last individual of a race of living things breathes no more, another Heaven and another Earth must pass before such a one can be again".
Right on. I wish humans could realize that, as well as how interconnected we are to all those species and how their extinction might wwell impact US down the line.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
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Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:38 PM

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I think that we can all agree that such behavior is horrible, poor lil' puppy dog, I hope he finds a good home. Just because I don't fancy pets doesn't mean I don't think they need to be treated apropriately by their owners. If you're going to have a pet don't hurt it like that, that's nasty behavior.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Thursday, March 24, 2011 5:04 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


This is exactly how conservatives treat people every single day.

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Monday, March 28, 2011 5:19 AM

HARDWARE


http://www.facebook.com/ThePatrickMiracle

For those who want to follow Patrick's continuing story.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

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Monday, March 28, 2011 10:35 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Mike, that comment is deserving of Raptor or Kane or someone. Puts you right in the Absurdity Gutter with them. Bah.

Thanx, Hardware, I like to know how he's getting along. So few like him get a second chance...

Along those lines, some more information from the link you provided:
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The veterinary staff immediately put him on intravenous fluid.His temperature was so low that it did not even register on the thermomenter. He was covered with heating pads and blnakets. Society vet tech Gina DeSalvo held the pit bull in her arms -- she soothed him, gave him warmth, comfort and bits of food. From that moment on, he looked up with gratitude in his eyes to all of the staff.

After a brief time at the Society's Newark facility, he was ambulanced to Garden State Veterinary Specialists in Tinton Falls -- a referral hospital with 24 hour emergency care. If he died during that night, we feel he would know that everyone loved and cared about him and treated him gently and lovingly. He amazed everyone at the Society and at Garden State by surviving with the 24 hour emergency care that they rendered. He was given a blood transfusion, a bath -- and even a walk!

The Society's Res-Q Fund is just what is needed for emergency situations as this. The expenses involved are high and the effort to save this dog comes at a great cost. Although emaciated dogs have come in for our help, we have never seen one this wasted. There will be a long road to recovery and your donations to the Res-Q Fund will help Patrick.

I didn't see that "looked up with gratitude" in any of the pix I saw...he looked more wary and exhausted." Nonetheless, bless them...

Updates as of Saturday:
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Patrick is pretty tired today, he remains weak but is able to go out for short walks. He has not gained any weight but he has not lost any either which is a good sign. This morning he barked for the first time when he saw another patient being fed. Patrick is on a very strict diet so that his system can handle the intake of food. His coat is really growing in and looks shiny and healthy.

We have been informed by the New Jersey SPCA that they have identified the person who is alleged to have deprived Patrick of food and care.



I hope they catch the bastard...tho' punishments for mistreatment of animals are far too lenient. I hope they at the very LEAST make him pay for all Patrick's care, dammit.

He does look somewhat better, anyway, and his coat is obviously healthier...as of today:




Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Monday, March 28, 2011 11:06 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
This is exactly how conservatives treat people every single day.



Abort much ?

Oh, sorry. That's what planned non-parenthood is good at, right?


Anyway, go Patrick! Hope you get to tail waggin' soon!




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Monday, March 28, 2011 12:38 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
This is exactly how conservatives treat people every single day.



Abort much ?




No, I never had an abortion, sorry. Men can't have them. Did your parents not explain how reproduction works?


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Monday, March 28, 2011 12:49 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Was a pretty assinine comeback, wasn't it?


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Monday, March 28, 2011 6:02 PM

HARDWARE


I've rescued neglect dogs before. None as bad as Patrick, but you can't feed them too much food, nor too rich a food to quickly. After being starved their systems can actually crash if they get too much fat all at once. Pancreatitis is a real danger for a dog this starved. Still, just seeing him able to sit up is a good sign.

Sadly, since he's still a puppy he may be retarded from being this seriously neglected. Their bodies will stop developing the brain if they are malnourished as a puppy. One of my pits was malnourished as a pup and he's thick as a post. A good dog, just not so swift on the uptake.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

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Monday, March 28, 2011 7:04 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Hardware:
I've rescued neglect dogs before. None as bad as Patrick, but you can't feed them too much food, nor too rich a food to quickly. After being starved their systems can actually crash if they get too much fat all at once. Pancreatitis is a real danger for a dog this starved. Still, just seeing him able to sit up is a good sign.

Sadly, since he's still a puppy he may be retarded from being this seriously neglected. Their bodies will stop developing the brain if they are malnourished as a puppy. One of my pits was malnourished as a pup and he's thick as a post. A good dog, just not so swift on the uptake.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36




Not to mention the long-lasting damage that may have been done with regard to him ever TRUSTING a human again. I've got a dog I rescued as an abused pup, and she trusts my wife and I (but me more, if it's a choice), but ONLY if there's no other humans around. If there's other people, she doesn't trust us, either. She's improving, but it's been a 7-year process, and she's always going to be a bit sketchy around strangers. She's sharp, and bright, and figures things out quickly; once I can "conceptualize" a trick for her (figure out a way to make her understand what I'm trying to teach her), she generally "gets it" in one take. "Stick 'em up" took a few goes, but roll over was a one-shot. But she'll only do it on grass, because that's where I taught her: in the yard. Go figure.

She knows she's not supposed to be on the couch, so I hear her jump down when I first start to get up in the morning. I pretend I don't know, and she pretends she doesn't do it. :)

I also figured out that she was lying to me. We have a routine, in that when she goes for a walk and comes back inside, she gets a couple treats. She'd come running up to me at work after the OTHER dogs went for a walk, and she'd act all out of breath, like she just came in (my boss walks her sometimes, along with the other "shop dogs"), and if I'm busy I just assume she went, so I'd give her treats.

Then one day I asked my boss if Jeepie went with her on her walk. "Nope" - but she was panting, and acting excited, like she just came in. In other words, she figured out the things to do that would make me believe she'd been outside and taken care of her business. Little sneak!



"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Tuesday, March 29, 2011 2:44 AM

CANTTAKESKY


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Little sneak!

Wow, that's a clever dog! She sounds like a joy. :)



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Tuesday, March 29, 2011 2:59 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Kwickie has yet another female lie to him.

Wow, what are the odds?

lol


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, March 29, 2011 1:13 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by canttakesky:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Little sneak!

Wow, that's a clever dog! She sounds like a joy. :)





She absolutely is. The fact that she gets to go to work with me every day is by far the best thing about the job. No matter how shitty a day I might be having at work, getting to go play definitely takes the edge off. I'm hoping to get another Malinois at some point (and another Doberman, too!)

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Tuesday, March 29, 2011 1:13 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Kwickie has yet another female lie to him.

Wow, what are the odds?

lol




I had no idea you were female.

Huh. Learn something new every day.

lol

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Wednesday, March 30, 2011 3:16 AM

KANEMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
This is exactly how conservatives treat people every single day.




I'm pretty sure it is the conservatives that fund the food stamps 35 million liberal Americans use to eat. After all they are the only ones that pay any tax.

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Wednesday, March 30, 2011 3:20 AM

KANEMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Mike, that comment is deserving of Raptor or Kane or someone. Puts you right in the Absurdity Gutter with them. Bah.

Thanx, Hardware, I like to know how he's getting along. So few like him get a second chance...

Along those lines, some more information from the link you provided:
Quote:

The veterinary staff immediately put him on intravenous fluid.His temperature was so low that it did not even register on the thermomenter. He was covered with heating pads and blnakets. Society vet tech Gina DeSalvo held the pit bull in her arms -- she soothed him, gave him warmth, comfort and bits of food. From that moment on, he looked up with gratitude in his eyes to all of the staff.

After a brief time at the Society's Newark facility, he was ambulanced to Garden State Veterinary Specialists in Tinton Falls -- a referral hospital with 24 hour emergency care. If he died during that night, we feel he would know that everyone loved and cared about him and treated him gently and lovingly. He amazed everyone at the Society and at Garden State by surviving with the 24 hour emergency care that they rendered. He was given a blood transfusion, a bath -- and even a walk!

The Society's Res-Q Fund is just what is needed for emergency situations as this. The expenses involved are high and the effort to save this dog comes at a great cost. Although emaciated dogs have come in for our help, we have never seen one this wasted. There will be a long road to recovery and your donations to the Res-Q Fund will help Patrick.

I didn't see that "looked up with gratitude" in any of the pix I saw...he looked more wary and exhausted." Nonetheless, bless them...

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Patrick is pretty tired today, he remains weak but is able to go out for short walks. He has not gained any weight but he has not lost any either which is a good sign. This morning he barked for the first time when he saw another patient being fed. Patrick is on a very strict diet so that his system can handle the intake of food. His coat is really growing in and looks shiny and healthy.

We have been informed by the New Jersey SPCA that they have identified the person who is alleged to have deprived Patrick of food and care.



I hope they catch the bastard...tho' punishments for mistreatment of animals are far too lenient. I hope they at the very LEAST make him pay for all Patrick's care, dammit.

He does look somewhat better, anyway, and his coat is obviously healthier...as of today:




Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off






Fuck me..wow. I would have left that ugly mutt in the dumpster to. Looks like it has aids....That is the problem with dogs, they are like liberals and can't take care of themselves.

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Wednesday, March 30, 2011 4:29 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Hardware, Kwicko - That's also a problem with rescuing abused/neglected humans, bringing someone back from severe malnutrition/dehydration is no job for the weak of heart, cause what you want, and what they need are at the time very different.

Plus the trust issues - remember after thrashing those creeps who tried to barge their way in, Wendy barricaded herself in there and it took near a week for me to talk her out.
...
And she's prattling on about how we should get the ASPCA to build people shelters and let people little or no family of their own "adopt" from them...

And yanno, that's not so bad an idea - impractical maybe, but as she points out all the kids in our various social groups have "adopted" themselves a batty uncle, and who doesn't want one of those ?


Come to think of it, that's a hell of an idea - provided they don't have mental health or substance abuse issues that preclude it, we could use resources to "adopt" adult folk who are without means to abandoned/orphaned children as parents on a 2-for-1 special kind of deal, kind of a salvage family concept - which logistically would require no more resources than trying to help each individually, and in fact less because the process could be streamlined, hmmm...
AND get habitat for humanity involved on the housing end - this could grow wings indeed.

I'll hafta think about it a while.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Wednesday, March 30, 2011 7:58 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yeah, Hardware, I know about that food thing. We used to deal with the same stuff at MMC, orphaned seal and sea lion pups came in so emaciated you’d swear they couldn’t survive, and we had to tube feed them fish mash w/all kinds of meds, vitamins, etc., in it. Animals are amazing in their ability to survive the worst things—-but then so are humans...some humans at least.

Here’s a video of Dr. Scavelli feeding him by hand yesterday...looks like he’s perking up, he’s a ravenous as any pup I’ve ever seen!



And yes, both the brain development and trust issues are biggies, we’ll have to wait and see. I know MANY animals rescued from abuse carry emotional scars, some of which never go away. Hopefully, maybe, all the love and attention he’s being absolutely SHOWERED with may overtake the memories of what happened to him; he’s young enough, who knows. He certainly seems not to shy away from anyone handling him. (Lots of pix and videos day by day at http://patrickatgsvs.shutterfly.com/pictures )

Mike, that’s one sharp dog. I like the smart ones more than the loyal ones---obviously, given my love of huskies! Dogs figure us out about as quick as cats do and learn how to manipulate the situation...lord knows mine always have! But what the hell, they’re worth it to me.

A friend just e-mailed me a ton of “cute dog pictures” this morning, and I burst out laughing when I saw this one:



Kochak is a whiz counter surfer and drives us nuts sometimes with her food thievery. This isn’t her, but she looks EXACTLY like this, and it’s something she would try if she thought of it. Made me smile.

Mike, I only had one job where I could bring my dog to work, and it WAS just that wonderful. In my case she was allowed to spend her day under my desk, so she was right there to hand all the time. I’ve seen and read stories of offices which have gone “dog friendly” or “pet friendly”, and I think it’s such an amazingly SANE thing to do for people stuck in an office all day. Watched Cesar Milan work with an entire office which was having trouble with their dogs, and it was so neat.

Frem, I think that’s a cool idea...run with it, man!


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Wednesday, March 30, 2011 10:10 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Well, at least three of the residents of site three take their dogs with them to work, so I guess it's not as rare around here.

One has a fluffy little yapper dog, one has a pair of the LAZIEST Beagles I've ever seen, and one has an overweight, arthritic poodle which is nonetheless as sweet hearted a dog as I've known - that's the one I scooped up and planted on her doorstep when it was snowing, cause she couldn't manage and I don't think he coulda carried her.

Alas that one of our residents has passed on this week past, nice old irish guy, damn shame it was, but he lived a full and rich life, and was only hanging in there so he could see one more St Pattys Day - imma miss him, both personally and professionally, cause when he came home from work he'd drive slowly around the complex in his big red van and call me if he spotted anything that looked flaky.

Oh yes, and there's one lady down the way here takes her cat to work with her, but as she works in the warehouse of a food distributor one can imagine they're quite keen on having a cat around to chase off the local rodents - which gives me a bit of pause cause the local rodents are almost BIGGER than her puny little kitty, who's kinda small even for a housecat, but apparently she's a little package of pure TNT when it comes to rodent removal.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Wednesday, March 30, 2011 3:02 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


I'm sorry about your friend passing away, he sounds like fun. Who's allowed to live at sight 3? Sounds like lots of people live there who aren't your kids that you help.

I know I'm in the minority here, but I'm glad no one at my work brings their pets. My work is my "safe zone" so I don't like it when unexpected non human creatures interfere with my safe zone. We've had a few people come in with service animals over the years but not very many, breaths sigh of relief. I know that's mean but I'm just bein honest. But its cool if no one minds having animals there for people to be able to take theirs ... I guess ... I'm trying to identify with that need of folks, but I really am having a hard time ... but I'm trying to be socially ept and try to appease the masses.

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Wednesday, March 30, 2011 3:31 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Frem, sorry to hear about your friend's passing. If you're of a mind, drink a Jameson to him for me - he sounds like someone who was worth knowing!

Niki, Jeepie's a sharp one, but also quite timid. Her sister, Swee'Pea, was the daring one. Sadly, she got out one night and was hit by a car and killed. Jeepie will not take the lead in any "pack" situation, and if threatened, she hides behind me, whereas my Dobie, Uma, would get beween me and any perceived threat, facing the threat head-on. Jeepie relies on me as her "alpha" - it took me a while to figure that out, but she never needed to be in charge, and always had another dog to lead her - first Swee'Pea, and then Uma.

When we go walking with the other dogs, Jeepie puts herself firmly in the middle of the pack, not on the outside, not in the lead.

For quite a while, we were the only ones in our complex to bring dogs to work. Now, though, more than half the tenants do it, so we have a regular dog pack that all goes for walks and playtime at around 10 every morning. Jeepie has gotten very comfortable with all the dogs in an outdoor environment (there's usually 6, sometimes as many as 10!), but she can get a little territorial when "strange" dogs come into her warehouse. One of the guys down the way had some errands to run today, and asked if I could watch his black Lab pup, Hope, which we were more than happy to do, because it helps socialize her towards other people and places (and dogs!), and it helps Jeepers socialize towards other dogs in her space.

It worked out wonderfully (this is our third time doing this, so it's still a bit new) - Hope calmed down and settled in, while giving Jeepie some space, and Jeepie didn't give Hope any grief, or even show her teeth once!

We're determined to give Jeepie as normal a life as we possibly can, and it's been quite a bit of work, but it's working, and it's well worth it.


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Wednesday, March 30, 2011 3:35 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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I'm sorry about your friend passing away, he sounds like fun. Who's allowed to live at sight 3? Sounds like lots of people live there who aren't your kids that you help.

I know I'm in the minority here, but I'm glad no one at my work brings their pets. My work is my "safe zone" so I don't like it when unexpected non human creatures interfere with my safe zone. We've had a few people come in with service animals over the years but not very many, breaths sigh of relief. I know that's mean but I'm just bein honest. But its cool if no one minds having animals there for people to be able to take theirs ... I guess ... I'm trying to identify with that need of folks, but I really am having a hard time ... but I'm trying to be socially ept and try to appease the masses.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya




I get that, and I understand. Some people just aren't comfortable around animals. I'm in the pet industry, so it would be weird for me NOT to bring my dog to work. There are only four of us in this office, and we all bring our dogs to work on a daily basis.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Wednesday, March 30, 2011 3:44 PM

AURAPTOR

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Beyond adorable.



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Thursday, March 31, 2011 8:22 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Oh.

I run a small security biz, Riona - which isn't affilliated with CoTL/VI, although some (not many) of our rescuees have chosen to work for me, sure.

We protect various sites around here, a couple industrials which is sort of a theft protection/safety gaurd thing, since it's far, far more common to have a guard call in something potentially dangerous than a prowler...

And a handful of neighborhoods or apartment complexes which have chosen to opt for contract security to do the job that the cops won't because they're too busy making money via forfeiture, traffic "enforcement" and arbitrary shakedowns - for all that tax money you get about jack, yes ?

So some of the neighborhoods and communities hired me and mine to do for them, and we're not talkin gated community and prowler car, these neighborhoods are POOR, the median income at site three is less than $30k/year, and one neighborhood we've started covering is even less by a margin, they take up a goddam collection to pay us, even though we did cut them a break on cost.

Guards get a basic uniform, and a week of actual hands-on, supervised training (by me) rather than a 10 minute video, which is all the "training" most places offer - and that's it, any further equipment is on them, provided it does not include weapons and they have one hand free at all times.
And they WALK the site, none of this sitting around half asleep in car with the heater running, you suit up and you get OUT THERE, talk to people, become a fixture of the community, know your site, and then when something is WRONG, you know without needin told, yadda yadda...

So site three is a little teensy podunk apartment complex backed up against a small lake here, and they're all single-story, ground floor units, 4-8 units to a building, each with their own entrance - kinda nice actually despite being old and a bit run down, and CHEAP, despite the neighborhood not having the problems one would think, no drug cartel, no loud and obnoxious dickheads, no bug infestations outside of the occasional little spiders, which EAT the other bugs and are best left alone as harmless.

It's also shoved all back in the woods on one end, so we do have a plethora of raccoons, possums, rabbits, and the like, who's antics amuse me to no end cause the freakin raccons try to beg food off me, heh.

I liked it, quiet, peaceful, and since it was cheaper than the place I did have a 1/4mile away, I moved in, which the management is VERY happy about not only cause it improves their security, but because it recycles some of their security budget right back into their pocket - see, with me here it's not just a matter of the job, it becomes a "turf" issue, and NONE of the local thugs are stupid enough to cross sabres with me cause they'd be doing so in the dark, on my home ground, with me all geared up and ready to rumble.
There's NOTHING here which could possibly be worth that to em, and even better is that they will warn off other thugs from outside the area, as an extra line of defense...

Wendy had Alice get her a unit here, and then presented the rental contract to me as a fait accompli, so I just rolled with it, better that she is close and I can keep an eye on her anyways - while she's not allowed on the road with it since she cannot get a drivers license due to her vision, I did get her a Honda Spree to putter about the complex with, which I now gotta un-winterise and set up for her today.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Thursday, March 31, 2011 11:35 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Isn't he/she Raptor? As Jim and I have often said of both our cat and dog pets: "If only they had opposable thumbs, we'd be REALLY screwed". Looks like this one figured out how to do it without thumbs!

Frem, my deepest sympathy for your loss, and for the family's.

Mike, Jeepie sounds like a doll...can we get any photos, please, please? I LOVE pix of people's pets!


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Thursday, March 31, 2011 11:45 AM

RIONAEIRE

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That's cool Frem, it sounds like Wendy likes having a unit/space of her own to do her own thing in. So is there still a place where kids who need you guys' help live, or is that pretty much done.



"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Thursday, March 31, 2011 12:51 PM

AURAPTOR

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Isn't he/she Raptor? As Jim and I have often said of both our cat and dog pets: "If only they had opposable thumbs, we'd be REALLY screwed". Looks like this one figured out how to do it without thumbs!



Our Max wasn't that clever, but man, was he a complete brat. Adorable, but stubborn as the day is long. No idea where he got those traits.


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Thursday, March 31, 2011 4:49 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Mike, Jeepie sounds like a doll...can we get any photos, please, please? I LOVE pix of people's pets!




Sadly, most of them were on the computer when the hard drive went south, and were backed up on ImageStation, which is also now gone. Multiple backups (both physical storage and cloud-based) are heartily recommended. I'll dig around and see if there are any more. I had some on my work computer, but it died around Thanksgiving. Might have a few saved on the server at work, but most have been posted before.

Ironically, now that cameras have become ubiquitous, I find myself rarely taking pictures. I do miss having a good SLR and a darkroom and developing my own photos, though.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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