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We’re all focused right now on Libya and budget battles at home, but this story from Bangladesh just broke my heart and outraged me — and offers a reminder of the daily human rights struggles of so many women and girls in villages around the world. A 14-year-old Bangladeshi girl, Hena,allegedly was ambushed when she went to an outdoor toilet, gagged, beaten and raped by an older man in her village (who was actually her cousin). They were caught by wife of the alleged rapist, and the wife then beat Hena up. An imam at a local mosque issued a fatwa saying that Hena was guilty of adultery and must be punished, and a village makeshift court sentenced Hena to 100 lashes in a public whipping.

Her last words were protestations of innocence. An excellent CNN blog post, based on interviews with family members, says that the parents “had no choice but to mind the imam’s order. They watched as the whip broke the skin of their youngest child and she fell unconscious to the ground.”

Hena collapsed after 70 lashes and was taken to the hospital. She died a week later, by some accounts because of internal bleeding and a general loss of blood. The doctors recorded her death as a suicide. (Women and girls who are raped are typically expected to commit suicide, to spare everyone the embarrassment of an honor crime.) I’ve covered enough of these kinds of stories to know that it’s difficult to know exactly what happened unless you’re on the scene talking to everyone who was there; maybe the imam has a different version of events. But all accounts that I’ve seen such that this was a brutal attack on a helpless girl in the name of sharia and justice.

Fortunately, Bangladesh has a robust civil society, which has reacted with outrage to the case. A court ordered the body exhumed after word leaked out, and an examination revealed severe injuries. Lawsuits are now underway against the doctors who had called her death a suicide, and several people have been rounded up — including the alleged rapist. The Bangladesh press is on the case. But Hena’s family is under police protection because of concern that other villagers will take revenge at them for getting the imam and others in trouble.

Let’s hope that the public reaction and punishments are so strong that the word goes out to all of Bangladesh’s villages that such misogynist fatwas are not only immoral but also illegal. And that the crime lies not in being raped, but in raping.

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A 14-year-old Bangladeshi girl,

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Before we get all self-righteous, the attitudes toward rape described in this article were prevalent in this country only a hundred years ago (or less).

The writer, once again, wants to make this about a designated victim group - the "hate crime" mentality that makes a crime or injustice against members of some groups more heinous than the same crimes against people who are not members of those groups. And a corollary assumption that members of the designated victim groups are all good people and the others are assumed to be bad people. Reverse prejudice is still prejudice. Reverse discrimination is still discrimination.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
I'm almost not sure what to feel worse about. The girl who was raped and then brutally murdered in a farce of justice, or the internet sideshow jumping all over her grave.

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I'm almost not sure what to feel worse about. The girl who was raped and then brutally murdered in a farce of justice, or the internet sideshow jumping all over her grave.

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It's all sad.

These people who call themselves "muslim" are not real Muslims.

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Originally posted by kaneman:

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
The goal here, in perpetuating this story is to make you hate muslims, but I don't think that this is an accurate portrayal of muslims in general.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Exactly.

Notice how pissed "christians" get when I point out some of the horrors inflicted by followers of their particular "god". HItler was a Roman Catholic. So was Tim McVeigh.

I've yet to hear any of those on the right call for investigations into christians to see what evil they have planned, or to see how their churches are radicalizing American christians.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I've yet to hear any of those on the right call for investigations into christians to see what evil they have planned, or to see how their churches are radicalizing American christians.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
This kind of thing could have never happened here in America. She'd be burned as a witch instead.

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This kind of thing could have never happened here in America. She'd be burned as a witch instead.

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Then she'd be the first one.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Possibly. Certainly not the first one *KILLED* for it, though.

http://www.witchway.net/times/salemwitchtrials.html

We have a rich history of some pretty horrific shit right here at home. In fact, our country was founded on some pretty horrific shit.

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Possibly. Certainly not the first one *KILLED* for it, though.

http://www.witchway.net/times/salemwitchtrials.html

We have a rich history of some pretty horrific shit right here at home. In fact, our country was founded on some pretty horrific shit.

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But here it's history, three hundred years old, and everyone is aware it was wrong and horrible. In Bangladesh and other places where village courts and Imams routinely decree flogging and stoning of rape victims for adultery, women are dying today, and the powers-that-be there don't seem to mind much.

Then again you don't seem to mind much, except as an excuse to say how America is so much worse.

I think I stick with my previous conclusion. You're a sick fuck and I'll just leave you alone with that.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Possibly. Certainly not the first one *KILLED* for it, though.

http://www.witchway.net/times/salemwitchtrials.html

We have a rich history of some pretty horrific shit right here at home. In fact, our country was founded on some pretty horrific shit.

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But here it's history, three hundred years old, and everyone is aware it was wrong and horrible. In Bangladesh and other places where village courts and Imams routinely decree flogging and stoning of rape victims for adultery, women are dying today, and the powers-that-be there don't seem to mind much.

Then again you don't seem to mind much, except as an excuse to say how America is so much worse.

I think I stick with my previous conclusion. You're a sick fuck and I'll just leave you alone with that.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Well, your previous conclusion also ended with you throwing a little bitch-fit and announcing that you were taking your ball and going home, but you lied about that, too.

Show me where I said America is so much worse, or shut the fuck up about it, ya worthless fuck.

I guess since you don't spend every day proselytizing against the sick fucking "christians" who gleefully murder doctors in this country, you don't seem to mind them doing that. In fact, since I've never seen you condemn such actions, I can only surmise that you approve of them. Hey, assigning opinions and positions is fun, eh, fucko?

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Originally posted by kaneman:
ROFL...Geezer, what had you forgotten that everything is "America is worse" with that fucking idiot? Why do you think only an old drugged out hippie ever comes to his defense?

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Possibly. Certainly not the first one *KILLED* for it, though.

http://www.witchway.net/times/salemwitchtrials.html

We have a rich history of some pretty horrific shit right here at home. In fact, our country was founded on some pretty horrific shit.

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But here it's history, three hundred years old, and everyone is aware it was wrong and horrible. In Bangladesh and other places where village courts and Imams routinely decree flogging and stoning of rape victims for adultery, women are dying today, and the powers-that-be there don't seem to mind much.

Then again you don't seem to mind much, except as an excuse to say how America is so much worse.

I think I stick with my previous conclusion. You're a sick fuck and I'll just leave you alone with that.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Well, your previous conclusion also ended with you throwing a little bitch-fit and announcing that you were taking your ball and going home, but you lied about that, too.

Show me where I said America is so much worse, or shut the fuck up about it, ya worthless fuck.

I guess since you don't spend every day proselytizing against the sick fucking "christians" who gleefully murder doctors in this country, you don't seem to mind them doing that. In fact, since I've never seen you condemn such actions, I can only surmise that you approve of them. Hey, assigning opinions and positions is fun, eh, fucko?

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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I don't support that at all. It just happens so infrequently that it stays under my radar. Know what I mean, huh, fucko?

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
I see that the West is motivated by selfish greed, and willing to use violence against others when its power/economic base is threatened

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John Smith: Savage is just a word, uh, you know. A term for people who are uncivilized.
Pocahontas: Like me.
John Smith: Well, when I say uncivilized, what I mean is, is...
Pocahontas: What you mean is, "not like you."


Pocahontas: You think I'm an ignorant "savage" and you've been so many places; I guess it must be so, but still I cannot see if the savage one is me.

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
And then they fired on the van, a family with children, who stopped to carry off the injured!!!

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But a review of internal Army records and investigative files obtained by Rolling Stone, including dozens of interviews with members of Bravo Company compiled by military investigators, indicates that the dozen infantrymen being portrayed as members of a secretive "kill team" were operating out in the open, in plain view of the rest of the company. Far from being clandestine, as the Pentagon has implied, the murders of civilians were common knowledge among the unit and understood to be illegal by "pretty much the whole platoon," according to one soldier who complained about them. Staged killings were an open topic of conversation, and at least one soldier from another battalion in the 3,800-man Stryker Brigade participated in attacks on unarmed civilians. "The platoon has a reputation," a whistle-blower named Pfc. Justin Stoner told the Army Criminal Investigation Command. "They have had a lot of practice staging killings and getting away with it."

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If you ever said "Support the Troops!", you are a socialist...

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If you ever said "Support the Troops!", you are a socialist...

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Wow.

Seriously.... that's about as stupid as it gets, ladies and gents.

Just wow.

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Curious how this thread, and seemingly every other, turn into discussions about how the US and/or Christians must be worse.

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
how about 'don't take the moral high ground, when you aint behaving so moral' or if you want to get biblical 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone..'

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I claimed that by and large, they are no better, despite the claims of Americans and/or Christians to the contrary.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

We've already shown that the military IS socialism in action - taking MY tax dollars and buying things for other people that I have no desire to buy them. In addition, military veterans tend to get MUCH better benefits and pensions than private-sector workers do. For instance, what other job, after 20 years on the job, gives you half your salary - with regular increases - AND free health care for life?

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Of course you won't see this for the reality of it, and of course you'll support it. You ALWAYS support murder, just as long as it's Americans doing the killing. As you said earlier, "abso-fucking-lootely". You're quite proud of it, too.

Just wow, indeed.

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Anyway, I appear the only recent poster thinking this way and I've already ruined my position with an immature rant, so carry on

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how about 'don't take the moral high ground, when you aint behaving so moral' or if you want to get biblical 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone..'

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Exactly.

Or "He who lives in glass houses shouldn't throw stones."

Or "Pot, meet kettle."

Or, "Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam [is] in thine own eye?" (Matt 7:4)

Or, generalizing this girl's brutal, atrocious murder to "Islam" is as fallacious as generalizing that 15 year old Afghan boy,s (Mudin's) murder to "Christianity."

That's all we're saying.

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Originally posted by TheHappyTrader:
I ain't casting stones or claiming any high ground, moral or otherwise. Not entirely sure why that's attributed to me... is it a complement? That was just a rant, focused on a behavior (not an individual(s)) from my viewpoint, and one I apologized for in advance. Obviously mine ain't the only viewpoint. I apologize again if it helps. I did miss your post though megons, sorry 'bout that.

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Originally posted by TheHappyTrader:
I ain't casting stones or claiming any high ground, moral or otherwise.

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