Germans struggle down the bumpy anti-nuclear road... by kpo

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Germans struggle down the bumpy anti-nuclear road...

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Tuesday, May 3, 2011 1:08 AM

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

Besides the rising electricity prices and loss of energy independence felt by the whole country, Environmentalists are also having to come to terms with issues like the boost to coal-fired plants and new, very visible high-voltage power lines being erected in the middle of iconic and picturesque countryside...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13257804

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Tuesday, May 3, 2011 2:27 AM

DREAMTROVE

Currently the British govt. is paying Scotland to shut down windmills because the grid cannot hand the quantity of power they are producing.

The abundance of energy so dwarfs humanity's ability to consume, all that's lacking is humanity's willingness to think:

We as a species need to turn off our TVs, quit our meaningless jobs and start collaborating with our fellow human beings.

Oh, and who cares what govt. we have? That's other people, doing something else, unless it's immediately going to kill us, enslave us or destroy the planet, we should ignore it. If it is going to do those things, we should unite against whatever action it is taking.

We need to stop ourselves from wasting time. That includes arguing on RWED

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Tuesday, May 3, 2011 10:16 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
We as a species need to turn off our TVs, quit our meaningless jobs and start collaborating with our fellow human beings.

And statements like this always make me wonder exactly who's supposed to decide what is a meaningless job and what form that collaboration should take? And BTW, what if our fellow human beings don't want to collaborate?

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Tuesday, May 3, 2011 10:24 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

But back to the struggle down the NIMBY road.

Here around D.C. folks have been railing at Pepco, the power company for the District and its Maryland suburbs, about power outages during storms, usually due to trees falling on the lines. So Pepco went out and started cutting the trees on their right-of-way that threaten power lines. You'd have thought they were crucifying babies! "How can they cut down these beautiful trees? They didn't consult us about it! This must stop!"

Strangely, the place most accepting of the cutting was the National Arboretum, where they were glad the power company took down trees leaning, not only toward the power lines, but also toward the arboretum's fence.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Tuesday, May 3, 2011 10:58 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

My father always told me that the best time to look for a new job was while you still had one.

I don't know why people would leave off one power-generation technology that they don't like until they had a likeable alternative in place.

Dream,

I agree that the UK seems to need better power infrastructure capable of distributing power where needed. The energy being produced by the windmills was needed, but not able to be distributed to where it was needed.

--Anthony

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Mahatma Gandhi

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Tuesday, May 3, 2011 2:00 PM

DREAMTROVE

Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
We as a species need to turn off our TVs, quit our meaningless jobs and start collaborating with our fellow human beings.

And statements like this always make me wonder exactly who's supposed to decide what is a meaningless job and what form that collaboration should take? And BTW, what if our fellow human beings don't want to collaborate?

"Keep the Shiny side up"

Geezer

this is just being kermudgeonly. There are many humans in the world. Those that don't want to help, don't.

I'm sure you understand that I don't think that those that do will have to support those that don't.

Everyone who has a meaningless job knows they have one. A friend of mine double checks spreadsheets. The computer is never wrong. He does it all day wrong, and the computer continues to never make an error.

Another friend of mine files paperwork for a govt. office. The faster and more efficiently he files it, the more work they give him.

Anthony,

Yeah, I knew that was part of the equation, but it does mock the "windmills don't generate power" argument because undoubtedly other things have fed into the grid.

I get your point about looking for a new job, ie. looking for a new power source. The first thing we need to do is to economize. Just like you would do with your checkbook, find out what you're spending that you actually *need* to spend, and trim the fat.

I need my computer, and my internet router. I think I'm up to ten watts. I think I could make do on a kwh/day. 2 more to get hot water if i don't have a solar heater.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Tuesday, May 3, 2011 4:17 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Geezer

this is just being kermudgeonly. There are many humans in the world. Those that don't want to help, don't.

And people also have differing ideas as to what constitutes "help".

Quote:
Everyone who has a meaningless job knows they have one.

Okay, so people who believe they have meaningless jobs (rather than 'we as a species') should quit them and do something they believe is worthwhile? Hopefully something that provides enough for their subsistance.

I tend to get uncomfortable when folks say "You really need to...". When it's "The species really needs to..." I start wondering when the speaker plans for the 're-education' camps to open.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Tuesday, May 3, 2011 4:27 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

"but it does mock the "windmills don't generate power" argument "

Hello,

I have never heard this argument.

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”

Jacob Hornberger

“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi

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Tuesday, May 3, 2011 4:31 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

"The first thing we need to do is to economize. Just like you would do with your checkbook, find out what you're spending that you actually *need* to spend, and trim the fat.

I need my computer, and my internet router. I think I'm up to ten watts. I think I could make do on a kwh/day. 2 more to get hot water if i don't have a solar heater"

Hello,

I probably waste a lot of power every day. I like technologies that are built with inherent power saving features, because they save me from myself. Without changing my behavior, I save a lot of power with those little flourescent screw-in bulbs that have become ubiquitous. Stuff like that makes me happy.

I once read an article about minimalist housing, where people try to live in tiny dwellings with built-in everything that folds out or whatnot. Everything you need for a married couple in 100 square feet. That kind of thing.

It doesn't appeal to me, but I understand the allure from the perspective of resource conservation.

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”

Jacob Hornberger

“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi

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