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Bill Gates Looks to Reinvent the Toilet

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Thursday, July 14, 2011 10:13 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Something we in the West don't give any thought to, but which is a serious issue in some countries. It's another example of the global solutions we need to be considering as populations rise.
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Bill Gates, the founder of Microsoft who has morphed into the world's best-known philanthropist, wants to reinvent the toilet.

This next big idea for the good of mankind will now also be getting help from German taxpayers after Development Minister Dirk Niebel earmarked $10 million for a joint project with the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. Over the next five years, this project aims to provide 800,000 people in Kenya with access to sanitation facilities and ensure clean drinking water for 200,000.

The goal is to find "innovative solutions" for sanitation in poor urban areas. Gates says it's time to move on from the era of the classic toilet. He points out that, despite all the recent achievements, 40% of the world's population, or some 2.5 billion people, still lives without proper means of flushing away excrement. But just giving them Western-style toilets isn't possible because of the world's limited water resources.

The matter is urgent: the lack of sanitary installations and hygienic waste removal furthers the spread of disease. UNICEF estimates that 1.1 billion people worldwide don't have access to any kind of toilet or ways of eliminating waste. That, in turn, fouls drinking water and can cause diarrhea, which spreads quickly.

According to UNICEF, at least 1.2 million children under the age of 5 die of diarrhea every year; the main cause is contact with human feces. At the end of June, U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon — together with UNICEF — approved a five-year sustainable sanitation plan under which the number of people who have no access to toilets would be halved by 2015.

Dutch engineer Frank Rijsberman agrees. He heads the Water, Sanitation & Hygiene department at the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, and he is presently working on two projects. With one project, the foundation supports the construction of pit latrines in rural areas and slums without sanitation facilities. With the other, it supports research projects, giving grants to scientists who come up with new ideas for using human excrement. He says there have been experiments to turn excrement into a kind of microwave that can be used as a source of energy.

He says there are biological bacteria that could turn waste into compost; he talks about the possibility of toilets actually turning urine into drinking water. Human waste could be a real gold mine, Rijsberman jokes. In view of the world's limited water resources, both the Gates Foundation and German Development Policy support various projects for dry toilets that do not use water to flush and that separate excrement from urine in order to dry it.

Another method put forward by the Gates Foundation in South Africa is using the urine of 400,000 people to make nitrogenous fertilizer in powder form. A similar albeit high-tech variation is currently being tested by the Society for International Cooperation in Eschborn, Germany. Germany and the Gates Foundation's projects are complementary, says the German Ministry for Development. The importance of this research is not always easy to explain, says Rijsberman, because anything having to do with human waste provokes a "yuck factor."

Furthermore, hundreds of thousands of those concerned are far from convinced that it's a good idea to use toilets in the first place. "We have a lot of work ahead us," says Rijsberman, who knows he can count on his boss's full support.

And the billionaire himself seizes every opportunity to lobby for the end of the traditional Western toilet. In April, Gates met with German Chancellor Angela Merkel and President Christian Wulff in Berlin. In a press conference he told journalists that they didn't talk politics, but discussed the idea of the "ultimate toilet."

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2082509,00.html

I certainly agree about the "yuck factor", but maybe we're going to need to consider a number of things with yuck factor as time goes on, eh?

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Thursday, July 14, 2011 10:41 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


And he's going to call it what, ? Micro-Dumper? Then copyright it and charge both an Installation Fee and a User charge?

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Thursday, July 14, 2011 1:12 PM

RIONAEIRE

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It can be pretty easy to take things for granted and forget how fortunate we are in life.

I love that movie Waterworld, at the beginning the Mariner pees into his plant and the water filters through this system and he drinks it, yucky, but memorable, plus I've seen the film a bunch of times.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Thursday, July 14, 2011 1:42 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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And he's going to call it what, ? Micro-Dumper? Then copyright it and charge both an Installation Fee and a User charge?




Let's hope it's considerably less shitty and crash-prone than his current products.

But it would bring new meaning to the phrase, "I've got to go download something!"

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Thursday, July 14, 2011 2:49 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Indeed, nobody in their right mind trusts Gates to do anything - besides which, he won't invent shit, he'll just steal someone elses idea, scream a tantrum that it was his own, and buy a hearing to rubberstamp his theft.

That said, conventional toilets are wasteful and inefficient, and could indeed be substantially improved, although I'd enlist engineers in the process to crosscheck the work of idealists who don't think it through - a little research into the fiasco of low-flow toiletry shows just how counterproductive they are, not to mention many cases where the end result has been expensive damage to sewage lines, not to mention the resultant cleanup and whatnot.

Good ideas in the hands of folk who fail to think it through can be damn dangerous - consider MBTE, another issue where the damage outweighed any possible benefit.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Thursday, July 14, 2011 4:00 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I don't like Gates personally (will never forgive him for the source of all his bucks--OR for Windows!), but he's among the few young richies who work hard to "give back", and for that I admire and respect him, and I wish him and whoever else tries to tackle these huge issues all the luck in the world. That's all.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
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Friday, July 15, 2011 2:44 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


What's so heinous about Gates that you'd not forgive him for " the source for all his bucks " ?

What specifically is that suppose to mean?

And I reject this absurd construct that he or any of those who succeed have to 'give back'. They didn't TAKE from anyone. This 'give back' crap implies that they now have that which was once in the possession of someone else. Fact is, achievers EARNED what they have, for the most part, and have worked hard for it. They created their own, more often being impeded by others.

( And as for Gates specific, spare me the tired old mantra that he stole this or that from others. It's been done to death already. Not what I'm talking about )



" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, July 15, 2011 5:31 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Hey, guess what's been done to death already? Your fanatical objection to "giving back".


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Friday, July 15, 2011 1:15 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by Niki2:

Hey, guess what's been done to death already? Your fanatical objection to "giving back".



It's not 'giving back'. It's simply GIVING.

Celebrate that, properly, for what it truly is.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, July 16, 2011 5:56 AM

NIKI2

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Bull It's a colloquialism; that you can't stand it is funny as hell.


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Saturday, July 16, 2011 6:46 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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( And as for Gates specific, spare me the tired old mantra that he stole this or that from others. It's been done to death already. Not what I'm talking about )




So you don't have any specific objection to the fact that Gates did indeed steal this or that from others - you just don't think it's a big deal to steal from others. And you sure as hell don't think that if you steal from others, you should in any way feel obligated to "give back".

We get that. We really do. After all, you've hinted that you're in the financial services industry, so it's to be expected of you that you wouldn't want to "give back" to those you've taken so much from.

If you ever said "Support the Troops!", you are a socialist. You've taken money from me, by force and at gunpoint, and you've given it to people who are on a mission I don't support, and are murdering others in my name, and I am given no choice in the matter.

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Saturday, July 16, 2011 10:22 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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And you sure as hell don't think that if you steal from others, you should in any way feel obligated to "give back".


Not sure from where you get your ideas. Certainly not by reading anything I've posted.
If you steal, you should be punished for stealing.
Pretty 1st grade simple, yet you somehow get confused w/ that concept.

If you work hard, build up something, and do well for yourself, you're not obligated to 'give back' to anyone. YOU did it, not them. You can, if you so decide, choose to donate some of that which is yours, to those who could benefit, but that's for you to decide, not the Imperial Federal Govt.

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We get that. We really do. After all, you've hinted that you're in the financial services industry, so it's to be expected of you that you wouldn't want to "give back" to those you've taken so much from.


You really don't 'get that'. Funny, I've made no such 'hint', and I have no clue where you get such an idea. Probably like most of your views, out of thin air.

And it's clear that you have no concept of what being a socialist even means.



" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, July 17, 2011 8:48 PM

RIONAEIRE

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I never thought about it before, but the phrase "give back" is really clichet as Raptor points out, at least I think that might be what he's trying to say. But clichet phrases are so common and people use them without even thinking, I've got bigger words and phrases to whinge about that I don't like, so I'll leave this one alone, in a minute. I think it is accurate if someone got help from someone and then they pay it forward by helping others, that would be "giving back" in my opinion.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, July 18, 2011 1:42 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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And it's clear that you have no concept of what being a socialist even means.





Actually, that sig line is a crack at you idiot tea-baggers, who claim EVERYTHING is "socialism" (except y'all generally misspell it on your cute little signs). It's you who has no idea what socialism even means.

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Monday, July 18, 2011 2:18 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Actually, a toilet that used no water or flushed less water would be pretty useful. Basically in poor rural areas they reuse their shit. They were environmental before it became fashionable amongst well off middle class westerners, But urban areas, urck! Watching turds float past your window must really take some getting used to.

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Monday, July 18, 2011 6:55 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yeah, Magons, from what I read, that's pretty much what it's about. Some of the ideas were pretty yucky to the general reader, but eventually something's gotta be done. Here as well as elsewhere. Or not...

The "give back" thing is silly. One can interpret it as giving back to a country which provided one with opportunities one wouldn't have elsewhere (which appears to be how Gates views it); or one could search Gates' history to see if he got any subsidies or scholarships or so on before saying he's not giving anything back. It's really just Raptor's pet peeve, emanating from his obvious need to see things in black and white. He'll bitch about it every time it comes up, guaranteed.

Aside from which, if BILL GATES feels he's "giving back", who are we to tell him he's not? The man's got a right to believe what he believes.

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People already know that Bill Gates, the founder of Microsoft, has more money than anyone in the world. What they may not know is that he's also giving away more money than anyone. Gates is dedicating billions to fight diseases like malaria that are still killers in the developing world even though they have been all but eliminated everywhere else. "This Week" spoke with him earlier this week at a global health summit cosponsored by Time magazine and ABC News.

.....

Stephanopoulos: ...how did you decide to start giving it away and how did you choose global health?

Bill Gates: Well, the first thing was the decision that it probably wouldn't be good for my kids, for it to go to them, and so then the question of--

Stephanopoulos: Will they get nothing?

Gates: They'll get something, but not a substantial percentage. Then, the question is how to give it back to society to have the best impact.

.....

Stephanopoulos: Melinda has said that the night before you got married, your mom wrote her a letter which was a real inspiration. What did she say?

Gates: Well, my mom was very involved in the community, always gave a lot of time in nonprofit activities more than anything else. And she thought that given the success, which was just starting then, that responsibility was commensurate with that, and so very excited that Melinda would be there to partner with me and help us make the right choices.

More at http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/GlobalHealth/story?id=1286093

That SHOULD put that to rest. But it won't.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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