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Originally posted by Niki2:
Geezer, you may consider it a tax hike, but the Democrats have asked for an end to subsidies to ultra-rich corporations and closing of tax loopholes...

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The GOP has a deal where it'll raise the debt ceiling ( again ) along w/ real , actual cuts in spending.

There. That's compromise.

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Originally posted by Niki2:

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It's Obama who isn't compromising

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...and that's all your remarks deserve.

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The GOP has a deal where it'll raise the debt ceiling ( again ) along w/ real , actual cuts in spending.

There. That's compromise.

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Agreeing to not blow up the economy so long as we give you exactly what you want in terms of cuts -- that's your idea of compromise?

This is what we're up against...

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Congress DID its job. Not kowtowing to Obama's extreme Marxist ideas of massive govt spending isn't a failure to do its job. If anything, it's exactly what they're there to do.


And as for impeachable, the Fast & Furious gun running program , which resulted in the death of a US Fed agent, should be what's mentioned more here.

Holder, at the very least, should be getting his prison slippers ready.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Originally posted by AURaptor:



What you're up against is sensible, sober politicians who have said enough to mindless , pointless spending, and are at least LOOKING at taking back control of our budget.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
(a) Let the U.S. default.

The voters blame the economy, the crash, and the debt ceiling debacle as being the fault of the Republicans. They also by a 3-to-1 margin WANT tax increases to be part of any plan to reduce the deficit and pay down the debt. They always have, even when Bushy was handing out $600 checks and telling people that there was absolutely no need to pay down our debt (and the GOP backed him up on that)

So let the government default. CONGRESS has to raise the debt limit. If they don't, it's on them. If the GOP wants to tell the people of the world that the United States has absolutely no intention of ever paying back the money it has borrowed (the vast majority of it borrowed by Republicans, don't forget!), then by all means, let them tell the world that.

And when it's time to stop sending out those checks, make damned sure to start with those Congresspeople who voted against raising the limit, and cut off their funding first. After all, it IS what they wanted.

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It's the GOP who is TRYING to make Obama accountable for the mess they've caused.

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No money is being " handed over " to the rich! The very thought of that being the case shows just how upside down is your thinking.

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YOU want to burden this nation's children and grandchildren with debt which none of us should have to carry, simply for purely selfish reasons.

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It's the GOP who is TRYING to hold Obama accountable for the mess he's caused.

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That said, I thiiiink I'm okay raising the debt ceiling, and I'm even okay raising taxes for now, but I also really think we need to cut out some of the spending and pay some of this back somehow. In the very least so it doesn't get held over us and we're forced into stuff that's basically slavery or "kill us all."

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So here we are, in a country with more wheat, and more corn, and more money in the bank, more cotton, more everything in the world; there's not a product that you can name that we haven't got more of than any other country ever had on the face of the earth, and yet we've got people starving. We'll hold the distinction of being the only nation in the history of the world that ever went to the poor house in an automobile. The potter's fields are lined with granaries full of grain.

These people that you are asked to aid, why they are not asking for charity, they are naturally asking for a job, but if you can't give them a job why the next best thing you can do is see that they have food and the necessities of life. You know, there's not a one of us has anything that these people that are without it now haven't contributed to what we've got. I don't suppose there is the most unemployed or the hungriest man in America that hasn't contributed in some way to the wealth of every millionaire in America. It was the big boys themselves who thought that this financial drunk we were going through was going to last forever. They over-merged, and over-capitalized, and over-everything else. That's the fix that we're in now.


- Will Rogers, October 18, 1931

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

BTW, Nick - welcome to RWED, make sure to don your moshpit armor and wear a raincoat, cause it gets kinda wacky around here sometimes.

-F

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Because in your mind all money "belongs" to the rich, and anytime the rich don't get "their" money clearly someone is "stealing" it from them? Speaking of backward ...

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AFA the debt, I don't want to saddle future generations with crushing debt anymore than I want to saddle them with environmental debt, like global climate change, a radiologically-contaminated globe, and an ecology impoverished by mass extinction. OTOH, I'm not using "debt" as a boogeyman and you shouldn't be either. The USA debt is actually lower than many developed nations, so what's the problem? Please, explain yourself clearly and specifically, using facts and figures.

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Uh- huh. The problem Obama caused. How? Again, please elucidate. Cite facts and figures.

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In any case, we all know what you and your religion represent. If it wasn't clear before, it's getting clearer by the day.

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...this is pointless to even waste time going over again. We've only been discussing the reckless spending by Obama for 3.5 years now.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

It belongs to those who worked for it, yes. Rich, poor, who ever, it's not the GOVERNMENT'S money! The "rich" already pay for most of everything in this country already. They pay FAR more than their fair share.

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No one wants dirty air and polluted water, so this is the biggest straw man argument you on the Left continue to fall back on. Of course, AGW is 100% bogus, but it sure does sell to the dumb masses, huh? ( about as good as religion. Oh, the irony )

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No, the debt is NOT lower than many developed nations, and for you to even suggest as such is nonsensical. I guess what you don't know can't hurt you, huh?

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ObamaCare, which we don't have the $ for, Recovery and Reinvestment, which was a complete waste of nearly a trillion $'s , upping the over all baseline for how much $ the Federal govt spends,... this is pointless to even waste time going over again. We've only been discussing the reckless spending by Obama for 3.5 years now.

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...this is pointless to even waste time going over again. We've only been discussing the reckless spending by Obama for 3.5 years now.

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After you've spent far longer than that defending the reckless spending of Bush, who spent more than three times as much! (He also got a whole lot more Americans killed on his watch)

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Oh, and part of the money you earn is the governments. That is what taxes are the share you pay the government to live here.

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I suppose without regulations or government regulators everyone will just behave and not pollute. That worked so well in the past.

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Originally posted by Niki2:

What Mike said, every time, especially the last one. If you disagree, prove it. Prove it with facts and figures, I dare you.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
The rich pay far less in taxes than the middle class, as a percentage of income.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

I pay the government to LIVE HERE ? ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS !! OMFG, you are so deluded!!!

Half the people in this country don't " pay to live here ".


And it never occurred to you that ,maybe, we could have sensible, reasonable regulations and inspections , and still have clean air, food and water ? For you, it's either the iron fist of the imperial federal govt, or it's anarchy ?

And your wiki link is ridiculous. Doesn't remotely deal w/ the non-discretionary spending we're going to have to deal with, in the years to come, even BEFORE ObamaCare ( which absolutely does NOT save any $, but will cost us 1 trillion $ , from the very start )

The R&R act helped anyone ? Maybe a few, who lined their pockets at the tax payers expense. Sure. but did it help the economy ? Hell no. Which is even funnier, since most of that $ was suppose to kick in LAST summer ( not immediately, in '09, when we needed it ). The Dems were praying for that 'Summer of Recovery' to take place, and then ride that tide of good feeling all the way to November.

How'd that work out for the Dems, hmmm?

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Oh, dear, (is it Ms. Nickerson?), you were warned. None of those very reasonable and cogent arguments will go anywhere with Raptor, and from this day forward he will inevitably call you names and hurl epithets at you; I'm so sorry. Trying to communicate will bring the Wrath Of The Right Wing" down upon your head. So proceed at your own risk, but know we'll be right there backing you up. (I think he's right on one point, tho', I think Obama's already "spent" more than Bush by far, but then if you balance that out with how much Bush LOST, and that he hid the wars from the budget...well, you know.)

You see, Raptor doesn't use public roads, has never attended a church or school the government subsidized in any way, never used the library, avoids street lights, doesn't feel responsible for stuff like stop lights/signs, painting of crosswalks, police or fire protection, you know ANY of the stuff the rest of us pay for to live here. He's special.

Do Not Look For Common Sense Here, okay?

(and thanx for the graphic!)


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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The rich pay far less in taxes than the middle class, as a percentage of income.

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Doesn't matter about a % of income, they fund far more than their fair share. Period.

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