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Why is it that the Left tries to promote this lie , that when ever they dislike something political, they feel it necessary to attack symbols of this country ?

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Originally posted by Kirkules:

Just glad I lived to see the capitalist dream reach it's inevitable tragic conclusion.

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Why is it that the Left tries to promote this lie , that when ever they dislike something political, they feel it necessary to attack symbols of this country ?

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You mean like the Statue of Liberty?


Meanwhile, conservatives don't waste time attacking the symbols of our nation. Nope - they go straight to shredding the Constitution, every single time.

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Originally posted by Kirkules:
I actually feel some sympathy for the libs here, their belief that they could solve all of the World's problems if they could just get their hands on other people's money is going down in flames. They are correct that we could raise taxes and put off the inevitable for a few more years, but that does nothing to put us on a sustainable path for the long run. At least we still have the option to raise taxes. The European socialist utopias that they want us to emulate have come to the point were taxes are so high that raising rates actually reduces revenue and so they have no choice but severe austerity measures. We'll be right there with them in a few more years, but not until we've spent an few more trillion of other peoples money. Just glad I lived to see the socialist dream reach it's inevitable tragic conclusion. Now we can get back to what we know works, but there's going to be a lot of suffering in the short term, I hope you're all prepared for it.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Probably edging more towards treasonous, as it not only attempts to make a mockery of one of this country's revolutionary icons, but does so under the misplaced guise and phony claim of vilifying the current TEA party movement.

Why is it that the Left tries to promote this lie , that when ever they dislike something political, they feel it necessary to attack symbols of this country ?

Burn the flag of the USA ? " Oh, but we LOVE America! We're just showing our displeasure at some of those with whom we disagree. "

Graphic parodies of Gadsden's flag? " Why, they're nothing but TERRORISTS!

Are you such simpletons, that you can't think of ways to voice a counter view, with out defacing the very images of the country you claim to love ?

Talk about useful idiots.

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I have no problems vilifying people or groups that spread outright lies, be it because of ignorance or not. Auraptor you have not backup one of your claims with any kind of evidence since I've been here, so don't talk to me about being an idiot. According to you at least I'm a useful one.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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No mention of the fact that we, along with the majority of Americans, want to cut spending ALONG with raising taxes (or even just closing loopholes and subsidies, to oil companies, who are among the only ones making huge profits in this time of scarcity)...no, it's gotta be all extremes, liberals are to blame for EVERYTHING, there is no moderation, there is no middle ground...

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I have no problems vilifying people or groups that spread outright lies, be it because of ignorance or not. Auraptor you have not backup one of your claims with any kind of evidence since I've been here, so don't talk to me about being an idiot. According to you at least I'm a useful one.

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I have no problems vilifying people or groups that spread outright lies, be it because of ignorance or not. Auraptor you have not backup one of your claims with any kind of evidence since I've been here, so don't talk to me about being an idiot. According to you at least I'm a useful one.

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If you're not fond of groups that spread out right lies, then the Democrats must really piss you off.

The idea of a fiscally responsible govt, and holding it accountable for the use of OUR money, is what we're talking about here. This claim of 'lies',associated w/the TEA party movement , is left wanting.

Unfamiliar w/ the term 'useful idiot', are we ? Seems like.

Show me were I've not been able to explain my views, and why I think the way I do. You can't, because I know of what I speak.

And while there may not be any countries in Europe which are full blown socialist, the term 'European socialist ' countries was used, I believe. Contrary to Niki's claims, Ero socialism is EXACTLY what the Left is pushing here, with more regulations, less freedom, higher taxes...

Many people in the US would have a hard time comprehending the idea of needing to get a license to watch t.v. But that's life in much of Europe, as well as many other places across the world. ( watching in color ? That costs more )

Here, I can go out, buy a t.v. and a digital t.v. antenna, and watch as much t.v. as I please. No reporting what I buy or what I watch to any govt bureaucracy, or anything.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

I don't know of any NEED for a license to have a t.v., but that's how many govts treat their citizens. Is this something with which you're unfamiliar? Sounds like.

http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/

" If you watch or record television programmes as they're being shown on TV you must, by law, be covered by a TV Licence, no matter what device you're using. "



I thought I said that there aren't any purely socialistic nations, but there are nations in Europe and elsewhere which incorporate many socialist ideas in their form of govt.

If you need citations for the concepts of which I'm talking, by all means, google is your friend.

Read up on the issues, first, then YOU come back and discuss. Until then, I don't give a flying flip whether you think I'm all talk or not.

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I'm not playing this game w/ you. You were ignorant as to the comment of licenses in order to view t.v. I showed you what the facts were. You casually tried to dismiss it as... " Okay, so in the UK you need a license. "

No, in MANY countries, the GOVERNMENT issues you a permit ,or license which ALLOWS one to watch t.v. or not. Who the hell's business is it of theirs ?

This isn't by any stretch of the imagination comparable to buying a car, and getting a license to drive it.

I can pick up close to 100 channels, FREE, on a digital antenna, and not pay any government or company a damn dime. I don't have to 'register' my t.v., fill out a form, tell anyone what I'm watching, how many t.v.'s I have... it's a thing called freedom. Heard of it ?

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
If the t.v. license wasn't such a big deal, why then did you ask me for proof ?

Do you have any idea how tedious and lame your " replies " are ? I say something , you doubt it. I back up my claim, yes, with citations, and you dismiss it, out of hand.

If you can't see the difference between owning an appliance like a t.v., and a car, or building a structure, then I'm wasting my time.

If you're so clueless as to the differences between the form of govt here in the US and the socialized countries of Europe, then I haven't the time or interest to educate you on the matter.

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I asked for proof because I hve never seen you provide any.

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No mention of the fact that we, along with the majority of Americans, want to cut spending ALONG with raising taxes (or even just closing loopholes and subsidies, to oil companies, who are among the only ones making huge profits in this time of scarcity)...no, it's gotta be all extremes, liberals are to blame for EVERYTHING, there is no moderation, there is no middle ground...

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Yup. That's pretty much why I stopped bothering to treat ol' Kirk like he was anything other than the boot-licking fascist neo-con tea-bagger that he's shown himself to be.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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I thought I said that there aren't any purely socialistic nations, but there are nations in Europe and elsewhere which incorporate many socialist ideas in their form of govt.

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No mention of the fact that we, along with the majority of Americans, want to cut spending ALONG with raising taxes (or even just closing loopholes and subsidies, to oil companies, who are among the only ones making huge profits in this time of scarcity)...no, it's gotta be all extremes, liberals are to blame for EVERYTHING, there is no moderation, there is no middle ground...

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Yup. That's pretty much why I stopped bothering to treat ol' Kirk like he was anything other than the boot-licking fascist neo-con tea-bagger that he's shown himself to be.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Damn Kwicko, you cant respond to anything without including one of your homoerotic fantasies.

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No mention of the fact that we, along with the majority of Americans, want to cut spending ALONG with raising taxes (or even just closing loopholes and subsidies, to oil companies, who are among the only ones making huge profits in this time of scarcity)...no, it's gotta be all extremes, liberals are to blame for EVERYTHING, there is no moderation, there is no middle ground...

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Yup. That's pretty much why I stopped bothering to treat ol' Kirk like he was anything other than the boot-licking fascist neo-con tea-bagger that he's shown himself to be.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Damn Kwicko, you cant respond to anything without including one of your homoerotic fantasies.

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Says the guy who has a semi-nude Frazetta male as his avatar... Projecting much?

Sorry, Kirk, I'm not the man you're looking for. ;) Good luck finding him, though - I support your right to gay marriage when you finally find Mr. Right!

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So you admit to wanting to be my bitch - why else would you respond to me, after all.

How awesome that you've decided to come out on a web forum. Your lucky fella must be proud.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

nickerson, you're full of shit.

You're simply parroting the same nonsense that others have said on here, simply because they don't agree w/ my point of view. I've given evidence and proof a plenty, but just as you've shown here, when I do so, you never acknowledge it.

So, what's the point ? I see none.

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nickerson - nothing in your reply remotely disputes the facts.

ME not providing a link on the topic doesn't disprove your ignorance.


On this matter, I'm done w/ you.

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Making people get a TV license is disgusting and abhorant to me. What about all the poorer people who can't afford that? What about the people who need to know the news if there's an emergency but they don't get to see it because they don't have a TV license? Because ya know they'll make one get a computer license and a radio license next. When we all had to go get converter boxes it pissed me off something fierce, we didn't get to vote on that, they just shoved it down our throats. Totally inconvenient and my TVs don't work any better than before, in fact they work worse because the signal is always getting lost, rutting idiots. Who ever came up with that idea was mean, if we'd voted and said yes then that would be one thing, but to make us all do that if we wanted to have basic channels? Trash all of them. Luh suh, that's what. Note that I'm being really harsh here, it was just totally unfair.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Well, in a way the tv licenses can create a limit of access to information for the poor, which is a control mechanism and which can also result in disenfranchisement. Especially when the information media is intended for the public in general, so you can see how this is counterintuitive. Really, it seems like the only reason to have licenses for anything is just so people can be jerks about it.

It's like having roads that are meant for the public, but restricting whether people can use them - oh wait.

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Given the UK's socialist leanings, I think it's most likely that the license fees are used to give the poor free HBO and Showtime.

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Making people get a TV license is disgusting and abhorant to me. What about all the poorer people who can't afford that? What about the people who need to know the news if there's an emergency but they don't get to see it because they don't have a TV license? Because ya know they'll make one get a computer license and a radio license next. When we all had to go get converter boxes it pissed me off something fierce, we didn't get to vote on that, they just shoved it down our throats. Totally inconvenient and my TVs don't work any better than before, in fact they work worse because the signal is always getting lost, rutting idiots. Who ever came up with that idea was mean, if we'd voted and said yes then that would be one thing, but to make us all do that if we wanted to have basic channels? Trash all of them. Luh suh, that's what. Note that I'm being really harsh here, it was just totally unfair.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Top Gear alone is worth 149 pounds a year!

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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