Black Flash Mobs by Wulfenstar

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

What are Black Flash Mobs?

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”

Jacob Hornberger

“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 6:35 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

http://www.philly2philly.com/politics_community/politics_community_art
icles/2011/8/13/47591/flash_mobs_philadelphia_sorry_pc_amer

P>S I know that was a snark... but hey. "What are black flash mobs" speaks more to lack of coverage, then to them NOT happening.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 6:42 AM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

Are you suggesting that membership in 'flash mobs' is restricted by race?

Or are you suggesting that you are only concerned about 'flash mobs' comprised entirely of black people, while any mixed-race flash-mobs require different defense tactics?

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”

Jacob Hornberger

“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 6:53 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

AnthonyT,

If its easier and better for you to ignore this, then by all means you are free to do so.

Skip this thread, pretend it doesn't exist, or give lofty socio-economic-political reasoning for it. Hell, call me a racist. (I DID use the term "black" instead of "African-American")

If its too much for you to look this stuff up, or if its too much for someone to acknowledge, pretend that this isn't happening.

I don't want to cause a psychological breakdown for the more gentle of our visitors here.

However, IF you are willing to see the "writing on the wall", IF you are willing to acknowledge what is happening, IF you are willing to at least TALK about it... then do so.

Otherwise, ignore me and this. Slide on by and I hope that nothing like it happens to you.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:02 AM

STORYMARK

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
AnthonyT,

If its easier and better for you to ignore this, then by all means you are free to do so.

Skip this thread, pretend it doesn't exist, or give lofty socio-economic-political reasoning for it. Hell, call me a racist. (I DID use the term "black" instead of "African-American")

If its too much for you to look this stuff up, or if its too much for someone to acknowledge, pretend that this isn't happening.

I don't want to cause a psychological breakdown for the more gentle of our visitors here.

However, IF you are willing to see the "writing on the wall", IF you are willing to acknowledge what is happening, IF you are willing to at least TALK about it... then do so.

Otherwise, ignore me and this. Slide on by and I hope that nothing like it happens to you.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

Way to bitch out on a direct question, Wulfie.

It's chickenshit moves like that which ensure you will be ignored.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:06 AM

DALEK!

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Any ideas on how to deal with an attack, as its happening?

For you, I would suggest running directly at them while yelling kill blacky. That should scare them off!

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:11 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

m52nickerson wrote: "For you, I would suggest running directly at them while yelling kill blacky. That should scare them off!"

.... AND. HERE. WE. GO!

You guys could have just condensed your message into the phrase "You so RACISS!"

Your fingers will be less tired if you just write that. Plus, as an added benefit for you, you won't have to think, or read, or even consider anything.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:21 AM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

Wulf, you specified that you were looking for strategies to deal with Black 'flash mobs.' This seems to imply that you believe that there are 'flash mobs' whose membership is screened by race and that they have special qualities that require unique defense tactics.

Is this so?

I also find it disingenuous for you to dismiss my attempts to engage you on the specific topic you have raised.

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”

Jacob Hornberger

“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:26 AM

DALEK!

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
m52nickerson wrote: "For you, I would suggest running directly at them while yelling kill blacky. That should scare them off!"

.... AND. HERE. WE. GO!

You guys could have just condensed your message into the phrase "You so RACISS!"

Your fingers will be less tired if you just write that. Plus, as an added benefit for you, you won't have to think, or read, or even consider anything.

Grow a brain and start thinking.

The problem is not the story you posted. Nor is it talking about racial issues. The problem is how you approached this. You could have posted the story and commented on the racial components of the flash mobs. You could have titled the thread "Flash Mobs along Racial lines" or "Flash Mobs predominantly Black". No you called the Black Flash Mobs and said they you told us so. How you approach and issue is often just as important as the issue.

See I don't think you wanted to really talk about anything, you just want to stir shit up and then say claim others are being to PC.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:29 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

"Wulf, you specified that you were looking for strategies to deal with Black 'flash mobs.' This seems to imply that you believe that there are 'flash mobs' whose membership is screened by race and that they have special qualities that require unique defense tactics.

Is this so?"

Yes.

Clear enough?

These are NOT groups of people gathering to sing Christmas carols, or dance.

These are violent, racist, black, mobs out to commit harm against white (or asian, or middle-eastern, or even hispanic) people.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:41 AM

DALEK!

Yup, your an idiot!

oh....and you would deal with them the same way you would any type of flash mob.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:46 AM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Wulf, if these "black flash mobs" were to show up armed and open-carrying at a Republican or Tea Party "town hall" meeting, how would you deal with them?

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:52 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:

These are NOT groups of people gathering to sing Christmas carols, or dance.

These are violent, racist, black, mobs out to commit harm against white (or asian, or middle-eastern, or even hispanic) people.

How do you know this? How do you KNOW what their intent is before they've taken action?

Are you looking for someone here to justify your desire to just start firing into a crowd of people whose only "crime" is being gathered in one place while being black?

Sorry, I'll not condone that. If my life and family are directly threatened or attacked by ANY mob - black, white, purple, green, red, etc. - then I intend to protect myself and family to the utmost of my ability, using whatever means available and necessary.

A group assembling in a street or in a park does not justify such action. If it did, I'd have been forced to open fire on the Tea Party rallies, wouldn't I? After all, they are the greater threat to America at the moment!

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 8:32 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/08/the_taboo_on_mentioning_black_m
ob_violence.html

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 8:51 AM

BYTEMITE

There's only one story I recall hearing that black youths in a flash mob actually engaged in any kind of racially motivated attack or beatings. The rest of the time it's just theft.

If you want someone to give you the go ahead to draw on them, my answer is, only if they are currently in the act of beating someone or firing their own guns (or maybe brandishing with threats, it depends). You know, rather the same answer I'd say for any group of any race. If you have a car handy, you might even survive the exchange.

But first I'd also recommend you take a good scope of the situation, like can you cause them to disperse? How can you get maybe a victim of a beating or gang rape out without escalating the situation or causing to mob to go even more wilder/cause more damage/seek other victims?

Personally, I don't see why anyone would be scared of a gun, but then I'm not normal. I actually prefer using fireworks as a distraction. Harmless, but some you can get loud enough that you can really startle someone into running. Plus, with fuses, means you can drop them in a pattern, and move before they find you. And they're common and easy to get a hold of.

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 9:01 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

I've read several news stories about these kinds of attacks. I can cite them if you'd like.

I've also read of the stories where these "youths" came into stores just to rob them. It sounds strange, but Im not as concerned about these as I am about the others.

I'm also concerned that so many are willing to just "look the other way". Ignore it, pretend its just a phase.

I've seen this kind of thing, personally. And this was back in the 80s and 90s. Tech has just made it easier to organize. (I am NOT promoting cutting off communication service, like several Nazi-like orgs have, btw)

I am actually concerned that someone will open fire. Not so much that Im worried about the ones getting shot (yes, you attack a group of innocents, you get shot.. ), but the aftermath.

I've argued again and again about the rest of you ending up in the type of places I've seen. I don't want that. Because, it can really spin out of control. We may soon have to make a choice, about the kind of world we want to live in.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 9:10 AM

DALEK!

Please cite any evidence you have that the Flash Mobs are motivated by race.

...and the Mobs being made up of Black people does not prove racial motivation.

If they are not, or you can't not then race plays no part in it.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 9:49 AM

STORYMARK

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:

You guys could have just condensed your message into the phrase "You so RACISS!"

Well, that really doesn't cover it. Is there a word that covers racist and fucking stupid?

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 9:51 AM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Please cite any evidence you have that the Flash Mobs are motivated by race.

...and the Mobs being made up of Black people does not prove racial motivation.

If they are not, or you can't not then race plays no part in it

So, which is it ? You want evidence, or you don't ? You can't dismiss flash mobs composed of 1 race and then say " nope, that's not motivated by race ", what ever the hell that's suppose to mean.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 9:57 AM

DALEK!

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
So, which is it ? You want evidence, or you don't ? You can't dismiss flash mobs composed of 1 race and then say " nope, that's not motivated by race ", what ever the hell that's suppose to mean.

Just because a flash Mob is made up of a single race it does not mean they are racially motivated. That is that same as seeing a group of white people holding Anti-Obama signs and claiming they are racist, because they are all white.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:00 AM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
So, which is it ? You want evidence, or you don't ? You can't dismiss flash mobs composed of 1 race and then say " nope, that's not motivated by race ", what ever the hell that's suppose to mean.

Just because a flash Mob is made up of a single race it does not mean they are racially motivated. That is that same as seeing a group of white people holding Anti-Obama signs and claiming they are racist, because they are all white.

Good to see that you equate free speech to vandalism, theft and violence.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:08 AM

DALEK!

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Good to see that you equate free speech to vandalism, theft and violence.

Nice try. My argument had nothing to do with that. It had to do with that fact that you think a group composed of a single race must have racial motivation.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:14 AM

America loves a winner!

what does that even mean ? racially 'motivated' ? O.K., so it wasn't motivated by race, but it was participated BY one race, and that sort of activity is tolerated by one race...

Say 'culture', if it makes you feel any better, but how ever you label it, you can't deny the make up of WHO is doing the activity.

Well, maybe YOU can.

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:38 AM

DALEK!

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

what does that even mean ? racially 'motivated' ? O.K., so it wasn't motivated by race, but it was participated BY one race, and that sort of activity is tolerated by one race...

Say 'culture', if it makes you feel any better, but how ever you label it, you can't deny the make up of WHO is doing the activity.

Well, maybe YOU can.

Really it is tolerated by a race? So Black people tolerate Flash Mobs? No Black person speaks out against them?

Culture is the correct word. Cultrue and Race are not the same things. Flash Mobs are a culture of violence, rebellion and group mentality. That culture does seem to be centered within the Black community. It is not the entire Black community.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:39 AM

BYTEMITE

I seem to recall the London riots were perpetrated by a number of races. There was fairly universal denouncement of all of it, by members of the same races that were participating in it. There were also members of who approved.

It's never all or none.

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:46 AM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

what does that even mean ? racially 'motivated' ? O.K., so it wasn't motivated by race, but it was participated BY one race, and that sort of activity is tolerated by one race...

Say 'culture', if it makes you feel any better, but how ever you label it, you can't deny the make up of WHO is doing the activity.

Well, maybe YOU can.

Really it is tolerated by a race? So Black people tolerate Flash Mobs? No Black person speaks out against them?

Culture is the correct word. Cultrue and Race are not the same things. Flash Mobs are a culture of violence, rebellion and group mentality. That culture does seem to be centered within the Black community. It is not the entire Black community.

Agreed. Race isn't the issue. It's culture. A subset of the black community.

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:49 AM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
I seem to recall the London riots were perpetrated by a number of races. There was fairly universal denouncement of all of it, by members of the same races that were participating in it. There were also members of who approved.

It's never all or none.

I think this was mentioned in something I posted, or maybe I heard, but what initially stated off in the black community was quickly adopted by other groups as well. The muslims in London had been calling for something of this sort for some time, but as it turned out, even kids of the well-to-do got caught up in the rioting.

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 11:02 AM

BYTEMITE

Some Muslims might have, sure, though I imagine even if there might be a constant continuing desire for comeuppance among some of that community, that technically the riots were probably unrelated. I don't know that it was incited by any of them, though I do know it was started by *A* racial minority in response to a bit of police brutality.

I might be wrong, maybe the police brutality was against a Muslim, I was more concerned about contacting some of my friends over there than I was the details really.

Considering the school expense riots and the attacks on Charles and Pamela, I figured that these riots might also have the same cause for at least some of the groups that joined in.

EDIT: Oh, you just said. Black community. And you didn't say the Muslims started it. Sorry, reading comprehension for the lose.

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 11:20 AM

DALEK!

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Agreed. Race isn't the issue. It's culture. A subset of the black community.

There you go.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 11:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:

Is there a word that covers racist and fucking stupid?

Yes. "Racist". The "fucking stupid" is implied in the word. :)

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 1:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Please cite any evidence you have that the Flash Mobs are motivated by race.

...and the Mobs being made up of Black people does not prove racial motivation.

If they are not, or you can't not then race plays no part in it

So, which is it ? You want evidence, or you don't ? You can't dismiss flash mobs composed of 1 race and then say " nope, that's not motivated by race ", what ever the hell that's suppose to mean.

So if I show you a picture of nothing but a bunch of white folks at a tea party flash mob, you agree that they are motivated by race? Is that what you're telling us?

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 1:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
So, which is it ? You want evidence, or you don't ? You can't dismiss flash mobs composed of 1 race and then say " nope, that's not motivated by race ", what ever the hell that's suppose to mean.

Just because a flash Mob is made up of a single race it does not mean they are racially motivated. That is that same as seeing a group of white people holding Anti-Obama signs and claiming they are racist, because they are all white.

Good to see that you equate free speech to vandalism, theft and violence.

So it's your assumption that any time a group of black people gathers in the same place, it has to involve vandalism, theft, and violence?

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 1:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

what does that even mean ? racially 'motivated' ? O.K., so it wasn't motivated by race, but it was participated BY one race, and that sort of activity is tolerated by one race...

Say 'culture', if it makes you feel any better, but how ever you label it, you can't deny the make up of WHO is doing the activity.

Well, maybe YOU can.

Really it is tolerated by a race? So Black people tolerate Flash Mobs? No Black person speaks out against them?

Culture is the correct word. Cultrue and Race are not the same things. Flash Mobs are a culture of violence, rebellion and group mentality. That culture does seem to be centered within the Black community. It is not the entire Black community.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

I disagree with the notion that flash mobs are inherently violent. I've seen several flash mobs, and I've NEVER seen any violence involved in one.

And I have no reason to assume that a flash mob composed of only black people is inherently more likely to be violent than a flash mob composed of white people or of mixed races and cultures.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 1:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
I seem to recall the London riots were perpetrated by a number of races. There was fairly universal denouncement of all of it, by members of the same races that were participating in it. There were also members of who approved.

It's never all or none.

I think this was mentioned in something I posted, or maybe I heard, but what initially stated off in the black community was quickly adopted by other groups as well. The muslims in London had been calling for something of this sort for some time, but as it turned out, even kids of the well-to-do got caught up in the rioting.

So it's not so much a "subset of the black community" as it is a subset of the ENTIRE community.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 2:04 PM

STORYMARK

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:

Is there a word that covers racist and fucking stupid?

Yes. "Racist". The "fucking stupid" is implied in the word. :)

Oh, there's a level of stupid inherently tied to racism, no doubt. But there are still intelligent racists.

And then there are dumb motherfuckers like Wulfie and Rap.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 2:14 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Sorry, but you blew the possibility of recieving tactical advice from me the moment you brought race into it cause it reveals that you essentially want excuses for racially motivated homicide.

World is better off without your ass, and while I've little moral cause to make that happen, I have even less to prevent it from happening.

So essentially, screw you.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 2:21 PM

DALEK!

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

I disagree with the notion that flash mobs are inherently violent. I've seen several flash mobs, and I've NEVER seen any violence involved in one.

And I have no reason to assume that a flash mob composed of only black people is inherently more likely to be violent than a flash mob composed of white people or of mixed races and cultures.

Your right, not all flash mobs are violent. We are talking about the ones that are so we should be saying violent flash mobs, or in some cases flash robs.

The thing is the violent flash mobs/robs that have been reported are almost entirely young black males. If you Google search "violent flash mobs" you can see that.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 2:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Sorry, but you blew the possibility of recieving tactical advice from me the moment you brought race into it cause it reveals that you essentially want excuses for racially motivated homicide.

That was entirely the impression I got from Wulfie's posts.

Quote:

Your right, not all flash mobs are violent. We are talking about the ones that are so we should be saying violent flash mobs, or in some cases flash robs.

The thing is the violent flash mobs/robs that have been reported are almost entirely young black males. If you Google search "violent flash mobs" you can see that.

Nick, thanks for clarifying.

If it's a "cultural" thing, like planking or ghost-riding or any of the other stupid shit young kids get up to, I'm not real sure that there IS much you can do to stop it, except to let it burn out like so many other fads do.

I mean, other than posting five armed cops on every corner, what do y'all propose? Should we get worked up about this and impose MORE of a police state than we already have? Shall we embrace Wulfie's nihilistic fantasy and just start shooting every third black kid on the basis that if he isn't a hoodlum yet, he'll likely turn into one anyway?

I'm of the opinion that life is risk, and freedom can be a bit messy. There are things that are worth worrying about, and these kinds of manufactured panics aren't even a blip on a gnat's ass in the overall picture. I worry more about the robbery and murder and mayhem committed by "flash mobs" of hydraulic fracturing crews showing up on nearby land than I do about these mythical violent mobs, because fracking actually DOES kill people, and lots of them.

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 3:18 PM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello Wulf,

The reason you are meeting resistance to your question is because the question itself is inherently flawed.

It posits first that there are flash mobs that refuse to enlist any but a single race of people. This is an unproven premise, but it is not the worst failure contained within the question.

The worst failure of the question is the idea that 'Black' flash mobs (if they exist) require special tactics unique from any other mob of assailants. As though 'black' people have unique inherent traits that make them especially impervious to normal tactics, or especially vulnerable to extraordinary tactics. In essence, it treats these 'black' people as though they are a different species of creature drastically different from other humans. It's akin to asking how to defend against mobs of Xenomorphs.

In reality, mobs of people can be dealt with in an identical fashion regardless of their race. The objectives and motivations of the people in the group are much more important than the race of the individuals who comprise it. In general, when confronted by a large mass of hostile people, escape should be your primary goal. If escape is impossible, then you should hide somewhere safe. If hiding and escape are impossible, then you should place yourself in a position where you cannot be flanked, make it as defensible as possible, and hope that the assailants are in too much of a hurry (or too interested in other objectives) to dig you out.

I do NOT recommend resorting to violence except as a last resort when all other options have failed. Not least because in any large group of people, there will be individuals who do not deserve the violence you are eager to bring against them.

I know from personal experience what it is to be randomly targeted by a large group of people. I was involved in 'Flash Mobs' of violence before the words even existed as a pairing. The only person I ever harmed while 'defending' myself was an innocent boy.

In reality, I wasn't defending myself at all. The damage was done. I was looking for payback, because how DARE these people attack me? I was MAD AS HELL, and NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!

I was a child, Wulf. I thought as a child. You sound to me like that child, looking back at me across the decades. Only I think you never learned the valuable lessons I did. I think you still crave revenge against injustice, somehow overlooking how the revenge itself can become an injustice. I think you spend your days and nights imagining every conceivable sort of battle. How would you succeed in this situation? Or that situation? Except your imaginings are not the result of the grim awareness of life's dangers. They are borne of the exultant exuberance of someone dreaming of the day when they might strike back at the evils of the world.

Am I wrong in my perceptions of you? You will surely say so. The truth is that I don't know you, Wulf. But I do have this piece of yourself that you've given me to look at. You keep showing it to me, and so it's all I have to go on.

And it makes me sad.

--Anthony

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“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 6:39 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

I thought Nick's example was a good one, just because a flash mob, or passionate group of people, is white and they don't think Obama is a good president doesnt' mean they're racist. So just because a group of black people get together doesn't mean they're racist or have racial hate intentions. If it happens and you've seen it yourself then maybe its something to think on for your own city or town and how to remody it, but I don't think it happens all that often from a statistical perspective.

I too never really thought of flash mobs as violent, I thought they were usually people who agreed to meet somewhere and do something altogether with the illusion of spontanaeity. Of course violence could figure into that, but I never heard the word to mean that, though it makes sense when you guys bring it up.

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Friday, August 19, 2011 2:01 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

RionaEire,

http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/126825018.html

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Friday, August 19, 2011 3:40 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Haven't come back to this topic because I knew it would probably turn into one of those back and forths. So I may be repeating something already mentioned. But here goes:

--There are black-on-black mobs, and a lot of the mobs have been indiscriminate, there just happened to be a lot of people leaving an event or whatever, black, white, who are targeted, or else a group of people invading a store to steal.

--The news has been covering this for at least a week, and it's ALL OVER the internet, so I'm not sure how everyone's "ignoring" it. http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/flash-mobs-terrorize-us-cities-1431980
7 (note the white woman in one of the videos)

--Given the state of the economy and, gee whiz, who's at the bottom, I'm not surprised violence is flaring up. There will probably be more, and don't worry, Wulf, you only have to wait a while for caucasians to join the "movement". These aren't middle-class black people, until you can prove it, and the poor generally do rebel when empires fail and things become they way they are in America today. Given the Republicans have worked SO hard to make things this way, this must be what they wanted:

Quote:
"You are essentially having a world where you have 25 million people who are underemployed and 2 percent of the population doing better than they ever have," Taplin said. "Why wouldn't that lead to some sort of social unrest? Why wouldn't people use the latest technologies to effect that?" http://www.pjstar.com/free/x2111996426/Flash-mobs-turn-darker-leaving-
police-scrambling]

--I believe there was a period when there were gangs of white males running through parks accosting women..."wildings". I don't think I was here then, but I wonder if that got the same attention and they were seen as "white" mobs by Wulfand Raptor at the time?

--And yes, Riona, you're right about the original idea of flash mobs. I'd like to know who started calling this form of acting out a flash mob. Wiki: "A flash mob (or flashmob)[1] is a group of people who assemble suddenly in a public place, perform an unusual and sometimes seemingly pointless act for a brief time, then disperse, often for the purposes of entertainment, satire, or artistic expression."

--Given one of the ones which got the most coverage was of a group of youngsters invading a 7/11 and stealing CANDY, and others have involved theft, I wonder how some get the impression they're "racially motivated"?

--The term is being ussed indiscriminately to refer to protests, entertainment and the new kind. Here in CA, BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit) closed down cell phone usage for a time to try and minimize "flash mobs" like the following:
(Story at http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2011/0815/Flash-mobs-vs.-law-and-order-BA
RT-protest-adds-fresh-twist)

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Friday, August 19, 2011 4:05 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Wow. First a Black Spiderman, now a Black Flash? And enough of him to make up mobs?

Naw. He's probably just running around so fast it looks like a mob.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Friday, August 19, 2011 4:38 AM

DREAMTROVE

Ooh. The NWO really hates chaos. People dancing and singing impromptu is fun, and also very scary, because it wasn't on the itinerary, so the MSM has taken the term for this activity, called "flash mobs" and applied it to gang violence.

It's an old trick, but I think flash mobs will need to rename themselves. Meanwhile, thanks, Wulf, for doing their work for them. Oh, and thanks for the heads up.

Kh, and one more thing: gangs are not coordinating through facebook, this is not maneki neko as crime syndicate, gangs are just randommmm thuggery, which is why they shoot each other. If they were organized, they would stick it to the man like the blakc panthers tried to do. Instead, they talk abiut sticking it to the man, and then stick it to themselves.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Friday, August 19, 2011 5:39 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/politics/2011/08/11/jk.flash.mob.cnn

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Friday, August 19, 2011 2:46 PM

These "mobs" are really just the armed revolution that Wulfie has been hoping for all these years.

His only real problem with this particular form of revolt is that it's being carried out by people less white than he is, and they actually put their plan into action, where Wulfie here is still too much a coward to carry out any of his grandiose plans.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Friday, August 19, 2011 6:09 PM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello Wulf,

If you like videos, watch the video on this page.

Pay special attention at the timeframe of 4:00-4:05. Play it multiple times if you need to.

Then tell me what you saw.

--Anthony

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“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”

Jacob Hornberger

“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi

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Friday, August 19, 2011 7:08 PM

Anthony: Which page?

Thanks.

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