Pelosi at odds w/ Obama over free-trade agreements. by AURaptor

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Pelosi at odds w/ Obama over free-trade agreements.

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Tuesday, August 16, 2011 12:24 PM

America loves a winner!

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Pelosi pushes back against Obama-backed free-trade agreements

By Mike Lillis - 08/03/11 03:07 PM ET

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi pushed back Wednesday against several pending free-trade agreements championed by President Obama.

The California Democrat signaled doubts that looming trade deals with South Korea, Panama and Colombia would benefit U.S. workers. President Obama on Tuesday called on Congress to approve the deals, which he and Republicans argue would create jobs.

“The White House may support it, but the Congress may have a different view,” Pelosi warned on MSNBC.

During a lengthy interview, MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell suggested that the long-delayed trade pacts “could have produced more jobs.”

Pelosi responded, “Well, that's debatable.”

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/1005-trade/175285-pelosi-pushes-
back-against-obama-backed-trade-deals

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, August 16, 2011 5:28 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

Down with NAFTA et al. I'm pro terriffs, even though it may be inconvenient for me to get stuff at the Irish shop as easily.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Wednesday, August 17, 2011 11:51 AM

BYTEMITE

Oh jeez. Free Trade. Yikes.

Wonder if this is Obama really, or Secretary of State Hillary. I'm guessing the later.

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Wednesday, August 17, 2011 12:08 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Of course, Obama will SAY that Congress needs to do its job, implying that he has little to no role in all this, and that it's the mean, just-say-no GOP refusing to play nice.

What he WON'T say is that fellow Dem Pelosi is the one putting the kibosh on all this.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, August 17, 2011 2:22 PM

DREAMTROVE

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Of course, Obama will SAY that Congress needs to do its job, implying that he has little to no role in all this, and that it's the mean, just-say-no GOP refusing to play nice.

What he WON'T say is that fellow Dem Pelosi is the one putting the kibosh on all this.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

Thanks. This is pretty well put. Presidents are always saying "congress needs to do its job" meaning "congress needs to buckle down and agree with me."

This is how the roman republic actually turned into the roman empire: rubber stamp senate, demanded and pressured for by the praetor.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 1:40 AM

FREMDFIRMA

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
This is how the roman republic actually turned into the roman empire: rubber stamp senate, demanded and pressured for by the praetor.

See Also: Former Administration.

-F

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 2:05 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Of course, Obama will SAY that Congress needs to do its job, implying that he has little to no role in all this, and that it's the mean, just-say-no GOP refusing to play nice.

What he WON'T say is that fellow Dem Pelosi is the one putting the kibosh on all this.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

Thanks. This is pretty well put. Presidents are always saying "congress needs to do its job" meaning "congress needs to buckle down and agree with me."

This is how the roman republic actually turned into the roman empire: rubber stamp senate, demanded and pressured for by the praetor.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

...and here I always took it to mean stop throwing rehtoric around (both sides), come up with compromises and get things done.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 4:25 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Yup, Nick, me too. The idea of three branches was supposed to be so they'd work together, with no one branch running everything, for the good of the country. Instead one branch of the legislature has lorded it over the other more and more until now we've got gridlock, when the concept was SUPPOSED to be them working together to find compromises that benefit the country. Haven't seen THAT happen in quite a while! Gridlock means no progress, no improvement in the country, and the idea was to work together toward a better union. I know many would prefer less government--or no government (they think)--but I think government should be an evolving process able to deal with new things that come along and fix old things that are out of date.

And I believe the amount and type of "free trade" we've gotten thus far has COST far more jobs than it's created, so I hate it. Were it done some other way, maybe it would be a good thing for exports, but thus far, to me it's been a con. Once again, Obama goes down the wrong path...

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Thursday, August 18, 2011 3:08 PM

DREAMTROVE

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Quote:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
This is how the roman republic actually turned into the roman empire: rubber stamp senate, demanded and pressured for by the praetor.

See Also: Former Administration.

-F

And previous administration. Draw your own breakpoint.

Same thing with the Roman Empirel the switch didn't come in a single reign, both Julius and Augustus were sort of pseudo emperors, the loons that followed really pressed the absurd, but the storm had been brewing since the revolution of 93 BC

Nick

The question is *whose* to do list is getting done.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Friday, August 19, 2011 4:45 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Good for Pelosi!

I wonder how many Republicans will stand with her, and against NAFTA/ CAFTA/ SHAFTA?

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Friday, August 19, 2011 5:23 AM

DREAMTROVE

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Good for Pelosi!

I wonder how many Republicans will stand with her, and against NAFTA/ CAFTA/ SHAFTA?

Yes, I meant to say that. I wonder if she believes, or is just angling for the tea party vote ;)

Seriously, if you sto to think about it, we agree more than we disagree on this board, we just focus too much on our disagreements.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Friday, August 19, 2011 7:22 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
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Seriously, if you sto to think about it, we agree more than we disagree on this board, we just focus too much on our disagreements.

Well talking about how much we argee on things is like holding hands.

Disagreements is more like trading face punches.

.....I have my wife to hold hands with!

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Saturday, August 20, 2011 6:29 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

You actually believe there is ANY chance of Pelosi doing or saying ANYTHING being her angling for the Tea Party vote?!?! Pelosi represents San Francisco, if you didn't know; the Tea Party is all but invisible in San Francisco, which is a staunchly Democratic city. What possible support could she be seeking from them??

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Saturday, August 20, 2011 10:53 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Well yer certainly gettin your two pence worth outta me then, Nick - mind you I don't take it personal and find it somewhat gratifying to FOR ONCE argue a point with someone capable of actually arguing one instead of committing stupicide on someone who forgot to load mental ammunition before jumping into the fray.

Not that you'll get any mercy for it either...

But then I suspect you'd be insulted if you did.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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