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Wind 'Lens' triples turbine output?

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Saturday, September 3, 2011 6:19 AM

ANTHONYT

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http://www.mnn.com/green-tech/research-innovations/blogs/japanese-brea
kthrough-will-make-wind-power-cheaper-than-nuclea?hpt=hp_bn11



Hello,

The blog author talks about getting three times as much power from turbines in windy areas.

But I wonder… could such a technology make sub-par wind areas suddenly worthwhile? Could this technology make places like the Phoenix valley viable for wind turbines? In short, could ‘wind power anywhere’ become possible?

--Anthony


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Saturday, September 3, 2011 11:09 AM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

I wanted to add a quote from the video. I thought it was very diplomatically put.

"Our society is already experiencing developments encouraging us to move in this direction."

--Anthony



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Saturday, September 3, 2011 12:52 PM

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Anthony - I really enjoy your recent threads about man's inventiveness , seems to be a theme. It's something that it feels like we lost interest in as a country. When I was growing up I had a serious appetite for invention and anything new, still do.

A number of these threads seem to deal with energy - I'm just guessing, but... how do you feel about Free Energy (caps added for drama)? Perendev motors, v-gates, Bedini motors... ring any bells?

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Saturday, September 3, 2011 12:57 PM

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They certainly look cool. Hopefully we hear more about them.

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Saturday, September 3, 2011 1:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:

The blog author talks about getting three times as much power from turbines in windy areas.

But I wonder… could such a technology make sub-par wind areas suddenly worthwhile? Could this technology make places like the Phoenix valley viable for wind turbines? In short, could ‘wind power anywhere’ become possible?




Depends, depends, depends.

There's a ton of tech out there, certainly enough to keep energy bloggers busy, but who will make it so? IMHO no matter who's in charge it will be up to the private sector. I'm not sure what the private sector investing patterns are lately - maybe they've changed, seems like they were in other areas that had faster potential for returns like online start ups. I know in spite of the msm's economic gloom, there's tons of cash just waiting to find a home.

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Saturday, September 3, 2011 2:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by pizmobeach:
Anthony - I really enjoy your recent threads about man's inventiveness , seems to be a theme. It's something that it feels like we lost interest in as a country. When I was growing up I had a serious appetite for invention and anything new, still do.

A number of these threads seem to deal with energy - I'm just guessing, but... how do you feel about Free Energy (caps added for drama)? Perendev motors, v-gates, Bedini motors... ring any bells?

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Hello,

The idea of Free Energy is intriguing. I used to read up on it more than I do now. But as near as I could tell, no one ever made it work.

But we're gifted with so much energy in our environment that it seems an easy enough matter to reach out and take it. We just need the will to do so.

--Anthony

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“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi

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Saturday, September 3, 2011 4:16 PM

DREAMTROVE




Windtamer, it's appearing all over.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Saturday, September 3, 2011 5:38 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Till some oil company gets an expedited patent and shuts em down, that is - or buys em out and collapses em.

In order for innovation to happen, first one must bust the roadblock of exploitive and predatory "intellectual property" law here in the states.

It's actually a common theme, that when some inventor files patent, a corporation will refile the patent under their name, shell out a bribe to expedite it, and then go after the original inventor, this is in fact SO common that folk have devised some interesting workarounds for it, none of which have borne much fruit yet.

Of course, their own greed screws them a lot of the time too, cause why bother with a patent, why not just go public domain for the good of mankind, you're STILL going to have a leg up via initial market entry and ability to produce and refine the product, yes ?

-Frem

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Sunday, September 4, 2011 1:43 AM

DREAMTROVE


What Frem said.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Sunday, September 4, 2011 2:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Quote:

Originally posted by pizmobeach:
Anthony - I really enjoy your recent threads about man's inventiveness , seems to be a theme. It's something that it feels like we lost interest in as a country. When I was growing up I had a serious appetite for invention and anything new, still do.

A number of these threads seem to deal with energy - I'm just guessing, but... how do you feel about Free Energy (caps added for drama)? Perendev motors, v-gates, Bedini motors... ring any bells?

Scifi movie music + Firefly dialogue clips, 24 hours a day - http://www.scifiradio.com]




Hello,

The idea of Free Energy is intriguing. I used to read up on it more than I do now. But as near as I could tell, no one ever made it work.

But we're gifted with so much energy in our environment that it seems an easy enough matter to reach out and take it. We just need the will to do so.




Coal, oil and gas agree with you on the taking part.

The perpetual motion/free energy pursuit is fascinating in many ways, even more so now with YouTube where these garage inventors put up their latest attempts. Of course some people put up fakes using various tricks (like compressed air) to make the device appear to spin on just magnet power. Nevertheless, it's quite a parade of devices and the people who make them, and it seems to be growing. Some of these videos have over a million hits. The whole of it would make for a pretty entertaining documentary.
As I mentioned, there are the dishonest folks, swindlers who are looking for "funding" to get them over the hump. One guy in Germany had 60 investors looking for him. There are also countless dead web pages that inspire intrigue (what happened to this guy?), impressive graphs and an army of hecklers who seem to have an unusual amount of spite and anger towards these dreamers - I don't know why people trying to invent the next wheel inspire such an attitude, "get out of your momma's basement and get a real job." I root for them - plenty of people must have laughed at the Wright Brothers, "man will never fly" "If you want to fly you'll have to flap your wings, everyone knows that!" But they keep at it. It reminds me of Dreyfuss character in Close Encounters, like something is in them they are powerless to stop.
If you have conspiracy theory leanings you could easily wonder, as Frem has alluded to, if Big Energy isn't lurking somewhere close, watching all these hobbyists post their latest attempts, "User Ouroboros69 is getting too close, send in a re-education team..." I can imagine a Houston Oil Baron's personal museum where one room is dedicated to the dozen or so machines that they've confiscated that were "too close." Would we ever know if someone had solved the problem? Who would tell us?


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Sunday, September 4, 2011 4:32 AM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

one must bust the roadblock of exploitive and predatory "intellectual property" law here in the states.-Frem

What Frem said.- Dreamtrove


Second the motion What Frem Said.

I doubt there will ever be "free" energy.

But if anything should be free, it's ideas.

-------------------

Oh BTW, the "wind lens"... makes sense. Imagine the air shearing at the blade tip, whirling and swirling off into the surroundings. That's a helluva a lot of un-captured energy. Although for urban applications, the helical design is a better fit.

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Sunday, September 4, 2011 6:22 AM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

I remember a Heinlein book I read where an inventor named Shipstone created a brilliant new energy storage device (called the shipstone.) It was a kind of battery that could store decades of energy needs in a compact package. A flashlight with a shipstone battery might not need replacing in your lifetime. A house with a shipstone in the basement might only need a replacement once every 50 years.

The theory Mr. Shipstone had was that the world was teeming with energy, but that we had no way to store it efficiently. So the trick wasn't free energy, but rather easily storing the existing energy. This seemed sensible to me. So the shipstone could literally capture lightning in a bottle. It had immense energy storage ability. It was a marvel.

And he didn't patent it. So he never had to reveal what made it work. And for decades, no one could figure it out. He became the richest inventor of all time.

But that is fun fantasy. I remember something else from real life. Something from my childhood.

Some people put water under an electrical charge and made claims of 'Cold Fusion.' The Fusion was detectable via a warmth that emanated from the water even after the energy charge was removed. The inventors were an immediate sensation.

Then peers said they could not duplicate the results, or that fusion could not be proved to be happening in any event, and these guys went away. I never heard anything more about them.

But I always wondered... if fusion wasn't making the water warm... then what was? And if it isn't fusion, so what? Isn't that worth investigating?

But as far as I know, just mentioning a similar pursuit will get you laughed out of the room in scientific circles now. So I don't know if anyone is trying to figure out why the water got warm and stayed warm.

I'm obviously not a scientist, but I think the experiment suggested something interesting. And I think the stigma of pursuing the research is keeping anyone from following where it leads.

--Anthony



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Jacob Hornberger

“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi

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Sunday, September 4, 2011 1:57 PM

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Anthony,

I suspect fission is just better technology than fusion, but the battery idea interests me more.

The amount fo power consumed can be radically reduced, as i show with electric car, (compare the tesla family car vs. The very similar 90s GM EVs,) and computers (this ipad, 2.5 watts)

Not just with power, but with light and heat too, I can see a future of just storing. Picture a heated lodestone carrying the radiation from a concentrated sunbeam in the basement, radiating the heat for 24 hours, keeping a house warm. This could all be done if we got rid of the energy racket we live under.


That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Tuesday, September 6, 2011 6:59 PM

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I hope we can get to this point where we can do all these new inovative things with energy.


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