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9/11 changed America's attitude toward religion
Sunday, September 4, 2011 6:25 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:The re-emergence of "Christo-Americanism": "One of the sobering lessons of the decade since 9/11 is that religious prejudice is not always rooted in raw ignorance," says Thomas Kidd, author of "American Christians and Islam." "Some of America's most vociferous anti-Muslim critics know quite a lot about Muslim beliefs, but they often use their knowledge to construe Islam in the worst possible light." Many of these public attacks against Islam were encouraged by conservative Christian leaders such as Rev. Franklin Graham, the son of Rev. Billy Graham, who called Islam "wicked," and Pat Robertson, the Christian broadcaster who declared that "Islam is not a religion," says Charles Kammer, a religion professor at Wooster College in Ohio. Kammer says Graham and Robertson helped fuel the rise of "Christo-Americanism," a distorted form of Christianity that blends nationalism, conservative paranoia and Christian rhetoric. "A segment of the religious community in the United States has been at the forefront of an anti-Islamic crusade that has helped to generate a climate of hatred and distrust toward all Muslims," says Kammer. Other strains of Christo-Americanism have swept through America before. After 9/11, some political leaders said terrorists hated the U.S. because of "our freedoms." But America's record on granting those freedoms to its citizens is mixed, says Lynn Neal, co-editor of the book, "Religious Intolerance in America." In the 19th century, the U.S government passed numerous laws preventing Native American tribes from practicing their religion. Mormons were persecuted. Roman Catholics were once described as disloyal, sexual deviants, Neal says. "Religious intolerance is not a new feature of the American landscape. Despite being the most religiously diverse nation on earth, despite having a first amendment that protects religious rights...we as a nation and as citizens have often failed to live up to those ideas." http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/03/four-ways-911-changed-americas-attitude-toward-religion/?hpt=hp_c2
Sunday, September 4, 2011 6:31 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Quote: "Some of America's most vociferous anti-Muslim critics know quite a lot about Muslim beliefs, but they often use their knowledge to construe Islam in the worst possible light."
Sunday, September 4, 2011 6:36 AM
ANTHONYT
Freedom is Important because People are Important
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote: "Some of America's most vociferous anti-Muslim critics know quite a lot about Muslim beliefs, but they often use their knowledge to construe Islam in the worst possible light." I think the radical jihadists do a fine enough job of that on their own. " I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
Sunday, September 4, 2011 2:55 PM
MAGONSDAUGHTER
Sunday, September 4, 2011 3:16 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Sunday, September 4, 2011 4:48 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AnthonyT: The radicals of every religion are poor representatives of the whole. They foster perceptions of the religion that focus on twisted extremes of behavior based on selected passages and interpretations. --Anthony
Sunday, September 4, 2011 4:53 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Sunday, September 4, 2011 5:08 PM
DREAMTROVE
Sunday, September 4, 2011 5:15 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: "But only ONE religion's radicals blow up centuries old statues and fly planes into very tall buildings, all in the name of their god™." Yes, the mainstream xtian US chooses to 'bomb people back into the stone age' from the air by the tens and hundreds of thousands, which makes us better.
Sunday, September 4, 2011 5:21 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: "But only ONE religion's radicals blow up centuries old statues and fly planes into very tall buildings, all in the name of their god™." Yes, the mainstream xtian US chooses to 'bomb people back into the stone age' from the air by the tens and hundreds of thousands, which makes us better. No they don't. Our military isn't under any direction or influence by any one religion, and there's no intent to engage our enemy on behalf of Jesus Christ or any other fictional character. Where do you even come up w/ such nonsense ? " I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
Sunday, September 4, 2011 5:23 PM
Sunday, September 4, 2011 5:33 PM
Sunday, September 4, 2011 6:06 PM
Sunday, September 4, 2011 6:21 PM
Quote: The US is a pit of irrational religious self-righteousness coupled with greed and hate, and looking at the jihadists I see - us. Except they only killed a few thousand. We're much more efficient.
Sunday, September 4, 2011 6:35 PM
Sunday, September 4, 2011 8:21 PM
DMAANLILEILTT
Sunday, September 4, 2011 10:08 PM
PIRATENEWS
John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!
Monday, September 5, 2011 2:37 AM
Quote: 9/11 changed a lot of things about the US, or so it looks from the other side of the world. A hardening of attitudes towards other nations and religions, a tolerance of torture and imprisonment without trial or representation.
Quote:engage the U.S. in a long war of attrition The U.S. economy will finally collapse under the strain of too many engagements in too many places, making the world wide economic system which is depended by the U.S. also collapse leading to global political instability
Quote: Christianity has been on the rise for a long time
Quote: The religious in the US assume moral justification for war. If they didn't they'd have to be against it.
Monday, September 5, 2011 2:48 AM
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Monday, September 5, 2011 5:43 AM
Monday, September 5, 2011 5:45 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Niki - I'm not 'pushing buttons', in the least. I'm giving direct, honest replies, with out any hyperbole or rhetoric I see from the other side.
Monday, September 5, 2011 6:03 AM
Monday, September 5, 2011 7:33 AM
Monday, September 5, 2011 8:32 AM
MAL4PREZ
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: he's desperate to get everyone else to believe as he does, to make him feel right(er).
Monday, September 5, 2011 8:35 AM
Monday, September 5, 2011 10:19 AM
FREMDFIRMA
Monday, September 5, 2011 10:35 AM
Quote:No, he's desperate to get everyone to talk either to him or about him, to get every thread focused solely on his input. ... Remember when we managed to ignore Rappy en mass for an extended time? He started doing all he could to get the attention back, making up obvious sockpuppets and stuff. ... It was actually pretty funny, like watching a first grader slapping himself or something, trying to get his teacher's attention. ... He's not posting real opinions as much as groveling for attention. And look, he got it. The thread quickly became another long, pointless discussion of the Rappy brain, or lack thereof. And I'm sure he's at home smoking a cigarette and cleaning himself off with tissues right now. It makes for boring, repetitive threads ...
Monday, September 5, 2011 10:50 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: I admit, I like to try and pick apart 'what is wrong with Rappy' (and by extension the other 25 - 30% of people for whom facts backfire), but that's just me. I can see how it would be boring to others.
Monday, September 5, 2011 11:17 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: It's just hard, when he and Mike threadjack so many threads into their own private arguments.
Quote:Puleeeeze don't leave again, or at least not until you're totally disgusted (if possible), I miss your voice so much and we need all the sane adults we can get!
Monday, September 5, 2011 11:49 AM
Monday, September 5, 2011 5:21 PM
THEHAPPYTRADER
Monday, September 5, 2011 10:53 PM
Tuesday, September 6, 2011 9:17 AM
Quote:Originally posted by mal4prez: OK, damn, a second post... I was also entertained by it, when I thought Rappy was a real person. I doubt that now. I think he (if it is a he) might be completely fabricated. My ex, back in the early days of internet chats, used to hang out in a religious group and every once in a while post something that got them all batshit. Now, he was an atheist, but really didn't care one way or another about their debates. He just liked the feeling of power. I'm just saying, it sounds a lot like our Rappy. In fact, he might *be* my ex... yeek LOL!
Tuesday, September 6, 2011 11:09 AM
Quote:Perhaps extremsim is simply on the rise and both 9/11 and 'Christo-Americanism' are symptoms of a larger problem spanding many ideaologies.
Tuesday, September 6, 2011 8:15 PM
RIONAEIRE
Beir bua agus beannacht
Wednesday, September 7, 2011 4:13 AM
Wednesday, September 7, 2011 4:33 AM
Wednesday, September 7, 2011 4:43 AM
Quote:"Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away." -Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu, to Jonathan Pollard (convicted CIA traitor and Mossad spy in USA) upon exiting Pollard's jail cell "Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that. I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." -Israeli prime minister Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001 "By way of deception, we shall wage war." -Mossad motto "The FBI has issued a BOLO on suspected terrorists driving a white delivery van from New York City to the Mexican border. The suspects are using Israeli passports. They are armed and dangerous." -Knox County TN Emergency 911 Dispatch, Sept 11, 2001, 11am EST http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0622-05.htm "Vehicle possibly related to New York terrorist attack. White, 2000 Chevrolet van with New Jersey registration with 'Urban Moving Systems' sign on back seen at Liberty State Park, Jersey City, NJ, at the time of first impact of jetliner into World Trade Center. Three individuals with van were seen celebrating after initial impact and subsequent explosion. FBI Newark Field Office requests that, if the van is located, hold for prints and detain individuals." -FBI BOLO ("Be On Lookout"), 11 September 2001, 3:31 p.m., according to Bergen County Police Chief John Schmidig http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/01/12/WTC_Mysteries3.html http://columbus.indymedia.org/node/13067 The first terrorist bombers arrested in USA on 9/11/2001 were Israeli Mossad says Fox News. There were over 500 of them, infiltrating US military bases and all police agencies. They were dressed as Muslims, "dancing in happiness" while watching and videotaping the World Trade Center explode. Despite FBI finding residue of explosives in their van, none of the Israelis were tortured to confess at Gitmo, and all were allowed to leave USA by Israeli US DOJ prosecutor Michael Chertoff who was then promoted to director US Dept of Homeland Security. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,34250,00.html www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20065.htm http://www.real-debt-elimination.com/real_freedom/Propaganda/employer_of_the_dancing_israelis.htm 14 Israeli "art students" were living in World Trade Center Towers with forged Construction Passes, connection to Mossad spy ring infiltrating every US military base and police agency in USA, arrested and deported from USA after 9/11/2001: http://www.rense.com/general87/14_1.htm Israel police 'arrest Mossad spy on training exercise' planting car bomb http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8377746.stm "I have already said that I am not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other human beings as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. According to my information, the death toll is much higher than what the U.S. Government has stated. But the Bush Administration does not want the panic to spread. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; the people who are a part of the U.S. system, but are dissenting against it. Or those who are working for some other system; persons who want to make the present century as a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity so that their own civilization, nation, country, or ideology could survive. They can be anyone, from Russia to Israel and from India to Serbia. In the U.S. itself, there are dozens of well-organized and well-equipped groups, which are capable of causing a large-scale destruction. Then you cannot forget the American-Jews, who are annoyed with President Bush ever since the elections in Florida and want to avenge him. This system is totally in the control of the American Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States. It is clear that the American people are themselves the slaves of the Jews and are forced to live according to the principles and laws laid down by them." -Usama Bin Laden, Ummat magazine, September 28, 2001 http://www.serendipity.li/wot/obl_int.htm Usama Bin Laden's funeral: Egyptian Paper Al-Wafd, Wednesday, December 26, 2001 http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/osama_dead.html "We have a case of the Jew, a totally different species. The body of a Jewish person is of a totally different quality from the body of members of all other nations of the world. Bodies of the Gentiles are in vain. An even greater difference is in regard to the soul A non-Jewish soul comes from three satanic spheres, while the Jewish soul stems from holiness." -Rabbi Mendel Schneerson, Lubavitcher friend of George Bush Sr Israeli Law of Return only allows citizenship for jews http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Return The Life of an American Jew in Racist Marxist Israel Where Christianity Is a Felony http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/israel.htm "Fuck Obama! White Power! Fuck the niggers! Obama, who even knows if he was born in the United States? We haven't seen his birth certificate yet. I'm a jew, I'm Israel. Obama, I'm gonna teabag your ass and put it on youtube, faggot." -White jews in Israel, June 2009 video: www.tu.tv/videos/feeling-the-hate-in-jerusalem-on-eve-of http://radarsite.blogspot.com/2009/06/youth-in-israel-speak-out-about-obamas.html http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1244371044168&pagename=JPArticle/ShowFull Semite. A member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including ARABS. —Merriam Webster Dictionary "A 'Semite' is any person living in that area, including Arabs and Christians. It's time we start talking about 'The Other AntiSemitism'. A Semite is not a Jew living in America or Europe." —Ralph Nader (Arab from Lebannon), C-SPAN, 2003 "The act of terrorizing, or state of being terrorized; a mode of government by terror or intimidation." [jewish communism in communist russia] -Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)
Wednesday, September 7, 2011 4:49 AM
Quote: 9/11 -- jews did it. All jewish religions must be overthrown, including the jewish religion of communism/socialism (worship of govt = atheism).
Wednesday, September 7, 2011 5:55 AM
BYTEMITE
Wednesday, September 7, 2011 8:57 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: ...I'd like to separate my claim in regards to atheism and anti-government political ideology from AURaptor, if I may. AURaptor, no offense or nothin', but when I talk about being anti-government, it seems to be very different from how you define being anti-government. So it's best if I represent myself.
Wednesday, September 7, 2011 9:16 AM
Wednesday, September 7, 2011 1:46 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AnthonyT: Hello, I remember when the Gulf oil spill happened. I remember how Mr. Raptor was. So giddy, so excited. THIS IS THE WORST THING EVER! Counting down the moments. Is it too soon? Is it too soon? HOW COULD SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPEN?! THE WORLD WILL NEVER BE THE SAME! Not yet. Not yet. Wait for it... wait for it... GOD DAMN YOU, OBAMA! YOU HAVE BETRAYED THE AMERICAN PEOPLE! YOU ARE THE WORST PRESIDENT EVER! **************************** 9/11 didn't make Raptor. It just presented an opportunity for a flower to bloom. --Anthony
Thursday, September 8, 2011 2:35 AM
Quote:9/11 didn't make Raptor. It just presented an opportunity for a flower to bloom.
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