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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Easy enough to pass judgement on folks from the comfort of your own home, watching this on your flat screen monitor, sipping a nice beverage. Quite another to be living it, seeing the same sorts of individuals help blow up a police station, or RPG some of your own buddies, day in and day out.




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Easy enough to pass judgement on folks from the comfort of your own home, watching this on your flat screen monitor, sipping a nice beverage. Quite another to be living it, seeing the same sorts of individuals help blow up a police station, or RPG some of your own buddies, day in and day out.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I noticed that if Rappy indeed watched the video, the only thing that came to his mind was rationalization on top of justification piled on top of excuses. And that is how reality bounces off the mind of a true believer.

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Fears Indonesian Female Circumcision Guidelines Could Increase Practice

West Java. Guidelines on how to perform female genital mutilation/cutting issued by the Indonesian Ministry of Health could cause an increase in the practice, medical experts and rights groups fear.

“This will give doctors a new motivation to circumcise [girls] because now they can say the Ministry of Health approves of this, and the Indonesian Council of Ulema [MUI] approves of it,” said Jurnalis Uddin, a doctor and lecturer at Yarsi University in Jakarta.

Though FGM/C was banned in 2006, two of Indonesia’s Muslim organizations, including the largest and mostly moderate, Nahdlatul Ulama, ultimately condone the practice advising “not to cut too much,” and, as a result, many continue to perform the procedure.

By directing health professionals not to cut a girl’s genitals but to “scrape the skin covering the clitoris, without injuring the clitoris”, the Ministry of Health stands by the regulations, passed in June, as a medically safe form of FGM/C representing an effort to further regulate the illegal practice and protect women.

But recent uproar has questioned this reasoning. Others are concerned the guidelines could well be misinterpreted as an endorsement of the procedure, combined with an enticement for doctors to encourage the practice, Uddin said.

“I think that doctors will use these guidelines to make money from circumcision,” Uddin said, adding that Indonesia’s poorly regulated medical practitioners often viewed medicine as a business.

FGM/C is typically done at birth, or before a girl is five years old and in the past was often performed by local healers, called dukun, or by birth attendants. Traditionally, FGM/C was mostly “symbolic” with a small cut on the clitoris, or rubbing the clitoris with tumeric root, making it less invasive than other types of FGM/C.

However, Uddin, who conducted an Indonesia-wide survey of FGM/C practices in 2009, said he had found that when medical practitioners performed the procedure, there was a trend toward more extensive cutting of the clitoris.

http://infidelsarecool.com/2011/09/indonesia-islamist-health-ministry-
introduces-guidelines-for-female-genital-mutilation/?utm_source=co2hog&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+InfidelsAreCool+%28Infidels+Are+Cool%29

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Originally posted by Niki2:

Yeah, I saw that one. Was ages ago, and ALL over the news at the time. I agree; barbaric is precisely the word.

I see yet again Raptor has managed to push buttons, and will probably turn this into a back-and-forth with his absurd statements. Damn, he's good! Of course, we all know he wants to turn US into THEM out of his fear of the "other", but please, do argue on with him, it'll at least enhance your typing skills...or something.

While the circumcision is also something we all know (or should know) about by now, it has nothing to do with America's barbaric killing of innocents. But it might serve your purpose and divert the thread, so go for it, by all means.

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Originally posted by Niki2:
I have to admit, selfishly, I don't miss Gino. His rabid hatred of America and Americans saddened me greatly; his comment that the base should be hit with car bombs in retaliation of what the soldiers did made me shudder. Still does.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"... and wondered why it was brought up again ..."

Oh, b/c I don't always keep up with this site and I just ran across it elsewhere in a story about Manning. No ulterior motive, merely a case of circumstance.

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we ARE better than the islamic jihadists

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we ARE better than the islamic jihadists

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Yep! We're a LOT better at killing people. And a whole lot smoother at justifying it. Just look at yourself!

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Niki, I always thought you grossly misunderstood Gino's point(s). His basic premise was that since WE (the U.S.) seem to think that it's our sovereign duty to bomb other cultures out of existence for the threat they present to the world as we see it, then by the same extension of logic, as far as he can see, WE should be bombed out of existence for the threat we present to the rest of the world.

Similarly, if our response to 9/11 was to bomb Afghanistan and its people for the actions of a few, then a logical response to Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, and other atrocities would be to bomb the entire U.S. and its people.

It's not a hard concept to understand, really. It was a lesson in absurdity, pointing out what the world would be like if the U.S. were treated the way it treats other countries.

I never could understand why nobody else seemed able to fathom that.

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But if you mean by body count ?

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But if you mean by body count ?

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Well, if I were to compare body counts, the USA has killed roughly 50 million people since WWII. I went thru those figures detailed by detail with Geezer, including about 2 million in Vietnam alone. And the jihadists? I dunno. 50,000 if you're being generous.

This is like the time you kept insisting that Bush lowering taxes raised revenues, despite the fact that I quoted the CBO's tables of revenues all the way back from 1945.

You and facts? Everybody knows your allergic to them! So why should anyone pay attention to you? You're like a flat-Earther. You have nothing of value to add to the conversation.

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Well, if I were to compare body counts, the USA has killed roughly 50 million people since WWII. I went thru those figures detailed by detail with Geezer, including about 2 million in Vietnam alone.

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Originally posted by Niki2:
If each of us individually wasn't willing to die by trying to assassinate Bush, then each and every one of us deserved to die. That was Gino's solid position. It really WAS that simple, and that was what was so ghastly about it.

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Maybe there's another way to say it that doesn't feel like you will need a lot of convincing, like sources.

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Yeah, that's a fair comparison. 60+ years 7 involving a major world war vs what...20 years?

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Did I miss a major world war somewhere along the way?

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Originally posted by SignyM:
But you're right, the accurate way of saying it is that with American participation, support (intel, guns etc.) and training (US AID) our dictators around the world have managed to kill tens of millions of people.

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